Election 2020 Legal Updates

[BassWrangler]

Can you direct me to which one?  Thanks @BassWrangler

@Right_in_Virginia : #1059

[DB]

Wow, is this really that hard to understand? Do you not understand what a hand recount is? It's counting the votes by having people look at the ballots. It doesn't use the machines.

Where did they actually do a hand count without machines?

[Cyber Liberty]

Since it's you asking, OK.

Thanks!  I always considered us friends, with our common background with crappy moderating.   

[BassWrangler]

Thanks!  I always considered us friends, with our common background with crappy moderating.   

Indeed.

[BassWrangler]

Where did they actually do a hand count without machines?

Georgia.

[Hoodat]

Georgia.

In Georgia, they did a hand count of what came out of the machines.  They did not check for signatures.  They did not check for duplicates.  They did not exclude ballots that were photocopied.  Ballots were not secured.  Count discrepancies went unrecorded.

[BassWrangler]

In Georgia, they did a hand count of what came out of the machines.  They did not check for signatures.  They did not check for duplicates.  They did not exclude ballots that were photocopied.  Ballots were not secured.  Count discrepancies went unrecorded.

Yes, I am aware of all this, and it's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed, which is whether this "Kraken" theory of the software quietly moving votes from one candidate to the other is accurate.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Were the military ballots ever counted?? 

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[BassWrangler]

Were the military ballots ever counted?? 

Good question. I remember it being discussed, but never heard or read any update about it happening.

[Hoodat]

Yes, I am aware of all this, and it's completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed, which is whether this "Kraken" theory of the software quietly moving votes from one candidate to the other is accurate.

Without a proper audit, there is no way to know.  From the recounts I saw, each table was told in advance what each batch was supposed to total.  At tables where discrepancies occurred, the person delivering and collecting batches still recorded them as accurate.  Ballot tallies were not double-authenticated as they were typed into a software package.  And the ballots themselves were not secure.  Boxes were steadily going in and out of sight, some delivered to counting tables, and others left on shelves.

The final tallies were the only numbers checked.  Precinct tallies were lost in the shuffle as ballots were pre-segregated in each batch.  It would not have been difficult to prepare enough photocopies of ballots after the election to match the Dominion numbers.

In other words, the recount was never designed to uncover Dominion fraud, or any fraud for that matter.   The sole purpose of the recount by design was to provide cover for the Governor and Secretary of State.  That was clear to everyone there.

[BassWrangler]

Without a proper audit, there is no way to know.  From the recounts I saw, each table was told in advance what each batch was supposed to total.  At tables where discrepancies occurred, the person delivering and collecting batches still recorded them as accurate.  Ballot tallies were not double-authenticated as they were typed into a software package.  And the ballots themselves were not secure.  Boxes were steadily going in and out of sight, some delivered to counting tables, and others left on shelves.

The final tallies were the only numbers checked.  Precinct tallies were lost in the shuffle as ballots were pre-segregated in each batch.  It would not have been difficult to prepare enough photocopies of ballots after the election to match the Dominion numbers.

In other words, the recount was never designed to uncover Dominion fraud, or any fraud for that matter.   The sole purpose of the recount by design was to provide cover for the Governor and Secretary of State.  That was clear to everyone there.

I'm not sure why you are telling me this. It's obvious, and does not seem to be in dispute here. More importantly, it's completely irrelevant to my point, which is that although there is fraud, the "Kraken" theory seems to be unlikely.

Since people seem to not have read my previous post, I'll repost it here:

I think several folks here are conflating several issues. It is very possible (I think likely) that the Biden camp committed election fraud! One can believe this without signing on to this "Kraken" theory. Some ways they could cheat:

• Manufacturing bogus ballots
• Vote harvesting
• Submitting an absentee or mail-in ballot for someone else (same as the dead voting)
• Voting in multiple jurisdictions
• Uploading pre-loaded votes from a USB drive into one or more Dominion machines
• Bypassing the duplicate ballot detection of the vote scanning machines and then running batches through multiple times

Regarding the pause, I agree that this is extremely suspicious. I believe that the pause was the fraud organizers checking the tallies and realizing that Trump was getting more votes than they expected and that therefor they needed to manufacture more Biden votes to overcome this. They then took action to do so. None of this requires that you believe the Kraken theory.

The reason that I don't believe the Kraken theory, which is that Dominion servers were programmed to move some percentage of votes from Trump to Biden, is that it can easily be detected by a hand recount. The results from the hand recount in Georgia back up my beliefs.

In fact, I suspect the Kraken theory was planted by leftists so that technologically naive Trump supporters, like Sidney Powell, would start repeating it and in doing so discredit themselves.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm not sure why you are telling me this. It's obvious, and does not seem to be in dispute here. More importantly, it's completely irrelevant to my point, which is that although there is fraud, the "Kraken" theory seems to be unlikely.

Since people seem to not have read my previous post, I'll repost it here:

I read your previous post, and frankly, I believe ALL of those methods were used, in the event that one form of fraud or another in specific locations was discovered. That gives the segments of fraud a severability that ensures that while some may be discovered and even remedied in some places, the overwhelming majority of the fraud would go through claimed to be legitimate, which would be enough to carry the contest.

As for flipping votes, it took a little digging to find this, especially since much on fecebook and twatter is being purged.

Link to press release: https://voterga.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/press-release-dominion-system-flips-trump-votes-to-biden-in-ga-county-1.pdf

Press release index page: https://voterga.org/press-releases/

Home page of the organization: https://voterga.org/

This information in the press release has been posted on this site before,, reported by other sources.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2020/12/05/trump-legal-team-witness-alleged-that-ware-county-audit-results-revealed-dominion-machine-flipped-ballots-from-trump-to-biden/ Hand recount showed flipped votes for Biden.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I read your previous post, and frankly, I believe ALL of those methods were used, in the event that one form of fraud or another in specific locations was discovered. That gives the segments of fraud a severability that ensures that while some may be discovered and even remedied in some places, the overwhelming majority of the fraud would go through claimed to be legitimate, which would be enough to carry the contest.

As for flipping votes, it took a little digging to find this, especially since much on fecebook and twatter is being purged.

Link to press release: https://voterga.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/press-release-dominion-system-flips-trump-votes-to-biden-in-ga-county-1.pdf

Press release index page: https://voterga.org/press-releases/

Home page of the organization: https://voterga.org/

This information in the press release has been posted on this site before,, reported by other sources.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2020/12/05/trump-legal-team-witness-alleged-that-ware-county-audit-results-revealed-dominion-machine-flipped-ballots-from-trump-to-biden/ Hand recount showed flipped votes for Biden.

Here is one of those 'technologically naive Trump supporters' supporting Trump, who happens to be one of the smartest persons on the face of the earth in cyber security

First and foremost is Dr. Navid Keshavarz-Nia, an experienced cyber crimes investigator and digital security executive, who has worked with the CIA, NSA, FBI, and U.S. military counterintelligence, as well as corporate financial giants like Deutsche Bank and Stripe.

In an affidavit filed with Powell’s complaint in a Georgia court before midnight Wednesday, Keshavarz-Nia had this bombshell assessment.

“I conclude with high confidence that the election 2020 data were altered in all battleground states resulting in hundreds of thousands of votes that were cast for President Trump to be transferred to Vice President Biden.”

These alterations, he added, resulted from widespread vulnerabilities in voting software and systems that allowed a “Man-in-the-Middle cyber attack” by covert operators.
https://californiaglobe.com/fr/how-a-guy-in-temecula-could-save-the-election-for-trump/

[BassWrangler]

I read your previous post, and frankly, I believe ALL of those methods were used, in the event that one form of fraud or another in specific locations was discovered. That gives the segments of fraud a severability that ensures that while some may be discovered and even remedied in some places, the overwhelming majority of the fraud would go through claimed to be legitimate, which would be enough to carry the contest.

As for flipping votes, it took a little digging to find this, especially since much on fecebook and twatter is being purged.

Link to press release: https://voterga.files.wordpress.com/2020/12/press-release-dominion-system-flips-trump-votes-to-biden-in-ga-county-1.pdf

Press release index page: https://voterga.org/press-releases/

Home page of the organization: https://voterga.org/

This information in the press release has been posted on this site before,, reported by other sources.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2020/12/05/trump-legal-team-witness-alleged-that-ware-county-audit-results-revealed-dominion-machine-flipped-ballots-from-trump-to-biden/ Hand recount showed flipped votes for Biden.

37 votes. The "Kraken" allegation is that this is being done in numbers big enough to change the winner. 37 votes doesn't qualify.

[BassWrangler]

Here is one of those 'technologically naive Trump supporters' supporting Trump, who happens to be one of the smartest persons on the face of the earth in cyber security

Well, if that's the case, let's see the evidence. I'd like nothing better than for Sydney to save the day.

[Cyber Liberty]

37 votes. The "Kraken" allegation is that this is being done in numbers big enough to change the winner. 37 votes doesn't qualify.

That was in one small County that used the same Dominion tabulators that were used all over the state.  Are you prepared to say that affected only one machine, and the rest of them worked just fine?

I know folks like to make fun of Sidney Powell's comment.  It's part of the leftists push to mock instead of disprove logically Trump's arguments.  Y'all have had five years of practice, and "practice makes perfect."

[BassWrangler]

That was in one small County that used the same Dominion tabulators that were used all over the state.  Are you prepared to say that affected only one machine, and the rest of them worked just fine?

I know folks like to make fun of Sidney Powell's comment.  It's part of the leftists push to mock instead of disprove logically Trump's arguments.  Y'all have had five years of practice, and "practice makes perfect."

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, wouldn't such discrepancies have shown up in the full state hand recount?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Well, if that's the case, let's see the evidence. I'd like nothing better than for Sydney to save the day.

The evidence has already been presented to you even on this forum, yet you are refusing to accept.

Nothing one would say or facts presented will change some people' minds.

If one doesn't believe an utmost authority in cyber security who has an entire lifetime of reputation at stake, why would you believe anything else?

So go ahead on your merry way and believe all those Trump supporters are 'technologically naïve'.

[bigheadfred]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, wouldn't such discrepancies have shown up in the full state hand recount?

Did they do a HAND recount?

[Cyber Liberty]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, wouldn't such discrepancies have shown up in the full state hand recount?

Not the way it was done.   

Counting without auditing is worthless because it just recounts with the same glaring errors.

[BassWrangler]

Did they do a HAND recount?

Yes they did.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes they did.

I don't think it was a 100% recount, and as I stated, with the same bogus ballots.

[BassWrangler]

Not the way it was done.   

Counting without auditing is worthless because it just recounts with the same glaring errors.

Not the point. If the Dominion software had been swapping Trump and Biden votes in any significant quantities, then when you did the hand recount you would get a significantly different result and the problem would be glaringly obvious. This didn't happen.

The AUDIT that Trump team has requested is to catch other issues, most importantly signature mismatches that would catch the scam absentee ballots that election-sow Stacey Abrams' organization submitted.

[bigheadfred]

I don't think it was a 100% recount, and as I stated, with the same bogus ballots.

A dog and pony excrement show.

[txradioguy]

Not the way it was done.   

Counting without auditing is worthless because it just recounts with the same glaring errors.

Same thing for not verifying the signatures.