Watch: Trump Supporters Clash with Police, Attempt to Breach U.S. Capitol Building

[mountaineer]

the woman shot was definitely a Trump supporter... and follower of Q-anon.

Oh, well, then. Let's kill people for their beliefs.

[Hoodat]

And that's just the point.   Since he is black, his name will probably never be released.  Haven't you noticed how these idiots on the left are always protected.... especially those of color....?

I disagree.  It is not the makeup of the assailant that counts.  It is the makeup of the victim.  And in this case, the victim was a Conservative.  If the shooter had been white and the victim a black woman in a wheel chair, there would be zero difference.  Because she is a Conservative.

[mountaineer]

"Trump supporters ..."

Andy Ngô  @MrAndyNgo
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One of the men who was part of the siege of the Capitol building is John Earle Sullivan, an extreme BLM activist from Utah. He was arrested & charged in July 2020 over a BLM-antifa riot where drivers in Provo were threatened & one was shot. https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/7/10/21320220/organizer-of-provo-protest-arrested-accused-of-rioting-making-threats

6:07 PM · Jan 7, 2021·

[Stevensr123]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/7/capitol-police-officer-dies-one-day-after-siege-re/


  murdering scum

[skeeter]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/7/capitol-police-officer-dies-one-day-after-siege-re/


  murdering scum

Who, Antifa? I agree entirely. But I’ll wait for more details before believing this because, you know, CNN.

[Wingnut]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jan/7/capitol-police-officer-dies-one-day-after-siege-re/


  murdering scum

Fake news.

Not dead..yet.  CNN lies.

[Jazzhead]

That's fair but I don't think it's what @Jazzhead actually argued.  Furthermore it assumes the "protesters" are trying to "get the cop."  I've seen no evidence that the cop yesterday was any kind of distinct target of the crowd gathered at the Capitol.

I'm pretty sure we all agree that LE can use deadly force to protect themselves when in grave danger.  The question is whether they can use deadly force to repel trespassers onto public property when they are not in grave danger.

Some might argue that grave danger could have been inferred by the Capitol Hill Police yesterday, hence justifying the shooting.  However I've seen no reports of injuries to LE from yesterday's events; there is simply no evidence that any police officer was actually in grave danger yesterday, and more specifically no reports that the woman who was killed posed, or even seemed to pose, grave danger to anyone.

Care to reflect further, @HoustonSam,  based on new information?   Turns out that a Capital Police officer died from injuries sustained from the mob.   Struck over the head,  it appears.    There is nothing more wrenching to me than a police officer who leaves his family one fine sunny morning and never returns.    We are so flippin' spoiled rotten in this nation.   We vent our feelings on the internet, we stamp and whine, we fly our flags, we smash our windows in our federal buildings (and claim patriotism as our motive).

 And now a good cop is dead as a result.   

[Jazzhead]

And that's just the point.   Since he is black, his name will probably never be released.  Haven't you noticed how these idiots on the left are always protected.... especially those of color....?

This post is despicable.   Those who wear the badge deserve some respect.   They bear more burden in a day than you've borne in your shallow, blinkered lifetime.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Care to reflect further, @HoustonSam,  based on new information?   Turns out that a Capital Police officer died from injuries sustained from the mob.   Struck over the head,  it appears.    There is nothing more wrenching to me than a police officer who leaves his family one fine sunny morning and never returns.    We are so flippin' spoiled rotten in this nation.   We vent our feelings on the internet, we stamp and whine, we fly our flags, we smash our windows in our federal buildings (and claim patriotism as our motive).

 And now a good cop is dead as a result.   

That certainly pins the crime on one Donald Trump, doesn't it.   

(I know, I know...once you get a narrative stuck in your head, it won't let go.  Like  a teenager with a Spice Girls earworm.)

[HoustonSam]

Care to reflect further, @HoustonSam,  based on new information?   Turns out that a Capital Police officer died from injuries sustained from the mob.   Struck over the head,  it appears.    There is nothing more wrenching to me than a police officer who leaves his family one fine sunny morning and never returns.    We are so flippin' spoiled rotten in this nation.   We vent our feelings on the internet, we stamp and whine, we fly our flags, we smash our windows in our federal buildings (and claim patriotism as our motive).   And now a good cop is dead as a result.   

Your point is fair @Jazzhead, there is more recent news indicating injuries and, at least potentially, the death of a LEO.  I actually appreciate you bringing that up with a ping to me, so that I can acknowledge honestly the more recent reports.

However I will again point out that no evidence indicates that Ashli Babbitt - the woman who was killed - posed any grave danger to anyone, certainly not to the LEO who pulled the trigger.

So now I'll turn it back to you - care to go on the record without ambiguity or dodge?  Do you argue that LEOs are within their legitimate authority to shoot dead trespassers onto Federal property who are *not* posing any grave danger to anyone?

[Cyber Liberty]

So now I'll turn it back to you - care to go on the record without ambiguity or dodge?  Do you argue that LEOs are within their legitimate authority to shoot dead trespassers onto Federal property who are *not* posing any grave danger to anyone?

 

(I have a bet riding on this.)

[FeelNoPain]

That certainly pins the crime on one Donald Trump, doesn't it.   

(I know, I know...once you get a narrative stuck in your head, it won't let go.  Like  a teenager with a Spice Girls earworm.)

No, it definitely does not.
POTUS has condemned that corrosive rabble, that demonstrative detritus that defiled our great Capitol Building.

POTUS used some of his best words in doing so.

[Jazzhead]

Your point is fair @Jazzhead, there is more recent news indicating injuries and, at least potentially, the death of a LEO.  I actually appreciate you bringing that up with a ping to me, so that I can acknowledge honestly the more recent reports.

However I will again point out that no evidence indicates that Ashli Babbitt - the woman who was killed - posed any grave danger to anyone, certainly not to the LEO who pulled the trigger.

So now I'll turn it back to you - care to go on the record without ambiguity or dodge?  Do you argue that LEOs are within their legitimate authority to shoot dead trespassers onto Federal property who are *not* posing any grave danger to anyone?

No,  LEOs are not within their legitimate authority to shoot dead an individual who poses no threat.  But I do not expect LEOs to possess clairvoyance, as a mob of unrulys with backpacks and who knows what else break through a glass door despite entreaties to stand back, within yards of United States Congressmen attempting to perform their Constitutional duties.   This mob action was a moment that will be frozen in time as an abomination and affront to the Republic.   I am sorry this young woman died.   I am also sorry that this LEO has been pre-judged a murderer while attempting to deal with this idiocy in real time.

@HoustonSam     

[christian]

After 6 months of totally acceptable rioting,lawlessness,anarchy, leftist here are instantly aghast and befuddled are real actual demonstrating/rioting being so wrong they want to have fainting spells?  They must be trying to impress easily manipulated fools again.  The hate speech of leftist and democrats trying to milk this invented crisis yesterday,leaves me more concerned that ever, those trying to tear this nation apart are extremely active and the strings are being pulled globally.  Yet, of course fools will be blindly lead astray.  After co-vid 19 being exposed more and more as a political psy-op.,its become more and more obvious this event yesterday was they next level of psy-op they intend for a global one world government.

[Hoodat]

No,  LEOs are not within their legitimate authority to shoot dead an individual who poses no threat.

Glad to have that finally settled.

But I do not expect LEOs to possess clairvoyance, as a mob of unrulys with backpacks and who knows what else break through a glass door

The woman wasn't wearing a backpack, and she didn't break through a glass door.

despite entreaties to stand back

The shooter was off to the side and was in no position to tell her to stand back.  Had he stood in front of her with a handgun pointed at her head, she never would have tried to advance.  Furthermore, the police officers on her side of the door also did not tell the people to stay back, nor did they warn them that there was some lunatic with a gun hiding around the corner itching to shoot someone.

within yards of United States Congressmen attempting to perform their Constitutional duties.

  How many yards are we talking here?  Ten?  Twenty?  Fifty?  Exactly how far away were these Congressmen?

This mob action was a moment that will be frozen in time as an abomination and affront to the Republic.

Hardly.  The abomination and affront to the Republic is that several States chose to violate the US Constitution, and thus subverting the will of the people.

I am sorry this young woman died.

Earlier, you said you had no sympathy for her.  What changed?

[HoustonSam]

No,  LEOs are not within their legitimate authority to shoot dead an individual who poses no threat.  But I do not expect LEOs to possess clairvoyance, as a mob of unrulys with backpacks and who knows what else break through a glass door despite entreaties to stand back, within yards of United States Congressmen attempting to perform their Constitutional duties.   This mob action was a moment that will be frozen in time as an abomination and affront to the Republic.   I am sorry this young woman died.   I am also sorry that this LEO has been pre-judged a murderer while attempting to deal with this idiocy in real time.

@HoustonSam   

Thank you @Jazzhead.

[christian]

People have identified mr flag face buffalo-viking head as Pelosi's son.  Antifi, but of course not a democrat !

[jafo2010]

The death of the woman was a clear case of murder.  The video shows that clearly.  The man that discharged his weapon was behind a locked door.  And what is clearly evident, she had 2 or 3 police officers standing directly behind her.  This LOE was not alone by any means.  He should have seen the other officers on the other side of the glass.  His discharging his weapon could have resulted in one of them being hit if the shot went through her to travel to hit one of them.

The man that discharged his weapon should be brought up on charges, and at a minimum be forced out of his position.  I don't care what color he is. 

And I have heard it repeatedly said today that there were quite a few folks via facial recognition identified as Antifa in the crowd with the most extreme violent behavior.   It was an unfortunate day, but there is a lot of blame to go around, starting with the fact the Capitol was grossly undermanned on a day with 300,000 massing to demonstrate against a fraudulent election.  As is appropriate, the people in key positions are resigning.  Had they done their jobs properly, no one would have died, no one would have gained entrance to the Capitol.  After 12/7 and 9/11, there should be no surprises for government facilities.

[mountaineer]

Capitol police reporting one of their officers died after engaging with the crowd yesterday, but it's not clear what happened. It almost sounds like a heart attack.

[Sighlass]

Find myself on the rare side of agreeing with Jazzhead on this one.... this was an shameful event.

My only drawback to this event is why the feds only shoot conservatives? There was hundreds of times lethal force should of been used to stop marxist mobs destroying federal buildings and tearing down statues. Just because the tide turned, suddenly it is ok to prevent anarchy.

[Smokin Joe]

Care to reflect further, @HoustonSam,  based on new information?   Turns out that a Capital Police officer died from injuries sustained from the mob.   Struck over the head,  it appears.    There is nothing more wrenching to me than a police officer who leaves his family one fine sunny morning and never returns.    We are so flippin' spoiled rotten in this nation.   We vent our feelings on the internet, we stamp and whine, we fly our flags, we smash our windows in our federal buildings (and claim patriotism as our motive).

 And now a good cop is dead as a result.   

The police officer did not die. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-capitol-police-officer-died-injuries-suffered-capitol-protest-chief-resigns/ 

UPDATE… MEDIA LIES… Capitol Police Officer NOT DEAD… Had Medical Emergency During Protest, Chief Resigns
The officer is currently hospitalized in critical condition from a “medical emergency.” It is not confirmed that he was struck with a fire extinguisher, or if the medical emergency was even related to the protest.

Obviously, police were not the target. No firebombs, no bricks, no frozen water bottles, none skewered on flagpoles, and crowds intermingled with police not attacking them (and taking their weapons, which would have been an option had the police been the target, or violence against individual officers the intent. Not even the cop who shot Ashli Babbit was injured by the crowd (partly, I am sure because he was on the other side of barricaded doors, probably in soggy depends).


@mountaineer

[catfish1957]

. Not even the cop who shot Ashli Babbit was injured by the crowd (partly, I am sure because he was on the other side of barricaded doors, probably in soggy depends).

Almost 36 hours since, and this cop has still not been identified.  This is an outrage.

[Smokin Joe]

Find myself on the rare side of agreeing with Jazzhead on this one.... this was an shameful event.

My only drawback to this event is why the feds only shoot conservatives? There was hundreds of times lethal force should of been used to stop marxist mobs destroying federal buildings and tearing down statues. Just because the tide turned, suddenly it is ok to prevent anarchy.

The protest should have stopped on the Capitol Steps, as many have. There is a bunch of talk around the web about ANTIFAs being bused in and infiltrating the protest for the purpose of inciting or carrying out false flag violence. From some of the video I have seen, the tactics and dress look like what was unleashed on cities across the country this last year.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Find myself on the rare side of agreeing with Jazzhead on this one.... this was an shameful event.

My only drawback to this event is why the feds only shoot conservatives? There was hundreds of times lethal force should of been used to stop marxist mobs destroying federal buildings and tearing down statues. Just because the tide turned, suddenly it is ok to prevent anarchy.

Because that's bullshit:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/activist-portland-shooting-michael-reinoehl-police

[catfish1957]

Almost 36 hours since, and this cop has still not been identified.  This is an outrage.

2 days later now.  Nothing on the cop shooter, but all the sudden there is this mysterious cop death, and his name is released without problem.  Does this all seem strange?  There were people with cell cameras all over the place.  Add security cams too?