Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

[Victoria33]

@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1

No. 1 Post:  Counting Machines At Polling Places and Tabulating Machines in Central Counting

If I don't know something, I beat it to death until I know it all.  I knew it all about voting machines/tabulators in Texas until about 2012.  I knew for positive no machines used in elections was connected to the internet.  The only way to mess with election machines was to have one in your possession and physically change it.  Machines across the country, THEN, were NOT connected to the internet.  In the presidential election of 2016, there were two men on the internet who said they could change a voting machine.  They had a machine in their possession and somewhat explained how they did it.  The problem with these guys, as I said then, was they had to have the machine.  When a county's voting machines are programmed for an election, they are locked up so no one can get to them.  There are normally two locks on the door where the machines are and one key is given to the election's administrator, and one to the sheriff.  Counties do not leave their programmed machines out in the open where they could be touched by unauthorized personnel.

These machines are programmed and the Republican Chairman and the Democrat Chairman meet with the elections administrator and each machine is checked for accuracy.  If the machine is not accurate it is taken out and reprogrammed until it is accurate.  On election day, the sheriff's deputies take the machines to the proper polling place, where the Judge and Alternate Judge, one of each Party, check that all the machines are set at 0.

Now, since this 2020 election, there is so much angst about changing voting machines numbers, I am studying this to see if it is possible to change a machine without physically having the machine.  I have an expert to help me on programming and how machines could/could not, be connected to allow its numbers to be changed.

Here is every state and the machines they used in this 2020 election 

Voting equipment usage in the November 3, 2020, general election

State   Ballot marking methods                                          Tabulation methods

Alabama   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Alaska   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
Arizona   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan
Arkansas   BMDs for all voters   Optical scan
California   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Optical scan
Colorado   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Hand
count and optical scan
Connecticut   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Delaware   BMDs for all voters   Optical scan
Florida   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Georgia   BMDs for all voters   Optical scan
Hawaii   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Idaho   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Illinois   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Indiana   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Iowa   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Kansas   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with and without VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Kentucky   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Louisiana   DREs without VVPAT for all voters   DRE
Maine   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
Maryland   Voting center jurisdiction: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Optical scan
Massachusetts   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
Michigan   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Minnesota   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
Mississippi   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with and without VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Missouri   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Montana   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
Nebraska   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Nevada   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
New Hampshire   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Hand count and optical scan
New Jersey   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
New Mexico   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
New York   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
North Carolina   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
North Dakota   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Ohio   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Oklahoma   Hand-marked paper ballots; direct recording assistive interface for accessibility without VVPAT   Optical scan
Oregon   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Optical scan
Pennsylvania   Hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Optical scan
Rhode Island   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
South Carolina   BMDs for all voters   Optical scan
South Dakota   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Tennessee   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Texas   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs without VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Utah   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
Vermont   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots and BMDs   Hand count and optical scan
Virginia   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs for accessibility   Optical scan
Washington   All-mail ballots. Election Day voting centers: hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan and DRE
West Virginia   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Wisconsin   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Hand count, optical scan, and DRE
Wyoming   Hand-marked paper ballots, BMDs, and DREs with VVPAT   Optical scan
Source: Verified Voting, "The Verifier – Polling Place Equipment – November 2020," accessed October 15, 2020

My Number 2 Post will be the exact wording of Pennsylvania Election Law pertaining to their machines and their exact law about qualifying mail ballots.

[conservativevoter]

I would like to know who is going to jail for STEALING MY VOTE?  Pennsylvania's Shapiro?  Our SoS?  The know-all, give-directions-to-all governator, Tom Wolfe?  How about all three?   

[XenaLee]

I would like to know who is going to jail for STEALING MY VOTE?  Pennsylvania's Shapiro?  Our SoS?  The know-all, give-directions-to-all governator, Tom Wolfe?  How about all three?   

My advice?   Prepare yourself for disappointment.   

[sneakypete]

My advice?   Prepare yourself for disappointment.

@XenaLee

Frankly,I am going to be surprised if the people responsible for this election theft aren't all over the web bragging about it within a week of Biden (or whoever is designated to replace him) is sworn in.

After all,if they had enough common sense to come in out of the rain,they wouldn't be Dims,and really,WHAT can we do about it at that point,anyway?

If someone does try going after them,all they have to say is they were lying,and laugh.

[Victoria33]

@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1

This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.  They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.

If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines.  These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states.  This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty
@roamer_1

This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.  They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.

If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines.  These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states.  This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link.

I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word.   

[Smokin Joe]

The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually.   What we're likely getting is divided government that will temper radicalism.   I like divided government.  It's a hell of a lot less threatening to my liberties and pocketbook,  and all sides still have skin in the game.

I would say, whether we agree or not, that posters here are of above average intelligence.

IOW, over half of that collective voice is likely NOT more wise, and definitely not as well versed in either the issues nor keeping up to date with them. It is entirely likely that the understanding and knowledge of the Constitution shown here is leagues above that 'average'.

Sorry, but your million mom math just doesn't work. And one side commonly has only the skin in the game that they can remove from the rest of us.

[Victoria33]

If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link.  I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word.   

@Cyber Liberty

I was afraid you would say something like that, then I thought maybe since it is me, he knows I would not put something on here that is liberal crap about this machine problem.  NBC printed it, but it is the men's words, not NBC's words.  Please read it, then send me a PM.  Please.  Pretty Please, I swear on Prissy's new sweaters, you will be glad you did, and probably take notes (I am), to keep the info. near by as the investigation of this election continues.

[Hoodat]

The collective voice of the voters may be more wise than most of us expressing our passions individually.

The collective voice of the voters has been denied by fraudulent election tampering.  Your Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is a prime culprit.

If Biden won your state on the up-and-up, then Democrats should welcome a recount, paid for by the Trump campaign.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I was afraid you would say something like that, then I thought maybe since it is me, he knows I would not put something on here that is liberal crap about this machine problem.  NBC printed it, but it is the men's words, not NBC's words.  Please read it, then send me a PM.  Please.  Pretty Please, I swear on Prissy's new sweaters, you will be glad you did, and probably take notes (I am), to keep the info. near by as the investigation of this election continues.

I am sure there's a lot of truth in there, but it's difficult trying to glean good information from a source that a serial liar.  I'll look at it, probably best when I'm in a better mood.  Big day tomorrow, I'm going to a County Board of Supervisors tomorrow, and I may have to piss somebody off from the Lectern again.  I'm trying not to be too much of a PITA.

[aligncare]

If it's NBC, I don't want to risk the lowering of my IQ that's sure to happen if I click that link.

I am sorry, but the mainstream press has so ruined its reputation that we just can't read them withou the word "LIE!" tattooed on every word.   

It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.

We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.

[Cyber Liberty]

It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.

We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.

It's the times we live in.  Almost all broadcast News Agencies can't be trusted to report the color of the sky, rendering them unreadable crap that actually reduces the aggregate intelligence of all who read/watch it.

[XenaLee]

It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.

We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.

Easier said than done.   The only way to "fix" it for future elections is to impose national election standards that every state must adhere to.   No more of this easily-hacked voting machines BS chosen by corrupt state officials....and no more corrupt state officials making up election laws as the they go along... ie changing the rules mid-game.   

I normally champion states rights, but this election has opened my eyes to how widespread and rampant the corruption has become re: US elections.   Obviously, what these leftist-run states have done and what they are trying to do negatively effects the other 45 states.   So....time to put every state under a standard elections regulations umbrella.

[roamer_1]

This info. is from NBC News reporting about "a team of 10 independent cybersecurity experts who specialize in voting systems and elections". These experts report, "While the voting machines themselves are not designed to be online, the larger voting systems in many states end up there, putting the voting process at risk.  They did this work in January, 2020, to determine the state of election machines before the Primary and General Election.

If you read this you will know what is happening with electronic voting machines.  These states do not intend for their "numbers" to be found, but these experts explain how that happens in some states.  This is excellent information, go there and read which systems/states are vulnerable.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/online-vulnerable-experts-find-nearly-three-dozen-u-s-voting-n1112436

@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty

I will pick up on this... We KNOW the electronic systems are online somehow... Or they would not be reporting real-time results into the MSM drama on election night. THAT the tabulation taking place is available for ongoing commentary means they are certainly online ~somehow~.

While that does afford an opportunity for exploitation, it does not mean, necessarily, that it (any networking) is indeed promiscuous. For instance, a Windows 98 operating system is exploitable by it's very nature - there is very little thought put into network security in a stock win98 machine. But put that machine behind a modern router, and give it a modern anti-virus, firewall, and browser, and it becomes far less easy to exploit. On the other side of things, a modern Linux machine has all it needs internally in the operating system to be bloody well bulletproof all by itself standing online.

So THAT it is online is not necessarily bad - depending upon the various parts of the network and the ability of its IT crew. Banking and trading systems are online by their very nature with little ongoing trouble.

But it should not be neglected that being online, by its very nature, opens a system to exploitation. It also opens systems to remote control, which can be very useful, but can also be an obvious problem in an election system. That they are online to some degree is self evident. Whether they are secure and remain without manipulation relies heavily upon the management of their systems.

[Smokin Joe]

@Victoria33 @Cyber Liberty

I will pick up on this... We KNOW the electronic systems are online somehow... Or they would not be reporting real-time results into the MSM drama on election night. THAT the tabulation taking place is available for ongoing commentary means they are certainly online ~somehow~.

While that does afford an opportunity for exploitation, it does not mean, necessarily, that it (any networking) is indeed promiscuous. For instance, a Windows 98 operating system is exploitable by it's very nature - there is very little thought put into network security in a stock win98 machine. But put that machine behind a modern router, and give it a modern anti-virus, firewall, and browser, and it becomes far less easy to exploit. On the other side of things, a modern Linux machine has all it needs internally in the operating system to be bloody well bulletproof all by itself standing online.

So THAT it is online is not necessarily bad - depending upon the various parts of the network and the ability of its IT crew. Banking and trading systems are online by their very nature with little ongoing trouble.

But it should not be neglected that being online, by its very nature, opens a system to exploitation. It also opens systems to remote control, which can be very useful, but can also be an obvious problem in an election system. That they are online to some degree is self evident. Whether they are secure and remain without manipulation relies heavily upon the management of their systems.

Ahem....https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395

say what? And this is a bank we assume didn't want a 'problem'. I can't assume that in the jurisdictions which appear compromised.

For instance, an analysis, with no bias, that may expose the fraud and the algorithm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be

[roamer_1]

It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.

We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.

I would submit that you are indeed seeing the death of journalism - But not from the left swinging MSM, which has neglected journalism for decades... But rather, the stake-in-the-heart happened on the RIGHT, where partisanship now runs rampant even as it has on the left... Due to the dubious defense that 'the Democrats do it, so why can't we?'

[roamer_1]

Easier said than done.   The only way to "fix" it for future elections is to impose national election standards that every state must adhere to.   No more of this easily-hacked voting machines BS chosen by corrupt state officials....and no more corrupt state officials making up election laws as the they go along... ie changing the rules mid-game.   

I normally champion states rights, but this election has opened my eyes to how widespread and rampant the corruption has become re: US elections.   Obviously, what these leftist-run states have done and what they are trying to do negatively effects the other 45 states.   So....time to put every state under a standard elections regulations umbrella.

Every time liberty is lost, the excuse for its demise seems valid.
Them that would trade liberty for safety deserve neither.

[roamer_1]

Ahem....https://www.bankinfosecurity.com/chase-breach-affects-76-million-households-a-7395

say what? And this is a bank we assume didn't want a 'problem'. I can't assume that in the jurisdictions which appear compromised.

For instance, an analysis, with no bias, that may expose the fraud and the algorithm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ztu5Y5obWPk&feature=youtu.be

The tenor of your post seems to presume some sort of laissez-faire attitude in me wrt the matter, which is incorrect. I meant my post to be informational and generic... Not pointing to anything either way, but merely acknowledging that it exists. Indeed one must exercise caution because it exists.

As to the banking article, you might note that my statement included the word 'ongoing'. You might also note that Chase, having been caught with their pants down, immediately took steps to fix the problem. You will always be able to point to the anecdotal problem. And I will even readily admit that such problems will always exist, as they do in everything. The point remains: Banking and trade are online and are very robust in their ability to protect their networks.

[Smokin Joe]

https://www.jonathanepmoore.com/the-1982-consent-decree-and-connecting-the-dots/

[Jazzhead]

It feels like I’m trapped in a dystopian novel. Have I lived so long as to see this happening? The final collapse of journalism into open activism. Corporate and social media laying cover for the Democrat party as it steals the election; a presidential candidate pampered with softballs—not one probing question was asked of Joe Biden. Meanwhile reporters lob grenades at President Trump.

We fix this breakdown and we have a chance at free and fair elections where conservative ideas and republicans values can and do win.

Conservative ideas and republican values can and did win this year.   How did all the voter fraud seemingly bypass the House races,  where we may gained as many as a dozen seats and reduced the Dem majority to a trickle?   Or the many statehouse and state legislative races where the GOP decisively beat back the Dem initiative to control redistricting following the 2020 census?    That effort may alone be worth a half dozen seats in 2022.   And the prog ballot initiatives that were defeated even in places like Illinois and California?   

The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year.   The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.   

Trump lost fair and square,  and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government.   I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic,  revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.   

[bigheadfred]

Conservative ideas and republican values can and did win this year.   How did all the voter fraud seemingly bypass the House races,  where we may gained as many as a dozen seats and reduced the Dem majority to a trickle?   Or the many statehouse and state legislative races where the GOP decisively beat back the Dem initiative to control redistricting following the 2020 census?    That effort may alone be worth a half dozen seats in 2022.   And the prog ballot initiatives that were defeated even in places like Illinois and California?   

The GOP and conservatives more than held their own this year.   The bottom line that no one seems to want to face is that Donald Trump was a flawed candidate who had more than enough opportunities to change the behavior that turned folks off but never would or could.   

Trump lost fair and square,  and as a consequence we begin the new decade with divided government.   I'd say the good Lord still smiles upon this Republic,  revealing the public's desire for moderation and conciliation in the face of the two warring, spitting tribes.

Too many reports of voting irregularities. For Biden. It needs to be stopped and people put in jail. Even if Trump still loses this crap needs to stop. There is no trust. And never will be until we stop it.

[skeeter]

Trump lost fair and square

Seriously, how do you know?

[bigheadfred]

Seriously, how do you know?

MSM said so.

[skeeter]

MSM said so.

The only people claiming 'Trump lost fair and square' are the progressive dead enders and Lincoln Project contributors. Literally everyone else knows the whole setup stank.

[Cyber Liberty]

Seriously, how do you know?

One could be forgiven for thinking he lives in the "Broward County" of 2020.  Maybe he thinks this is "normal?"