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BREAKING: Now that FBI's confirmed the Capitol riots were planned many days prior to President Trump's Jan. 6 speech, Dem impeachers are now moving the goalposts for proving Trump incited the violence from his 1/6 speech to remarks he made weeks earlier re election being "stolen"

6:13 PM · Jan 13, 2021·Twitter Web App

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Give it up RIV, Jazz has made a career here at TBR of ignoring evidence, and regurgitating and spewing MSM lies.  That's never going to change.
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Why are you defending these people?

I'm defending the truth.

Something that ought to matter too you.

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Can't say the name, huh?

Fail.

She did not do any damage.  ANTIFA/BLM did.  All she did was peer through a broken window.  Why is jazzy...fiction writing? 

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My goodness, @Right_in_Virginia , seven pings!    Does this mean you seek to have a dialogue with me, or is a barrage of pings just a precurser to a barrage of your usual insults? 

I saw the report about this guy on Fox last night.   Sounds like a true scoundrel.   Let's see what the FBI concludes about him and any of his sick Delta buddies.   

I have always had three basic questions about recent events, each of which I've expressed on this board:

1.  Why did Trump persist after the states certified their electors? [/b]

I never had an objection  to Trump's challenging of state election results,  but I always assumed he would concede once the legal process for certifying the electors was over.    Why did he insist on urging Mike Pence and others to use extra-Constitutional means to deny the will of the people,  and summon his followers to D.C. on January 6 to rally for the express purpose of pressuring members of Congress and the Vice President to do so?   This was an unprecedented affront to the American tradition of respect for the citizenry and the peaceful transition of power.    It was unseemly at best,  an incitement to rebellion at worst.   

2.     Why did this rally turn into a mob that physically assaulted the Capitol? [/b]   

Most all previous Trump rallies have been boisterous but peaceful - why did this one become a violent insurrection?     Who or what incited this mob?    This antifa clown may be part of the answer on a micro level,  but there was a crap ton of people who broke into the Capitol after hearing Guiliani and the Trumps fire them up,  so unlike the House it may be wise to not make a rush to judgment.

All I know at this point is that D.C. is in unprecedented lockdown for the inauguration.   What does law enforcement know about bad actors that we don't? 

3.     Why did Trump wait a full week before clearly denouncing the violence? [/b]

This strikes me as a colossal failure of leadership on the part of the President,  if we follow your narrative that none of this was expected by the President to be the rotten fruit of his exhortations.    I think that if he had said what he said in the immediate aftermath,  or especially as the riot was occurring,  that he would have survived impeachment.   As it is,  his unwillingness to try to control the situation likely fueled the credibility of Dem charges that he was a clear and present danger. 

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My goodness, @Right_in_Virginia , seven pings!    Does this mean you seek to have a dialogue with me, or is a barrage of pings just a precurser to a barrage of your usual insults? 

I saw the report about this guy on Fox last night.   Sounds like a true scoundrel.   Let's see what the FBI concludes about him and any of his sick Delta buddies.   

I have always had three basic questions about recent events, each of which I've expressed on this board:

1.  Why did Trump persist after the states certified their electors? [/b]

I never had an objection  to Trump's challenging of state election results,  but I always assumed he would concede once the legal process for certifying the electors was over.    Why did he insist on urging Mike Pence and others to use extra-Constitutional means to deny the will of the people,  and summon his followers to D.C. on January 6 to rally for the express purpose of pressuring members of Congress and the Vice President to do so?   This was an unprecedented affront to the American tradition of respect for the citizenry and the peaceful transition of power.    It was unseemly at best,  an incitement to rebellion at worst.   
Even a number of the states had legislators object to the elector slates that were 'certified' by state authorities. Trump was correct in questioning the validity of several certifications.  Since the courts refused to look into it, it was Congress's place to view the evidence.

Anyone who says the fraud claims were baseless are liars.

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2.     Why did this rally turn into a mob that physically assaulted the Capitol? [/b]   

Most all previous Trump rallies have been boisterous but peaceful - why did this one become a violent insurrection?     Who or what incited this mob?    This antifa clown may be part of the answer on a micro level,  but there were thousands who broke into the Capitol after hearing Guiliani and the Trumps fire them up,  so unlike the House it may be wise to not make a rush to judgment.

All I know at this point is that D.C. is in unprecedented lockdown for the inauguration.   What does law enforcement know about bad actors that we don't? 
You conveniently forgot the dozens and dozens of other 'assaults' on other governmental institutions, edifices and personnel over the past year.

And the perpetuators of that other violence were present at this one too after Sullivan was arrested.  That was not a coincidence was it?

Thousands broke into the Capitol?  Do you have evidence of that claim,  because it sounds like hyperventilation as you are prone to do?
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3.     Why did Trump wait a full week before clearly denouncing the violence? [/b]

This strikes me as a colossal failure of leadership on the part of the President,  if we follow your narrative that none of this was expected by the President to be the rotten fruit of his exhortations.    I think that if he had said what he said in the immediate aftermath,  or especially as the riot was occurring,  that he would have survived impeachment.   As it is,  his unwillingness to try to control the situation likely fueled the credibility of Dem charges that he was a clear and present danger.
A week? Just one more lie after another in your repertoire, eh?
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Thousands broke into the Capitol?
Okay, dozens, but let's not get all factual or anything.  *****rollingeyes*****
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Okay, dozens, but let's not get all factual or anything.  *****rollingeyes*****

We all saw the same pictures.     Thousands?  Hundreds?  Dozens?    Let's just say it was a crap ton of people.   Since I strive to be accurate I will edit my post.
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We all saw the same pictures.     Thousands?  Hundreds?  Dozens?    Let's just say it was a crap ton of people.   Since I strive to be accurate I will edit my post.

Yeah, that'll happen.

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1.   Why did Trump persist after the states certified their electors?

Because by doing so, these States were certifying a violation of their own State laws as well as the Constitution of the United States of America.


2.     Why did this rally turn into a mob that physically assaulted the Capitol?    

Considering that the assault at the Capitol began before the rally ended, it is incorrect to say that the rally turned into a mob.  But if you want to know why people are pissed off, it is because the election results being delivered to the people do not represent a fair and legal representation of the voters.  They believe (with very strong evidence to support it) that the election was stolen.  And they do so with the absolute certainty that State law was not followed in at least half a dozen states.


3.     Why did Trump wait a full week before clearly denouncing the violence?

Not sure where you've been for the last four years, but Trump has been denouncing violence through his entire Presidency.  Even in his rally speech, he called for a peaceful protest, which you would know if you actually read the text.

So I ask yet again, what is the exact wording of Trump's speech that you consider 'seditious'?
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So I ask yet again, what is the exact wording of Trump's speech that you consider 'seditious'?

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!   :beer: :beer: :beer:   

You are the 99th Briefer commenting and stating that Jazz will not answer that simple question.  There is no cure for his mouth frothing Orange Hate.
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My goodness, @Right_in_Virginia , seven pings!    Does this mean you seek to have a dialogue with me,...

Well, @Jazzhead  I read this thread first: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,425689.0.html  and had to wear hip boots to wade through your bullshit.

I think you're a liberal attention whore adding very little to the quality of conversation on this Forum.  So, no, I do not seek to have a dialogue with you. 

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We all saw the same pictures.     Thousands?  Hundreds?  Dozens?    Let's just say it was a crap ton of people.   Since I strive to be accurate I will edit my post.
I'm originally from a small town. As in well under 1000 people. I have seen more people show up for a church dinner than there were actually inside the building, and only a fraction of those were breaking things. So few, I'd guess that most were ANTIFA/BLM plants. Which would be about right, considering there were accounts of five shuttle buses showing up full of ANTIFA/BLM folks in blacbloc under their Trump swag.  Especially seeing video of them being let into the building, and led up the stairs. It's nice to have a guide in a labyrinth.

Funny thing about people, they will see what they want to.  In the wide shots, there are a couple of people breaking stuff. But zoom in and it looks like everyone was. Sure, it is likely some Trump supporters got caught up in the 'fervor' the agitators generated, but the agitators are professionals, they've likely had practice in the streets of a major city last summer, and emotions were running high. They got 'played'.  It pays to remember the rules your momma taught you, but sometimes people forget. Considering there were estimated to be 300K people there (likely multiples of that), storming the joint for real would have it pretty well a stripped and smoldering ruin, but these are conservative and they just don't know how to loot, pillage, and burn like Leftists. Either that, or there was no intent to have that general effect. A few agents provocateur could make it look effective for select cameras run by, say, people deeply involved with BLM, for instance.  Who shot Ashli Babbit, anyway?

Beyond that nonsense, though, I still failed to hear what Trump said that was seditious, and I failed to hear where he espoused violence or destruction of property, especially that property belonging to us all.

So maybe you could point that specific language out to me.
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Arrested for Capitol riot:

• BLM rioter John Sullivan (supported Antifa and called for "revolution") — agitated, part of action that led to Ashli Babbitt’s killing
• Registered Democrat Aaron Mostofsky (Son of Democrat Brooklyn Supreme Court Judge) — Stole Fed. property

 


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And.... to justify the massive censorship of Trump and anyone on the right that dares utter the (gasp) truth about what the radical left is doing and the tactics they are using (cheating, lying, treasonous, seditious, etc.).
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Well, @Jazzhead  I read this thread first: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,425689.0.html  and had to wear hip boots to wade through your bullshit.

I think you're a liberal attention whore adding very little to the quality of conversation on this Forum.  So, no, I do not seek to have a dialogue with you.

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And.... to justify the massive censorship of Trump and anyone on the right that dares utter the (gasp) truth about what the radical left is doing and the tactics they are using (cheating, lying, treasonous, seditious, etc.).


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And.... to justify the massive censorship of Trump and anyone on the right that dares utter the (gasp) truth about what the radical left is doing and the tactics they are using (cheating, lying, treasonous, seditious, etc.).
That, in essence, is the entire purpose of a false flag operation--and this was one.
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Spring man faces federal charges in Capitol riot

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/crime/article/filler-15874297.php

Federal authorities on Friday arrested a Spring man who allegedly participated in the Jan. 6 attack at the U.S. Capitol, making him the first in the Houston area to be charged in the deadly insurrection.

Joshua Lollar, 39, faces three criminal charges after the FBI combed through his Facebook page and found a myriad of now-deleted posts detailing involvement in the riot, according to court documents. He is one of at least 100 people who have been arrested and 47 charged in federal court over the event, numbers that are expected to grow as FBI authorities said they were "aggressively" seeking out people in the violent mob.


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6 hour event, and the FBI arrests 100 in 10 days.  Did the FBI even arrest 100 BLM/Antifa terrorist all summer?

Sure can get a sense of priorities, can't we?
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6 hour event, and the FBI arrests 100 in 10 days.  Did the FBI even arrest 100 BLM/Antifa terrorist all summer?

Sure can get a sense of priorities, can't we?
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Business Insider Jan 7, 2021

https://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-arrests-capitol-riot-compared-blm-protests-chart-2021-1
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A tabulation from Insider shows that officers in DC arrested 194 people during a protest in the immediate aftermath of Floyd's death. They also arrested 234 people protesting the inauguration of President Donald Trump in January 2017.

Elsewhere, protests in Minneapolis after Floyd's death resulted in 570 arrests and protests in Ferguson, Missouri, following the police killing of Michael Brown, another Black man, resulted in at least 400 arrests.

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How many of those were bailed out by left wing Hollywood?

Like they're gunna report that in the press. :shrug:

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6 hour event, and the FBI arrests 100 in 10 days.  Did the FBI even arrest 100 BLM/Antifa terrorist all summer?

Sure can get a sense of priorities, can't we?

Put that in perspective.   100 arrests made for ONE event that lasted maybe an hour....compared to the dozens (ongoing) of events over the past year or so....that went on and on and on... and where the leftists installed a literal revolving door of ""justice"" that bailed out the perps to allow them back on the streets for more rioting, burning, looting and mayhem.   

Priorities?   Their only priority is to seize power and keep it... by swaying public opinion in their direction and by threats of violence if they don't get their way.
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