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I'm not gonna play your game. Others can look at the video in context and decide how they feel about your idea of 'morality'.

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She was breaking and entering,   How much sympathy am I supposed to muster?
Shot without warning for breaking and entering, I guess you could at least muster as much sympathy as you do for Black violent criminals that are shot by police.

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Of course I wish no lives had been lost.   But I will continue to presumptively support the men and women in blue.   Breaking and entering can get you killed, you know.   It's one of those occupational hazards.   But cops face deadly hazards every day.  Why do you mimic antifa by reflexively branding this peace officer a murderer?
What deadly 'hazard' was presented? She had no weapon in evidence, and posed no imminent threat. The lady could have been tackled had she succeeded in gaining entry and taken into custody, especially when traversing a barricade.

I have a problem with anyone who abuses the use of deadly force--especially under color of law.

If she'd been BLM, Washington DC would be on fire--literally, while CNN would say the protests were mainly peaceful.

After all, John Wayne Gacy is only credited with having killed on 0.18% of the days of his life, so that makes him 99.82% "peaceful". (see how that works?)
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Welp, I said I don't feel sympathy. I don't. Don't charge a cop holding a gun. Or do if that's your thing. I'll put some flowers on your grave.

Provide the footage of the woman "charging the cop".  I sure didn't see it.

You've dug your hole pretty deep already.  If you care to respond.
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Of course I wish no lives had been lost.

Unless that life happens to be inside a woman's womb.


But I will continue to presumptively support the men and women in blue.

As do I.  But this ambusher wasn't wearing blue, nor did he follow the standard rules of engagement.

10 CFR § 1047.7 - Use of deadly force.


Breaking and entering can get you killed, you know.

She didn't break anything.  But then you already knew that before deciding to repeat the lie again.


But cops face deadly hazards every day.

This 'cop' [sic] didn't face any deadly hazard whatsoever.  He wasn't cornered.  He wasn't threatened.  He saw no weapons being brandished.  But he did wait in ambush with his weapon already drawn and shot at the first head that popped through the window.
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What deadly hazard was presented?

If she'd been BLM, Washington DC would be on fire--literally, while CNN would say the protests were mainly peaceful.

After all, John Wayne Gacy is only credited with having killed on 0.18% of the days of his life, so that makes him 99.82% "peaceful". (see how that works?)

Look,  this is obviously a tragedy.   She clearly didn't think her little adventure was going to end up with her dead.   Being a member of a mob storming a federal building - when Congress is in session, no less - can charitably be described as idiocy.   Did she "deserve" to die?  Of course not.  But neither does this peace officer deserve to be reflexively branded a murderer.
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 These lawless acts  and violence is going to accelerate under Joe Biden.  For example, we will see people showing up at Congressional  member’s homes demanding they pass or vote against certain legislation and using threats  and intimidation to achieve their goals

And the media will cheer it on depending on the level of support or opposition they have for the legislation
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These lawless acts  and violence is going to accelerate under Joe Biden.  For example, we will see people showing up at Congressional  member’s homes demanding they pass or vote against certain legislation and using threats  and intimidation to achieve their goals

And the media will cheer it on depending on the level of support or opposition they have for the legislation

Unfortunately,  selective outrage and hypocrisy are well-embedded on both sides.   
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Look,  this is obviously a tragedy.   She clearly didn't think her little adventure was going to end up with her dead.   Being a member of a mob storming a federal building - when Congress is in session, no less - can charitably be described as idiocy.   Did she "deserve" to die?  Of course not.  But neither does this peace officer deserve to be reflexively branded a murderer.

You didn't answer the question.  What deadly hazard was present?
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You didn't answer the question.  What deadly hazard was present?

A mob was attacking the Capitol with Senators still in the building.   Some, it appears, had pipe bombs.   In the fury of the moment,  I will presumptively back the Blue.  I have less sympathy for idiocy.
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Watch: Trump Supporters Clash with Police, Attempt to Breach U.S. Capitol Building



Hannah Bleau 6 Jan 2021

Supporters of President Donald Trump at the March to Save America are attempting to breach the U.S. Capitol, breaking through barriers in attempts to occupy the building, according to footage captured Wednesday.

Videos shows crowds attempting to breach the U.S. Capitol, holding American flags as well as Trump flags.

“Trump supporters have breached the Capitol building, tearing down 4 layers of security fencing and are attempting to occupy the building — fighting federal police who are overrun,” The Blaze’s Elijah Schaffer said, tweeting out a video of the chaos.

“This is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen in my life. Thousands, police can’t stop them,” he added, noting that “non lethal force” was in effect:

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/06/watch-trump-supporters-clash-with-police-attempt-to-breach-u-s-capitol-building/


WRONG ALL LIES.  It was ANTIFA dressed as Trump supporters and we have video where capitol police ALLOW Antifa to get into building.  The BLAZE has it all....wrong.  Same with BREITBART.  DO I NEED TO POST PROOF? 

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Look,  this is obviously a tragedy.   She clearly didn't think her little adventure was going to end up with her dead.   Being a member of a mob storming a federal building - when Congress is in session, no less - can charitably be described as idiocy.   Did she "deserve" to die?  Of course not.  But neither does this peace officer deserve to be reflexively branded a murderer.
As someone here said, i call them as I see them. The officer bushwacked her. No weapon in evidence on her part, no direct threat to him, he laid in wait, firearm extended, off to the side and shot her. Surely he was big enough and had enough backup to take her down. If George Floyd could be subdued, she could have been 'cuffed and stuffed' instead of shot from concealment.
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WRONG ALL LIES.  It was ANTIFA dressed as Trump supporters and we have video where capitol police ALLOW Antifa to get into building.  The BLAZE has it all....wrong.  Same with BREITBART.  DO I NEED TO POST PROOF?

You sound like some of the idiots on the left who are claimed that the burning and looting this summer was caused partly by those people who support Donald Trump

The idiot governor of Minnesota tried that claim and people didn’t buy it and they’re not gonna buy that it was really all ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter in Washington DC
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As someone here said, i call them as I see them. The officer bushwacked her. No weapon in evidence on her part, no direct threat to him, he laid in wait, firearm extended, off to the side and shot her. Surely he was big enough and had enough backup to take her down. If George Floyd could be subdued, she could have been 'cuffed and stuffed' instead of shot from concealment.

SHE WAS NO THREAT.   :thumbsup:


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It was ANTIFA.......not Trump supporters.  ANTIFA was allowed in by Capitol Police.  Some real Trump supporters were probably swept along, with ANIFA CROWD.  NO TRUMP SUPPORTERS WEAR BLACK CLOTHES, ANS RIOT HELMETS.  THINK. 

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A mob was attacking the Capitol with Senators still in the building.

There was already a heavily armed police presence on her side of the door.  No mob.  No attack.


Some, it appears, had pipe bombs.

The word 'appears' is liberalspeak for "I have no evidence of it, but I feel like saying it bolsters my argument".  The pipe bomb was at RNC headquarters - not the US Capitol.  But after being informed of this, I am 100% confident that you will repeat this lie again.

In the fury of the moment,  I will presumptively back the Blue.

The ones wearing uniforms were on her side of the door.  As for the shooter?  Hard to say what he was wearing because he was hiding away in the shadows with weapon already drawn just waiting for the opportunity to ambush someone.  Is that standard "Blue" procedure?
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You sound like some of the idiots on the left who are claimed that the burning and looting this summer was caused partly by those people who support Donald Trump

The idiot governor of Minnesota tried that claim and people didn’t buy it and they’re not gonna buy that it was really all ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter in Washington DC
A few well placed agitators are like a turd in the punchbowl. They make a mess of things, use the crowd momentum in the heat of the moment to incite people to do things which are unwise, and then slink off to the side while mayhem ensues.
Agents provocateur have been known for centuries.
Look at the people with bullhorns. They use these to drown out anyone who has a different opinion, or who recommends more reasonable action, much like internet trolls.

It has been reported that at least one busload of ANTIFAs was brought in, and I doubt they were sailing paper boats on the reflecting pool.
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As someone here said, i call them as I see them. The officer bushwacked her. No weapon in evidence on her part, no direct threat to him, he laid in wait, firearm extended, off to the side and shot her. Surely he was big enough and had enough backup to take her down. If George Floyd could be subdued, she could have been 'cuffed and stuffed' instead of shot from concealment.

If only she had been black....

we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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You sound like some of the idiots on the left who are claimed that the burning and looting this summer was caused partly by those people who support Donald Trump

The idiot governor of Minnesota tried that claim and people didn’t buy it and they’re not gonna buy that it was really all ANTIFA and Black Lives Matter in Washington DC

There were at least a few antifa/BMLers mixed into the bunch last night. People identified as being such, by name. I don't think it's all nonsense.

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If only she had been black....

we wouldn't be having this conversation.

SAY HER NAME!
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It was ANTIFA.......not Trump supporters.  ANTIFA was allowed in by Capitol Police.  Some real Trump supporters were probably swept along, with ANIFA CROWD.  NO TRUMP SUPPORTERS WEAR BLACK CLOTHES, ANS RIOT HELMETS.  THINK.

 Well I guess you’re entitled to believe that but it simply is not true. That does not mean I don’t think some of them were. But go ahead and try to sell that to the public and see how that works for you
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If only she had been black....

we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Right, we'd be talking about the burning and sacking of Washington D.C.
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SAY HER NAME!

No such thing as a whitey martyr in the New Amerikka.    :shrug:
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There were at least a few antifa/BMLers mixed into the bunch last night. People identified as being such, by name. I don't think it's all nonsense.

I have no doubt some of them types were in the crowd but the idea that it was all antifa and BLM is just simply not true
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I have no doubt some of them types were in the crowd but the idea that it was all antifa and BLM is just simply not true

Not all, it only took a few agent provocateurs to set things in motion.