Who is really closest to the Nazis?

[starbuck_archer]

We've all heard it before: Republicans/Trump Supporters/Anyone not buying the woke agenda must be a NAZI!!!  George Orwell, comment in the late 1940s/early 1950s, even mused that less than 10 years after the war was over, any "undesirable" political ideology was being labeled as "Nazis!".

I present to you a game of "Who said it?  Bernie Sanders, or Joseph Goebbels":

-"The money pigs of capitalist democracy….Money has made slaves of us…Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.”

-"Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist."

-"We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists."

-"The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland... The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. "

-"We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality."

Need I go on?  Apparently, I do:

-Which side is against the Jews (Ilhan Omar).

-Which side is promoting white identitarianism and the idea that one race owes another something?

-Which side is promoting the segregation of the races (Prop 16)

Sorry lefties, you are the actual Nazis, not us.

[mystery-ak]

Interesting first post....Welcome to TBR

[starbuck_archer]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

[starbuck_archer]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

[Hoodat]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

@starbuck_archer

You are correct, sir.  And welcome to TBR.

[LMAO]

Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

[Hoodat]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

They would have met the same fate as Anastasia, Tatiana, Olga, and Alexei.

[dfwgator]

I should also note that Goebbels was arguably Hitler's most ardent supporter: Not Goring, Himmler, Borman nor Donitz were willing to make a "last stand" with Hitler in Berlin in 1945.  As Hitler's propaganda minister, I seriously doubt that more than a tiny amount of propaganda was broadcast to the German people without Hitler's at least tacit consent.  Only Goebbels committed suicide with Hitler, and killed his own family out of loyalty to Hitler.

I highly recommend everyone watch "The Goebbels Experiment" narrated by Kenneth Branagh, who reads excerpts from Goebbels' diaries.

[dfwgator]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

I cannot even watch that scene in "Downfall".

[dfwgator]

I suspect Mr and Mts Goebbels killed their children not out of loyalty to Hitler but as more of an act , in their view, of mercy

Imagine the mistreatment his children would have experienced in a Soviet orphanage

Conceivably they could have evacuated to the West, they would have been safe in American or British hands.

[sneakypete]

The prime pre-1940 allies,the communist and other totalitarian governments. Fascism is noting more than communism with money and the USSR and Nazi Germany were the bestest buddies that even had a mutual defense treaty vowing to come to the aid of each other if either were invaded,right up to the instant that Hitler invaded the USSR,and suddenly,overnight,Fascism became evil.

Go figure.

[sneakypete]

I highly recommend everyone watch "The Goebbels Experiment" narrated by Kenneth Branagh, who reads excerpts from Goebbels' diaries.

@dfwgator

I would be happy to do so if I knew who was broadcasting it.

[sneakypete]

Conceivably they could have evacuated to the West, they would have been safe in American or British hands.

@dfwgator

I agree,but we are not looking at it from the 1945 POV of the Goebbels family. We have the luxury of time and history to base our judgements on.

[Hoodat]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

[sneakypete]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

@Hoodat

I don't know who told you that HorseHillary,but they were full of Bubba. Stalin used mostly non-Russian (speaking ethnically) troops from the far east as his assault troops because they were considered to be "less civilized" than the ethnic Russians,but MY theory is that the major reason was there was nobody in Russia more pissed off at white people than them,and they would be happy to brutalize a bunch of white people instead of being brutalized by a bunch of white people.

He also used "NKVD Blocking Squads" behind the assault troops that were armed with 30 caliber machine guns to shoot any Soviet soldier who tried to retreat. This was a great encouragement to them to do their best to seize an objective as quickly as possible.

[skeeter]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?

[sneakypete]

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?


@skeeter

The DNC.

[skeeter]

In spite of what Wikipedia (having changed the definition of fascism on their site to suit their own political bent) says the literal definition of fascist is an authoritarian partnership between government and big business to set national policy. Which side of the ideological continuum most closely resembles that definition?


@skeeter

The DNC.

[roamer_1]

It is an interesting first post. However, I academically propose that we have all been lied to: The Nazis were not a "right wing regime"  but rather a left-wing regime that saw itself in competition with Marxist-Leninist Communism, not as an enemy.

As Anthony Read says in The Devil's Disciples: Hiltler's Inner Circle:

Goebbels saw the ultimate enemy as international capitalism, and those who held power in Germany as its lackey, betraying their nation for personal gain. These were the traditional targets of the Communists, of course, so the Nazis and the KPD, the Communist Party of Germany, were in direct competition for the same constituency, two rabid dogs fighting for one bone… And Goebbels, who has so recently been happy to describe himself as a ‘German Communist’ led the fight with all the intensity of a religious convert.

We should stop letting the left equate us to the Nazis when in fact it is them who are the Nazis, by all logic and when one really looks at the ideology.

FACTS. And it should not be forgotten that it was the Nationalist socialist populist home boy that wound up buffaloing the people into sacrificing their principles and moral compass... 

Winning

[skeeter]

FACTS. And it should not be forgotten that it was the Nationalist socialist populist home boy that wound up buffaloing the people into sacrificing their principles and moral compass... 

Winning

I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.

Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.

[roamer_1]

I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.

Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.

Dig into the Lutheran Church over there unabridged, and understand what they acquiesced to.He got this close to becoming a caesar. 'Kaiser' is the same dang thing from a political angle, but without the worshiping,  which is defintely where he was headed. The occult powers exuding from that lot were tremendous. And the official state church caved to much of it... To include rousing the old Teutonic gods.

[skeeter]

Dig into the Lutheran Church over there unabridged, and understand what they acquiesced to.He got this close to becoming a caesar. 'Kaiser' is the same dang thing from a political angle, but without the worshiping,  which is defintely where he was headed. The occult powers exuding from that lot were tremendous. And the official state church caved to much of it... To include rousing the old Teutonic gods.

Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?

[roamer_1]

Reading Toland’s AH biography now. Got any specific reading to recommend?

long ago and far, far away. Look deep into Wewelsburg Castle. Himmler. That was the center of it. no doubt if you can keep your teeth from curling, you can go from there into the political superstructure imposing it upon religion.

And while you are at it, don't think it's just the Germans. You might look at Jekyll Island over here too. Occult has been in the halls of power all the way along. Christians have just bought into science and reason enough that such things are wholly ignored.

Alister Crowley and Jack Parsons (yeah, that guy) and the Babylon Working... Claimed to have opened a portal for the gods that they could not close. That's a little place called Area 51 these days. Go figger.

[LegalAmerican]

We've all heard it before: Republicans/Trump Supporters/Anyone not buying the woke agenda must be a NAZI!!!  George Orwell, comment in the late 1940s/early 1950s, even mused that less than 10 years after the war was over, any "undesirable" political ideology was being labeled as "Nazis!".

I present to you a game of "Who said it?  Bernie Sanders, or Joseph Goebbels":

-"The money pigs of capitalist democracy….Money has made slaves of us…Money is the curse of mankind. It smothers the seed of everything great and good. Every penny is sticky with sweat and blood.”

-"Communism. Jewry. I am a German Communist."

-"We are not a charitable institution but a Party of revolutionary socialists."

-"The people's community must not be a mere phrase, but a revolutionary achievement following from the radical carrying out of the basic life needs of the working class. A ruthless battle against corruption! A war against exploitation, freedom for the workers! The elimination of all economic-capitalist influences on national policy. Maintaining a rotten economic system has nothing to do with nationalism, which is an affirmation of the Fatherland... The sin of liberal thinking was to overlook socialism’s nation-building strengths, thereby allowing its energies to go in anti-national directions. "

-"We are socialists because we see the social question as a matter of necessity and justice for the very existence of a state for our people, not a question of cheap pity or insulting sentimentality."

Need I go on?  Apparently, I do:

-Which side is against the Jews (Ilhan Omar).

-Which side is promoting white identitarianism and the idea that one race owes another something?

-Which side is promoting the segregation of the races (Prop 16)

Sorry lefties, you are the actual Nazis, not us.

 

Bernie is JEWISH , so he didn't say one line on here.  lol

[LegalAmerican]

Goebbels was the one who issued the order that no German civilians could leave Berlin as Russian troops were about to push their way in.  His propaganda about the Russians became a self-fulfilling prophesy.  His caricature of the Russian soldier as a savage rapist actually came to pass, but only as a response to German savagery.

  Hitler was Austrian. Hessians were German who fought for George Washington, to create our country.

 About 1933, The GERMANS were being starved to death.  Guess by whom?

  Hitler created the AUTOBAHN. He created the VOLKSWAGEN, he supported women. Muslim Iman, supported Hilter, and when Hitler just wanted to deport Jewish people, Muslim, said.."NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Hitler asked. " what then?"  MUSLIM SAID.."BURN THEM."  As told by PM, BEN, IN ISRAEL.

German people had to join military or be shot to death...right then and there. What would you do? 

My dad was in an AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND HE WAS STARVING....he ate some beets grown for cattle, not human consumption to survive. Reaching into the field, they were next to. Not treated well. He and the others took American POW,  as they figured they had a better chance of survival, than going with Russias and sent to SIBERIA.  GUARANTEED DEATH.   He only talked about it to me, at age 88.  He didn't like the memory. German savagery?