Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

[bigheadfred]

In contrast, one was sent to me without my even requesting it.

Whom did it voted for?

[Cyber Liberty]

Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today.  They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome.  I think the Penn. case is over.

Nope.  The didn't quit because they thought case was a loser.  They quit because they got caught blabbing to the press about how much they hate their client, and what a bunch of fools his supporters are.  They were about to be fired en masse for a serious conflict of interest.

[Jazzhead]

The question was presented to you long before the Georgia SOS (party be damned) ordered a hand recount.  Without the hand recount, you somehow thought things would be different with the Jan election than they were last week.  I simply asked why you believed Democrats would abandon the strategy that was so successful before.  Nothing half cocked about it.  It is a simple, reasonable question, and one you are having extreme difficulty mustering the integrity to address it.

And I answered you reasonably.  You insist that there's fraud and it'll be the same for the January run-off.   I say let's see what the hand recount says.   The only sort of thing that'll really matter isn't the penny-ante stuff, just something like the Dominion count being way out of whack with the hand count.   But if the hand count is reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that's good enough for me.   

But you put the rabbit in the hat with a question like that.   I have no trouble believing that Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud.     

[Cyber Liberty]

Jeezus, so much other shit going on in the world and all this energy being expended on a bunch of worthless pieces of human debris here.

This useless thread has been consuming TBR damned near the entire day...

Get on with some other real world shit already...toss these useless trolls off to the side and get on with it already.

I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....

[Hoodat]

Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual.  .  .  .  .  It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot. 

Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races.   Georgia is Republican.

How do you reconcile your claim that Georgia Republicans dumped Trump with the fact that Trump received 18% more votes in 2020 than he received in 2016 and that 99.973% of 2020 Perdue voters also voted for Trump?

[Smokin Joe]

Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/

[bigheadfred]

I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....

Taking a shit or wasting time.

Hmmmm...

[Cyber Liberty]

Taking a shit or wasting time.

Hmmmm...

The former is a time of waste, the latter a waste of time.

[bigheadfred]

The former is a time of waste, the latter a waste of time.

No shit.?...

[Hoodat]

And I answered you reasonably.

No, you did not.

You insist that there's fraud and it'll be the same for the January run-off.   I say let's see what the hand recount says.   The only sort of thing that'll really matter isn't the penny-ante stuff, just something like the Dominion count being way out of whack with the hand count.   But if the hand count is reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that's good enough for me.

If the hand count is not reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that will prove that Dominion cannot be trusted.
 

But you put the rabbit in the hat with a question like that.   I have no trouble believing that Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud.   

I didn't simply pull a rabbit out of a hat.  I gave you precise details of how the rabbit got there, all of which you willfully continue to ignore.  I do not dispute that you have no trouble believing Trump lost Georgia without the help of any fraud.  I only assert that absolutely no reason or critical thought was employed by you to reach that conclusion.  It is one purely derived on emotion.

[Cyber Liberty]

No shit.?...

No.  Waste.  I'm really good at that. 

[Victoria33]

You said: "Aw geez, are we still on this?  I warned you about watching CNN."
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I watch all TV news stations.  Maybe you only watch Fox News.  I also search on the internet for the truth.  I read what the law firm said about leaving the Penn. case.  Also read, internet, that some lawyers in their firm did not want to be involved with such a political case.  You can believe what you want, but the firm is no longer involved with that case.

I watched as every charge was made about the Penn. election because it was about the process and that is what I know a lot about, especially mail ballots because I ran that in my county for 14 years. 

In Penn., I know which mail ballots were set aside, sealed in plastic and not counted until that problem was solved.

I also know from the internet, a number of the Biden/Trump cases were dropped today in some states.

[bigheadfred]

Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/11/us-army-seizes-dominion-servers-in-germany-trump-lawyer-vows-im-going-to-release-the-kraken.html/

I am going to throw out a new info thread.

[roamer_1]

Recounts may not matter, if this is true. The evidence to overturn would be contained in the data, or the code.

And I hope it actually is true... But it is going to take more than showing javascript outputs (not the actual offending code, but just the output from that code) as has been the only proffered evidence thus far - And that code purported to be nefarious, only took output from the voting system, and had nothing to do with the system itself - Only supposedly manipulating totals going to the media.

Publish the code itself and make it plain.  There's enough coders on all sides of the fence that can read it outright and attest to its veracity. 

[bigheadfred]

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,419858.msg2326102.html#msg2326102

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1
@Cyber Liberty

(I agree, the Wolf Coat is great.)  Back to the thread:

There is no reason to be gracious or not for us - you can let off steam on this board, which some do all the time or on special occasions, like an election.  It doesn't matter.  Why is that?  Read below, cases going away, no one to yell for or against:

Heard today on TV, the lawyer team representing Trump in the Penn. suit, quit today.  They did not want to continue and said the number of ballots involved, would not change the outcome.  I think the Penn. case is over.

Also heard about 30 min. ago, 5 of the Trump cases in various states have been dropped today, due to no/not enough evidence. 

This means at least 6 Trump/Biden cases are over.

I doubt very much that it will be called early and Tumpy will fold up his tent with a month to go. If rumors are true that he is going to concede this weekend, then the whole hue and cry about massive fraud was bullcrap, plain and simple, and he was playing media games to save face.

I don't think that is what is going on. Ginning up charges has some purpose beyond letting it fall flat a week out with a month to go.

Here is what I think about the Georgia two senator run-off election in January:
It is my belief Georgia is still a Republican state; however, those Republicans voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot as usual.

I also think this happened in other states, one being Arizona.  It is like Georgia, still Republican, voted Biden/dumped Trump, voted Republican down ballot. 

Due to the above, I think the two Republican senator candidates in Georgia, will win their races.   Georgia is Republican.

I think that is likely right. But I think it will take a return to conservatism, and fiscal conservatism in particular before Republicans have any credz at all... And that may well be the problem.

[Victoria33]

Someone who is with the Cruz camp, said 20+ cases of Trump vs. Biden, have been dropped.  Will look that up tomorrow.

[Jazzhead]

If the hand count is not reasonably close to the tabulated count, then that will prove that Dominion cannot be trusted.
 

Well sure.  But I don't presume there's a problem until there's evidence suggesting it.   Like I said,  it is perfectly logical to me that Trump lost the state of Georgia without the least bit of help from vote fraud.

[jafo2010]

If machines were electronically changing votes, I do not know if they can determine the exact votes changed.  If I were a Supreme, I would demand a 2nd election for all states with changing votes, and make it mandatory that all votes are paper ballot votes. 

[SZonian]

I'm not sure, but I do believe it's our time to waste....

@Cyber Liberty...well played.   
Yes it is yours and others time to waste...just tired of this thread consuming so much bandwidth on the forum. 
I guess I've grown accustomed to other more engaging discussions than this one.

[roamer_1]

If machines were electronically changing votes, I do not know if they can determine the exact votes changed.  If I were a Supreme, I would demand a 2nd election for all states with changing votes, and make it mandatory that all votes are paper ballot votes.

The machines generate a transactional paper receipt for every vote tabulated. 'Flipping votes' would be very hard to do without massive vote overruns in any effective way without those paper receipts showing the difference.

And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)

[Smokin Joe]

The machines generate a transactional paper receipt for every vote tabulated. 'Flipping votes' would be very hard to do without massive vote overruns in any effective way without those paper receipts showing the difference.

And any idiot worth his salt would not flip hundreds of thousands of votes all at once anyway. IF one were to attmept flipping votes, it would have to be by an algorithm that would flip votes a little at a time. That is not what the accusers say happened. they are pointing to massive sudden flips, and that does not make sense to me (as a coder)

I believe some of the massive discrepancies can be attributed to the unsupervised counting of ballots while allegedly shut down. One explanation was that the machines had been programmed to slip in a few votes here and there over time, for one candidate, and that when the count was halted, the algorithm continued to feed those biased 'votes in' resulting in a sharp jump when the counting was resumed. As these were absentee or mail in ballots, I'm not sure what good a transactional receipt would be with no one there to claim it.

There are enough irregularities, both procedural and numerical, that the results need a scrupulous examination at the very least.

[bigheadfred]

At the core this thread is about acountability, truth, honesty.

Can't handle it?

Cliche passe

[roamer_1]

There are enough irregularities, both procedural and numerical, that the results need a scrupulous examination at the very least.

That much is true - And I am all for it. Any impropriety or irregularity should rightly be addressed.

But frankly - And I have thought about this for a while - I don't see an easy way to flip these votes without it showing up in accounting (hand count).

The accusation has been raised in Georgia - Lets see how that goes. If it shows the massive fraud that folks say went on, then it can be that it demonstrates the same statistical anomalies exist elsewhere, bolstering the argument in other states.

I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I am truly interested to see how such a thing would be done, and no one has explained it to me in a way that makes sense.

Don't blame us.