Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

[jafo2010]

I believe the numbers are something like 11,000 or 17,000 at one time.  And I have also seen mentioned 6,000.  Do that ten times, and four of these elections flip to Trump.

Any block of votes electronically changing would warrant a 2nd election if I were a Supreme.  I do not believe it true that one can fully audit such chicanery. 

If Biden is installed as POTUS, and he shuts the country down, this country will come as close as it ever has to an armed insurrection as it ever has in its history.  And to make matters worse, his decisions will send the country into perhaps a 2nd depression.

[roamer_1]

Don't blame us.   

Oh I don't. I know most folks think computer code is magic.

[Jazzhead]

That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.

But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).

The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.

I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.

The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday.  It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud,  or that the appalling scenario exists of thousands of votes changed or fabricated.   Stories have been making the rounds for days that hand counts "always" show discrepancies in the hundreds, not thousands. 

We'll see. 

[roamer_1]

I believe the numbers are something like 11,000 or 17,000 at one time.  And I have also seen mentioned 6,000.  Do that ten times, and four of these elections flip to Trump.

Any block of votes electronically changing would warrant a 2nd election if I were a Supreme.  I do not believe it true that one can fully audit such chicanery. 

That's just it - Number changes that big would be impossible to reckon with the paper receipt. 11000 flipped is 22k difference. That is impossible to hide in a way that reconciles to the paper receipt.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Oh I don't. I know most folks think computer code is magic.

You do know your horse isn't "folks" and the chat room in your head isn't real ... don't ya?

[Right_in_Virginia]

The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday.  It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud,

That's wrong.  An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.

[roamer_1]

The WSJ praised Georgia's decision to do a complete hand count in its lead editorial yesterday.  It is perhaps the most efficient way of showing voters that there was no significant fraud,  or that the appalling scenario exists of thousands of votes changed or fabricated.   Stories have been making the rounds for days that hand counts "always" show discrepancies in the hundreds, not thousands. 

We'll see.

That's right - We will see. And I praise Georgia as well, and wish the other states in contention would do likewise just as a matter of course.

[Right_in_Virginia]

That's right -

That's still wrong.  An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.

[bigheadfred]

That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.

But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).

The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.

I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.

They invent a system that is proprietary and unleash it on the public at large. Implemented to elections.
Owned by  the enemy.

I am tired of it. The last 20 years. At the least.

You run enough geek.

[roamer_1]

You do know your horse isn't "folks" and the chat room in your head isn't real ... don't ya?

My horse is much smarter than most folks... And there's nobody in my head but me. 

[Jazzhead]

That's wrong.  An audit recount is the best way to identify fraud.

What is the difference?    More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?   

[bigheadfred]

What is the difference?    More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?

At the end of many movies they are burning things.

[roamer_1]

They invent a system that is proprietary and unleash it on the public at large. Implemented to elections.
Owned by  the enemy.

I am tired of it. The last 20 years. At the least.

You run enough geek.

Most everything you run that's electronic has proprietary software. The closest to free would be a droid phone, which is only partly proprietary... Only the parts that count... So that the software in computing elections is proprietary is no great shock. If it was counted by hand and entered into a Windows box on an Excel spreadsheet, it would still be on proprietary software.

As a proponent of open source, of course I would prefer an open source system. That is the only way to approach something honest.

[Right_in_Virginia]

What is the difference?    More to the point, how does the Georgia hand count (as I call it) fail to measure up?

If I thought for one moment you were doing anything other than trolling, I'd help you.  Do your own damn research.  Start with "recanvass".

[Jazzhead]

If I thought for one moment you were doing anything other than trolling, I'd help you.  Do your own damn research.  Start with "recanvass".

I'm sorry you are so cynical.   

[bigheadfred]

I'm sorry you are so cynical.

No. You are not.  Cynical .

[Jazzhead]

I think the Georgia hand count becomes the marker.    If it shows no appreciable discrepancy with the tabulated vote, then Trump should rightfully concede.   If it doesn't, well, let's take it from there.  There may be some common ground to fight. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm sorry you are so cynical.

You misspelled "truthful".

[Hoodat]

I think that is likely right. But I think it will take a return to conservatism, and fiscal conservatism in particular before Republicans have any credz at all... And that may well be the problem.

Again, 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump.

[Hoodat]

I think the Georgia hand count becomes the marker.    If it shows no appreciable discrepancy with the tabulated vote, then Trump should rightfully concede.   If it doesn't, well, let's take it from there.  There may be some common ground to fight.

There is also the issue where the Secretary of State unilaterally (and illegally) overwrote State law as it pertains to mail-in ballots.  And then there is the issue of ballot harvesting, which is also illegal in Georgia.  At minimum, 60k harvested ballots were filed in Dekalb County.  All points which you choose to ignore.

[bigheadfred]

You misspelled "honest".

You are too rational with this one. Small rations of rationale suffice.

[Jazzhead]

There is also the issue where the Secretary of State unilaterally (and illegally) overwrote State law as it pertains to mail-in ballots.  And then there is the issue of ballot harvesting, which is also illegal in Georgia.  At minimum, 60k harvested ballots were filed in Dekalb County.  All points which you choose to ignore.

What do you mean by harvested ballots?   How was the Georgia law violated? 

[roamer_1]

Again, 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump.

So what?

[DCPatriot]

And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)

BFD!  It's been said that any laborer in the Pennsylvania coal mines could learn to code.   

[roamer_1]

BFD!  It's been said that any laborer in the Pennsylvania coal mines could learn to code.   

 

YAbutt... the talent comes when coding WELL.