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Re: Gaming Out a MAGA Party
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2020, 04:50:14 am »
This means Biden the Vegetable received 11 million more votes than Obama the Chosen.  :laughingdog: 

Some day, when you take a break from your projectile hate spewing, post a picture showing the color of the sky, the unicorns roaming free and the lollipops growing wild on your planet @Knox27

Yes and we should heed the message

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2020, 04:52:56 am »
Yes and we should heed the message

You live in a fantasy world of your own creation.  We get it.

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Re: Gaming Out a MAGA Party
« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2020, 05:01:22 am »
You live in a fantasy world of your own creation.  We get it.

Always amusing when a true believer tells an atheist that.

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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2020, 08:16:22 pm »

LOVE IT.  I was thinking a party, party.  lol. 

SICK OF azzHHOLE RINO'S.
Hey, remember the Dems will fix all the votes anyway, right? So what's the point of creating  a new party?
Which the Dems, of course, will cheer on mightily.
They are urging Republicans not to vote because it's fixed so don't waste your time and effort voting, but would much love it a lot better to have the conservatives split up into two parties.
In short, the idea of creating a new party is a great recipe for a complete disaster.
Trump lost the election not because of fraud, but because Biden got seven or eight million more votes than he did.
Jumping up and down shouting and screaming about fraud (which still has never been proved) will do nothing.
Back a decent conservative prez candidate next time, and things might improve. Cutting off your nose to spite your face won't make things improve.

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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2020, 08:28:38 pm »
Congrats. Almost every sentence in that post was diametrically wrong. Trump won when every candidate you list would have been crushed by Clinton. He followed that up by governing as the most Conservative President since at least Reagan. Trump IS the Republican Party now because he has shown how to fight back against this liberal tide. If he is cheated out of this election, there is an almost certainty that he will be the GOP candidate in 2024. Basically, get over your Trump hate or find a new party.
Protectionism is not conservatism. Tariffs are self-defeating. Bush II's steel tariffs were disastrous and so were Trump's tariffs that bankrupted thousands of farmers.
The deficit and trade imbalance with China is worse than it was before Trump started the trade war.
Trump promised five trillion dollars to waste on further plans to "help" get the black vote and let violent criminals out of prison, and all he got was a measly 13% of their vote.
Trump pandered to Iowa farmers about ethanol. He  approved of Kelo vs. Connecticut that had many lower middle class people thrown out of their homes in favor of developers.
Trump got a few things done like SC judges,  but he was mostly mouth and constantly stepped on his member. The latter is one huge reason he lost the popular vote by eight million. I know it might come as a shock to you, but many more people looked at Trump's juvenile antics with contempt than people like you approved of them.
Face it...Trump is a loser who is now subverting the American electoral system and destroying the Republican Party. Which it seems many on this forum approve of unfortunately.

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2020, 08:30:42 pm »
Protectionism is not conservatism. Tariffs are self-defeating. Bush II's steel tariffs were disastrous and so were Trump's tariffs that bankrupted thousands of farmers.
The deficit and trade imbalance with China is worse than it was before Trump started the trade war.
Trump promised five trillion dollars to waste on further plans to "help" get the black vote and let violent criminals out of prison, and all he got was a measly 13% of their vote.
Trump pandered to Iowa farmers about ethanol. He  approved of Kelo vs. Connecticut that had many lower middle class people thrown out of their homes in favor of developers.
Trump got a few things done like SC judges,  but he was mostly mouth and constantly stepped on his member. The latter is one huge reason he lost the popular vote by eight million. I know it might come as a shock to you, but many more people looked at Trump's juvenile antics with contempt than people like you approved of them.
Face it...Trump is a loser who is now subverting the American electoral system and destroying the Republican Party. Which it seems many on this forum approve of unfortunately.

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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2020, 08:30:48 pm »
The only alternative to your point that I see is separation.
Things are not nearly as bad as they seem.  Stop drinking the orange kool-aid, and try to support real conservative candidates not named Trump.

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2020, 08:32:29 pm »
And now you understand why 75,000,000 + Americans voted for him.
Half of those voters voted for him because he was the least worst choice. I held my nose again voting him as I did in 2016. I'm sure many more Republicans did the same.

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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2020, 08:39:57 pm »
While there's no doubt that many Republicans never warmed to Trump the man,  it is a canard to say the party hasn't moved sharply to embrace his America-first agenda.   Trumpism without the Trump is the likely future of the GOP.
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2020, 09:07:08 pm »
  Trumpism without the Trump is the likely future of the GOP.

It better be because if we are left to be governed by the underbelly of liberal socialist party.....the county is gone.
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2020, 09:09:36 pm »
While there's no doubt that many Republicans never warmed to Trump the man,  it is a canard to say the party hasn't moved sharply to embrace his America-first agenda.   Trumpism without the Trump is the likely future of the GOP.

So you are advocating a GOP that does not have an "American First" agenda?

Would you mind elaborating further?
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2020, 09:16:01 pm »
Hey, remember the Dems will fix all the votes anyway, right? So what's the point of creating  a new party?  Which the Dems, of course, will cheer on mightily.

They are urging Republicans not to vote because it's fixed so don't waste your time and effort voting, but would much love it a lot better to have the conservatives split up into two parties. In short, the idea of creating a new party is a great recipe for a complete disaster.

Trump lost the election not because of fraud, but because Biden got seven or eight million more votes than he did.  Jumping up and down shouting and screaming about fraud (which still has never been proved) will do nothing.

Back a decent conservative prez candidate next time, and things might improve. Cutting off your nose to spite your face won't make things improve.

First @goatprairie Donald J. Trump won this election in an electoral landslide.  Massive, coordinated election and voter fraud stole is from all of us, including you.  The proof is out there: coordinated shutdown of counting, thousands of pages of sworn testimony, forensic audits finding the algorithms proving electronic vote manipulation, hookups of voting machines to the Internet, video tapes, photographs --- the fraud is all documented and in the public arena.  But you don't care, at all. It's much too messy --- and besides, the Orange Man Bad.

You go on to say "the idea of creating a new party is a great recipe for a complete disaster".  If we can cut to the chase here, permit me to say that this is a "disaster" only for you and the rest of your GOP. You want peace and quiet; no more chaos, no more tweeting, no more exposing the hypocrisy of the inbred GOP.  You can't wait to get back to keeping your head down, with no expectations of success, no angst, and most of all: no confrontation.  You'll have that again when the GOP regains its normal footing as the minority party of losers.

On the other hand, Trump supporters welcome the challenges, the noise, the interruptions that come with fighting, actually fighting, for the nation as founded.  And they engage to WIN.  You don't want Trump supporters in your party any more than Trump supporters want to be there.  This is the perfect time for an amicable, no-fault divorce.

And then the GOP can fade away.  Losing the Senate is step one, forming another party is step two, cleaning the remnant GOP inbreds out of Congress in 2022 is step three, winning it all back under the new party is step four. There will be one helluva fight.   But unlike the GOP, Trump supporters run toward the sound of gunfire, not from it.  And they're ready.

No more compromise, no more fingers in the dam, no more excuses.  You've had your shot and you have blown it. Thanks for trying, but the GOP needs to be done.  Making it so will be a pleasure.  Godspeed.

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Re: Gaming Out a MAGA Party
« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2020, 09:30:06 pm »
A new party to replace the GOP will happen quickly and organically.  No one will be able to stop it, especially Republicans

The GOP did better in this past election than Trump did.   
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2020, 09:31:54 pm »
So you are advocating a GOP that does not have an "American First" agenda?

Would you mind elaborating further?

I support a GOP that embraces an America-first agenda,  without the baggage of the Trump reality show. 
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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2020, 09:33:45 pm »
Half of those voters voted for him because he was the least worst choice. I held my nose again voting him as I did in 2016. I'm sure many more Republicans did the same.

For most,  this was a lesser of two evils election.   That's why I voted down ballot only.   
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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2020, 09:36:26 pm »
I support a GOP that embraces an America-first agenda,  without the baggage of the Trump reality show.

Fair enough,....
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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2020, 09:57:51 pm »
The GOP did better in this past election than Trump did.

Yep. But they will never acknowledge that reality.

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« Reply #42 on: December 16, 2020, 01:35:07 am »
Yep. But they will never acknowledge that reality.

Here's the acknowledgement: The GOP did better up and down the ballot BECAUSE it is the party of President Trump. What the GOP did down ballot is merely evidence of the fraud that occurred in the Presidential race and in a few very key Senate races...take away the fraud and you have a Trump big win AND strong GOP performance at all levels of the ballot. That success IS Trump's leadership at work in turning the party...against strong resistance from the RINO/NT's...towards a true populist conservatism. We aren't AT that full destination yet...but the drive toward's it will not be stopped. Honestly, if you're a NeverTrumper, you are genuinely not welcome amongst conservatives OR Republicans going forward...because you are the problem...you are the useful idiots the Left is happy to use to further their cause.
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« Reply #43 on: December 16, 2020, 06:07:41 am »
The GOP did better in this past election than Trump did.

In 2020 Trump is the GOP @Jazzhead   But, please do a favor for me:  Keep pushing and insulting and projectile hate spewing.  You're shoving your party into the dustbin of history better than any Trump supporter ever could.

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« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2020, 06:33:41 pm »
In 2020 Trump is the GOP @Jazzhead   But, please do a favor for me:  Keep pushing and insulting and projectile hate spewing.  You're shoving your party into the dustbin of history better than any Trump supporter ever could.

Sheesh,  you Trump supporters sure are a bunch of whiney Karens!   What "hate" have I been spewing?   Noting that many GOP candidates in fact did better than Trump is not "hate".   There is no more misused word in the English language!
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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2020, 06:37:02 pm »
Here's the acknowledgement: The GOP did better up and down the ballot BECAUSE it is the party of President Trump. What the GOP did down ballot is merely evidence of the fraud that occurred in the Presidential race and in a few very key Senate races...take away the fraud and you have a Trump big win AND strong GOP performance at all levels of the ballot.

Why would the Dems go to all the effort to get Trump out and then humiliate themselves at all other levels? It makes zero sense. Why didn't they do it in 2016?

You really have contort logic to believe they went to all these extremes to steal the election and then left these gaps where they just got decimated. It makes no sense at all. Which is (partially) why i'm skeptical of any wide-ranging fraud argument.

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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2020, 07:01:56 pm »
Trump is a nationalist populist to suit his ego. He isn't a conservative or a republican.  He has zero interest in rooting out corruption and graft, both because he has no principles and engages in it.  He doesn't care about spending as long as people fawn over him for "talking tough" and appointing every judge the federalist society suggests, whether they are competent or not.  He doesn't even pay lip service to the 1st amendment.  And most egregiously he is happy to engage in conspiracy theories about the election and trashing faith in free and fair elections.  Its shameful and I believe has done an extreme amount of damage to the right. So no, each sentence he wrote was pretty accurate.
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History is filled w/these types who are harmless while providing entertainment.
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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2020, 07:12:28 pm »
Here's the acknowledgement: The GOP did better up and down the ballot BECAUSE it is the party of President Trump. What the GOP did down ballot is merely evidence of the fraud that occurred in the Presidential race and in a few very key Senate races...take away the fraud and you have a Trump big win AND strong GOP performance at all levels of the ballot. That success IS Trump's leadership at work in turning the party...against strong resistance from the RINO/NT's...towards a true populist conservatism. We aren't AT that full destination yet...but the drive toward's it will not be stopped. Honestly, if you're a NeverTrumper, you are genuinely not welcome amongst conservatives OR Republicans going forward...because you are the problem...you are the useful idiots the Left is happy to use to further their cause.

Oh, stop it with the "NeverTrumper" nonsense.   That's a straw man.   It is perfectly logical to endorse Trump's policies,  as most conservatives do,  and yet be pleased that the erratic, vengeful and megalomaniacal man will soon be GONE.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2020, 07:28:30 pm »
Protectionism is not conservatism. Tariffs are self-defeating. Bush II's steel tariffs were disastrous and so were Trump's tariffs that bankrupted thousands of farmers.
The deficit and trade imbalance with China is worse than it was before Trump started the trade war.
Trump promised five trillion dollars to waste on further plans to "help" get the black vote and let violent criminals out of prison, and all he got was a measly 13% of their vote.
Trump pandered to Iowa farmers about ethanol. He  approved of Kelo vs. Connecticut that had many lower middle class people thrown out of their homes in favor of developers.
Trump got a few things done like SC judges,  but he was mostly mouth and constantly stepped on his member. The latter is one huge reason he lost the popular vote by eight million. I know it might come as a shock to you, but many more people looked at Trump's juvenile antics with contempt than people like you approved of them.
Face it...Trump is a loser who is now subverting the American electoral system and destroying the Republican Party. Which it seems many on this forum approve of unfortunately.
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Again, on the money; plus an anecdote from history.
The GOP was the errand boy for Industrial Capitalism, post-Civil War.
As such, they rejected Free Trade, embracing rigorous Protectionism.
Their Carny-Barker was POTUS McKinley of Ohio who in 1896, demanded
Congress enact his massive Tariff Bill "to protect our infant industries!!!"
At the time the 3 largest corporations in the world were U.S. Steel,
Standard Oil and Edison Electric; hardly in need of any protection.
Yet the GOP has always been oblivious to irony.



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« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2020, 02:21:57 am »
Why would the Dems go to all the effort to get Trump out and then humiliate themselves at all other levels? It makes zero sense. Why didn't they do it in 2016?

You really have contort logic to believe they went to all these extremes to steal the election and then left these gaps where they just got decimated. It makes no sense at all. Which is (partially) why i'm skeptical of any wide-ranging fraud argument.

They didn't have the full control needed to manage 435 House races and thousands of state level races without exposing themselves more than they actually did...so they targeted their fraud...which is smart if you are trying not to get caught. But don't worry, they'll get better at it by 2024 and perhaps fulfill your wish of controlling all levels of voting across the nation.
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