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« Reply #1125 on: December 13, 2020, 05:58:23 pm »
Wrong.

You can continue to believe whatever you like no matter how wrong it is.
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« Reply #1126 on: December 13, 2020, 05:59:16 pm »
I never said that. I said that folks who were technically naive, like Sydney Powell, had fallen for this. Powell is in the record saying she wasn't a technical person and was relying on what others told her (am paraphrasing). I saw her say this myself.

For the record, I am a Trump supporter. I wouldn't call myself technically naive.

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“Keshavarz-Nia, those who worked with him said, ‘was always the smartest person in the room,’” the Times reported
NY Times previously praised Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, one of Sidney Powell’s Kraken experts
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« Reply #1127 on: December 13, 2020, 06:00:06 pm »
As has been noted, the Dominion fiasco was just one piece of the fraudulent election.  And I really doubt the "hand recount" was as thorough as we've been led to believe.  It was structured in a way to confirm the bad results, because the Governor, SoS and AG needed to CYA.

Sorry, but recounting without an audit is worthless, and that was intentional.

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« Reply #1128 on: December 13, 2020, 06:00:26 pm »
You can continue to believe whatever you like no matter how wrong it is.

As can you. We will know who is right when Sydney finishes her work. If she produces proof that Kraken was deployed in Georgia, I will acknowledge that you were right. If she does not - well, I won't hold my breath for any such concession from you.
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« Reply #1129 on: December 13, 2020, 06:01:05 pm »
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« Reply #1130 on: December 13, 2020, 06:07:00 pm »
Wrong.
So you don't believe what Georgia's top official in election implementation said?

Unlike the hand recount, the new tally will be done by machine. Sterling said the Dec. 2 deadline accounts for the Thanksgiving holiday and special elections to be held next week in several counties. https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/georgia-election-official-pours-cold-water-on-signature-audit/XREQA4OWEBCALI3IIGWSV6KTLM/
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Re: Election 2020 Legal Updates
« Reply #1131 on: December 13, 2020, 06:15:21 pm »
So you don't believe what Georgia's top official in election implementation said?

Unlike the hand recount, the new tally will be done by machine. Sterling said the Dec. 2 deadline accounts for the Thanksgiving holiday and special elections to be held next week in several counties. https://www.ajc.com/politics/election/georgia-election-official-pours-cold-water-on-signature-audit/XREQA4OWEBCALI3IIGWSV6KTLM/

The alleged "recount" was done wayyyy too quickly to have been a 100% hand count.  That's why I don't believe the claims of "hand recount."  It's physically impossible.
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« Reply #1132 on: December 13, 2020, 06:24:11 pm »
Not the way it was done.   **nononono*

Counting without auditing is worthless because it just recounts with the same glaring errors.

But, as usual... the left is counting (pardon pun) on the stupidity of the average American to not be able to discern the difference between their facade/fake recount... and the real deal.  And apparently, they are correct to count on that stupidity and ignorance. 
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« Reply #1133 on: December 13, 2020, 06:26:18 pm »


The perfect symbol of the ultimate irony re: US elections.... vs. the other 3rd world banana republics.    :whistle:
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« Reply #1134 on: December 13, 2020, 06:31:19 pm »
The alleged "recount" was done wayyyy too quickly to have been a 100% hand count.  That's why I don't believe the claims of "hand recount."  It's physically impossible.

I was never an election judge in Georgia but was one in Texas for a LONG time and can tell you how hand recounts are done. The counters get piles of ballots which they separate into piles for candidate A and B. Those piles of ballots are then run through the very same tabulating machines they were run through the first time.  And when that is all done, totals are rendered!
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« Reply #1135 on: December 13, 2020, 06:33:09 pm »
The perfect symbol of the ultimate irony re: US elections.... vs. the other 3rd world banana republics.    :whistle:

Many of Those 3rd world countries have a better system. They require voters to show up in person, and that dipping the finger in ink is a pretty good measure to prevent voting multiple times. But maybe that was your point.

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« Reply #1136 on: December 13, 2020, 06:39:35 pm »
I do believe that. I don't believe this happened in Georgia because it would have shown up in the hand recount.

There was no "hand recount".   There was a recount done by scanners that use open source software code.   Read this and if you read and understand what you've read, you'll know what actually happened.  I call it FUBAR.   And in no way a legal, legitimate, certifiable election.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/
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« Reply #1137 on: December 13, 2020, 06:49:27 pm »
Many of Those 3rd world countries have a better system. They require voters to show up in person, and that dipping the finger in ink is a pretty good measure to prevent voting multiple times. But maybe that was your point.

Uh, yeah... that was kinda my point.  Hence the "irony" reference.
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« Reply #1138 on: December 13, 2020, 06:51:24 pm »
The alleged "recount" was done wayyyy too quickly to have been a 100% hand count.  That's why I don't believe the claims of "hand recount."  It's physically impossible.

It was a "risk-limiting" recount that they called an audit.   It was in no way a hand recount or an audit.   They misrepresented (lied).   Shocked, right?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/
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« Reply #1139 on: December 13, 2020, 07:02:25 pm »
It was a "risk-limiting" recount that they called an audit.   It was in no way a hand recount or an audit.   They misrepresented (lied).   Shocked, right?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/

And this is from the far, far leftist The Nation.
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« Reply #1140 on: December 13, 2020, 07:20:44 pm »
I'm not sure why you are telling me this. It's obvious, and does not seem to be in dispute here. More importantly, it's completely irrelevant to my point, which is that although there is fraud, the "Kraken" theory seems to be unlikely.

Since people seem to not have read my previous post, I'll repost it here:

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The reason that I don't believe the Kraken theory, which is that Dominion servers were programmed to move some percentage of votes from Trump to Biden, is that it can easily be detected by a hand recount. The results from the hand recount in Georgia back up my beliefs.
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Initially, I had thought the same thing.  But after witnessing the recount first hand, I realized that no such accounting was taking place.  Here are some key points that show the recount was a complete sham:

  • The recount mixed together mail-in and machine ballots so that, so there was never any exclusive check of Dominion ballots performed.  In other words, there was no way to trace any discrepancy directly to Dominion.  Any discrepancy with Dominion totals could have been covered up with the introduction/removal of mail-in ballots.

  • Machine ballots were pre-sorted before being delivered to the counting tables.  A single box containing 1000-1500 ballots would be segregated with the top several hundred going to one candidate and the remainder going to the other candidate.  This would have simplified the addition/subtraction of ballots explained above.

  • Each batch had the total printed on a cover sheet.  In other words, it wasn't a blind independent count.  Instead, the counters were tipped off as to what their target was.

  • Even when there was a discrepancy, the ballot handler failed to record it.  There was never any written account passed from the counters to the tabulators other than the batch had been counted.

  • Batch boxes were not secured.  Some were placed on a shelf within reach of monitors standing behind a tape barrier.

  • The GOP was limited to one observer per every 20 counters.  Photos were not allowed inside the counting area.

  • Mail-in ballots were not checked for signatures, creases, or watermarks.  Signature records were separated from the ballots and destroyed.

  • Adjudicated ballot which were supposed to be handled separately were included with the recount batches - a violation of the recount procedure.  Every single one I saw went as a vote for Biden.

  • In the tabulation area, workers take the cover sheets and enter the data on yet another software package.  There is supposed to be two eyes on each tally, but that rarely happened.  One person would call out a number, and the second person type it in, with each person's eyes fixed on one thing.  The person calling out the number did not watch what was typed, and the person typing did not look at the number being called out.

  • Fulton County, which took eight days to complete their original count, was able to complete their recount over one weekend.  Their recount was announced complete before 8 am on Monday when every other county was just getting underway.  That's over half a million ballots counted from noon Saturday until 7 pm on Sunday.  They ran the ballots through the exact same machines

  • Each ballot has a bar code (mail-in) or QR code (machine) that is a unique identifier for that ballot.  The hardware is capable of distinguishing whether a ballot has been counted already, but there is nothing in the code that prohibits this from happening, nor logs when it does.

  • Incidents of fraud were limited to a select group of counties with people on the inside.  These same people were in charge of the recount and had ample time to prepare for it.

  • Dominion had live remote access to voting machines during the election.

  • Dominion admitted to making changes in their software less than a month before the election to correct a discrepancy with the special election for Senate.  Any software changes require re-certification, yet no such re-certification took place (and still hasn't).

  • There is a double-accounting when voting at the polls.  You make your selection on a touch screen.  A paper record is emitted, and that paper is then fed into another scanner.  The original record still exists on the touch screen machine, but those numbers have never been checked.




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« Reply #1141 on: December 13, 2020, 07:31:20 pm »
It was a "risk-limiting" recount that they called an audit.   It was in no way a hand recount or an audit.   They misrepresented (lied).   Shocked, right?

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/georgia-recount/

Well that SoS does seem like either a Dem plant, or compromised in some way (as many have speculated). I guess we will have to wait and see what Mrs. Powell comes up with. I have much respect for her, but I was disappointed that she at least briefly fell for that horse puckey from Shiva Ayyadura. As a seasoned attorney, I expected more. And there must be a reason why Pres. Trump distanced his campaign from her efforts.

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« Reply #1142 on: December 13, 2020, 07:44:31 pm »

@BassWrangler

Initially, I had thought the same thing.  But after witnessing the recount first hand, I realized that no such accounting was taking place.  Here are some key points that show the recount was a complete sham:

  • The recount mixed together mail-in and machine ballots so that, so there was never any exclusive check of Dominion ballots performed.  In other words, there was no way to trace any discrepancy directly to Dominion.  Any discrepancy with Dominion totals could have been covered up with the introduction/removal of mail-in ballots.

  • Machine ballots were pre-sorted before being delivered to the counting tables.  A single box containing 1000-1500 ballots would be segregated with the top several hundred going to one candidate and the remainder going to the other candidate.  This would have simplified the addition/subtraction of ballots explained above.

  • Each batch had the total printed on a cover sheet.  In other words, it wasn't a blind independent count.  Instead, the counters were tipped off as to what their target was.

  • Even when there was a discrepancy, the ballot handler failed to record it.  There was never any written account passed from the counters to the tabulators other than the batch had been counted.

  • Batch boxes were not secured.  Some were placed on a shelf within reach of monitors standing behind a tape barrier.

  • The GOP was limited to one observer per every 20 counters.  Photos were not allowed inside the counting area.

  • Mail-in ballots were not checked for signatures, creases, or watermarks.  Signature records were separated from the ballots and destroyed.

  • Adjudicated ballot which were supposed to be handled separately were included with the recount batches - a violation of the recount procedure.  Every single one I saw went as a vote for Biden.

  • In the tabulation area, workers take the cover sheets and enter the data on yet another software package.  There is supposed to be two eyes on each tally, but that rarely happened.  One person would call out a number, and the second person type it in, with each person's eyes fixed on one thing.  The person calling out the number did not watch what was typed, and the person typing did not look at the number being called out.

  • Fulton County, which took eight days to complete their original count, was able to complete their recount over one weekend.  Their recount was announced complete before 8 am on Monday when every other county was just getting underway.  That's over half a million ballots counted from noon Saturday until 7 pm on Sunday.  They ran the ballots through the exact same machines

  • Each ballot has a bar code (mail-in) or QR code (machine) that is a unique identifier for that ballot.  The hardware is capable of distinguishing whether a ballot has been counted already, but there is nothing in the code that prohibits this from happening, nor logs when it does.

  • Incidents of fraud were limited to a select group of counties with people on the inside.  These same people were in charge of the recount and had ample time to prepare for it.

  • Dominion had live remote access to voting machines during the election.

  • Dominion admitted to making changes in their software less than a month before the election to correct a discrepancy with the special election for Senate.  Any software changes require re-certification, yet no such re-certification took place (and still hasn't).

  • There is a double-accounting when voting at the polls.  You make your selection on a touch screen.  A paper record is emitted, and that paper is then fed into another scanner.  The original record still exists on the touch screen machine, but those numbers have never been checked.

@Hoodat , thank you for taking the time to prepare that detailed reply. You raise some very good points, and it certainly seems like they had ample opportunity to cover up all sorts of fraud - even potentially the Kraken. While I'm certain there was significant fraud, I'm still not buying the "Kraken" theory. It is just so extreme, and there would be so many ways to get caught with this. But let's wait and see.

By the way, thanks for taking a civil and friendly approach to make your points. I wish everyone here would do that.

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« Reply #1143 on: December 13, 2020, 09:07:03 pm »
@Hoodat , thank you for taking the time to prepare that detailed reply. You raise some very good points, and it certainly seems like they had ample opportunity to cover up all sorts of fraud - even potentially the Kraken. While I'm certain there was significant fraud, I'm still not buying the "Kraken" theory. It is just so extreme, and there would be so many ways to get caught with this. But let's wait and see.

By the way, thanks for taking a civil and friendly approach to make your points. I wish everyone here would do that.

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« Reply #1144 on: December 13, 2020, 09:21:18 pm »
Endless loop stuck much...Yoda

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I suspect that is a part of the plan.

They get us arguing with each other,getting mad at each other,and focusing on each other INSTEAD OF THEM.

I really,REALLY hope somebody is taking names and business or home addresses,and bothers to publish them.
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« Reply #1145 on: December 13, 2020, 09:32:54 pm »
@bigheadfred

I suspect that is a part of the plan.

They get us arguing with each other,getting mad at each other,and focusing on each other INSTEAD OF THEM.

I really,REALLY hope somebody is taking names and business or home addresses,and bothers to publish them.

@sneakypete - did you see the story about a list of CCP members that was leaked? I would love to see that list so I could check for one of my former coworkers that I always suspected.

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« Reply #1146 on: December 13, 2020, 09:52:11 pm »
@sneakypete - did you see the story about a list of CCP members that was leaked? 

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No,but I would dearly love to see it.

If you can find and post it,would you please ping me to it?
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« Reply #1147 on: December 14, 2020, 01:14:42 am »
@BassWrangler

No,but I would dearly love to see it.

If you can find and post it,would you please ping me to it?

@sneakypete - here's a story about it. If I see the actual list, I will make another post with the link.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/leaked-files-reveal-hundreds-ccp-members-are-working-inside-big-companies-government-agencies-54154

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« Reply #1148 on: December 14, 2020, 01:22:29 am »
@sneakypete - here's a story about it. If I see the actual list, I will make another post with the link.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/leaked-files-reveal-hundreds-ccp-members-are-working-inside-big-companies-government-agencies-54154

@sneakypete - there's a link to the list in the article here:

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/12/13/list-of-ccp-members-embedded-within-multinational-organizations-is-released/

Check out this quote from the article:

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The massive data-file was offered to all major international journalists and media organizations. All of the major U.S. media outlets did not want the data. As a consequence, media outlets within Australia and the U.K. are leading the release.

NOTE: At the same time U.S. media were refusing the leaked information they were simultaneously criticizing a U.S. executive order blocking CCP members from visas’ longer than one month in duration, by claiming no-one had any way to know who was a CCP member. In essence, the U.S. corporate media did not want to know.

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