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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2020, 01:04:01 am »
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To you're credit, at least your honest!

Thank you!  Honest is something John Sidney McCain III had no acquaintance with and the same goes for any number of current and former United States Senators.  John F'n Kerry and Sidney Blumenthal to name just two who immediately come to mind.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2020, 01:10:13 am »
Quote from: Bigun on December 02, 2020, 01:04:01 am
Thank you!  Honest is something John Sidney McCain III had no acquaintance with and the same goes for any number of current and former United States Senators.  John F'n Kerry and Sidney Blumenthal to name just two who immediately come to mind.

I think you mean Richard Blumenthal.  Sidney was "Sid Vicious" in the Clinton machine, Bill's literal hatchet man.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2020, 01:14:20 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 02, 2020, 01:10:13 am
I think you mean Richard Blumenthal.  Sidney was "Sid Vicious" in the Clinton machine, Bill's literal hatchet man.

 :yowsa:  Thank you for the correction @Cyber Liberty
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2020, 01:21:45 am »
Quote from: Bigun on December 02, 2020, 01:14:20 am
:yowsa:  Thank you for the correction @Cyber Liberty

Well, they both suck, so.....

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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2020, 01:43:37 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on December 01, 2020, 03:45:54 pm
Admiral John S. McCain Sr., the grandfather, died in 1945, when McCain III was 11 years old. So he could not have "got him out of prison". And he could not "got him out of that too". This is news to you, @LegalAmerican?
As I've posted on TBR multiple times, in detail, John S. McCain III could not possibly have caused the Forrestal fire. For the simple reason that all the strike planes were positioned along the Forrestal's aft and quarter deck edges with their exhausts pointed out to sea. This disproves:
* The McCain-caused-the-Zuni-to-launch version of this stupid conspiracy theory;
* It disproves the McCain-ignited-the-spilled-jet-fuel version of this stupid conspiracy theory;
*  It disproves any other version of this stupid conspiracy theory, because there is no way McCain's exhaust could affect any other plane or equipment on the USS Forrestal; McCain had no plane behind him and his exhaust blew out to sea.
I have less than zero love for the late Sen. McCain, but the truth is the truth even when you might dislike it. McCain could not have caused the Forrestal fire.
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Pete, when you point out reality to certain posters you need lengthy preparation.
Before your next attempt, suggest you begin by constructing a brick wall, then
placing your chair some 4 feet in front and and repeat your argument, ever louder,
till the wall responds: OK, OK, YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG; SO I APOLOGIZE.
 
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2020, 01:49:29 am »
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed; IMHO he was very detrimental to our Republic and to conservatism.  I really feel he doesn't deserve to be discussed any further.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2020, 01:57:25 am »
Quote from: Absalom on December 02, 2020, 01:43:37 am
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Pete, when you point out reality to certain posters you need lengthy preparation.
Before your next attempt, suggest you begin by constructing a brick wall, then
placing your chair some 4 feet in front and and repeating your argument, ever louder,
till the wall responds: OK, OK, YOU'RE RIGHT AND I'M WRONG; SO I APOLOGIZE.
 

I agree with @PeteS in CA about the Forrestal, and I also think McCain is the worst spittle-spewing scumbag I ever met.  I trust my experience more than your books on Ancient History that have no relationship with the jerks we have running the USA in the 21st Century. 

If you want to get current, I suggest you start reading Churchill, WF Buckley.  Stuff from the past couple centuries like Bastiat and de Tocqueville.  Your ancient Greek ain't cutting it, Peloponnesia doesn't either.  All quoting them gets you is a reputation of being an ignorant genius.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2020, 01:58:50 am »
Quote from: libertybele on December 02, 2020, 01:49:29 am
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed; IMHO he was very detrimental to our Republic and to conservatism.  I really feel he doesn't deserve to be discussed any further.

I suppose he does not, except his pill-popping wife and deranged children have no intention of letting that carcass rot.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #133 on: December 02, 2020, 02:13:35 am »
Quote from: libertybele on December 02, 2020, 01:49:29 am
Quite frankly, I was relieved when McCain passed.
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Your appalling comment defines you forever!
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #134 on: December 02, 2020, 02:19:36 am »
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Your appalling comment defines you forever!

Pretty nasty stuff.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #135 on: December 02, 2020, 02:26:02 am »
Quote from: Absalom on December 02, 2020, 02:13:35 am
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Your appalling comment defines you forever!
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 02, 2020, 02:19:36 am
Pretty nasty stuff.

Are you appalled that I was delighted to read his Obituary?
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2020, 02:28:11 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 02, 2020, 02:26:02 am
Are you appalled that I was delighted to read his Obituary?

And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2020, 02:44:30 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 02, 2020, 02:28:11 am
And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

He's no hero to me, @Weird Tolkienish Figure.  And, what's a "former?"
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« Reply #138 on: December 02, 2020, 02:50:57 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 02, 2020, 02:28:11 am
And you’re a mod here who was clutching his pearls when I called formers nutjobs...

Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

THIS is a hero @Weird Tolkienish Figure


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John Sidney McCain III isn't worthy to scrape the dog shit off of his boots!
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #139 on: December 02, 2020, 02:54:32 am »
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THIS is a hero @Weird Tolkienish Figure


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John Sidney McCain III isn't worthy to scrape the dog shit off of his boots!

Nor is he worthy of further discussion.  Just let him die. Period.

Otherwise we're likely to see some kind of despicable, bogus, hero worshiping documentary about him.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #140 on: December 02, 2020, 03:12:49 am »
The definition of a hero.  Stayed in hell when he had a free pass out. 
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #141 on: December 02, 2020, 03:31:28 am »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 02, 2020, 02:28:11 am


Dancing in a hero’s grave is pretty disgusting, cyber.

Sorry, when he took the criminal Keating route, and back stabbed the GOP and conservatives in the back repeatedly.....  He forfeited that title. 
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #142 on: December 02, 2020, 04:18:54 am »
Quote from: Absalom on December 02, 2020, 12:05:03 am
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McCain, as a mortal was flawed, as his detractors incessantly remind us.
In contrast, he received the Distinguished Flying Cross and the Silver Star,
among many, for gallantry and valor in wartime action.
Which of these two decorations did you receive????????????????????????


Nice try at deflection. 

You can be a great and brave pilot and still be a first class pr*ck. 

McCain was neither great nor brave.  He was simply a pilot (and only thanks to dad).

His failings as a human being were many and well documented. 

I am sorry, but I can't help that.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #143 on: December 02, 2020, 04:52:02 am »
Quote from: HikerGuy83 on December 02, 2020, 04:18:54 am
Nice try at deflection. 
You can be a great and brave pilot and still be a first class bleep. 
McCain was neither great nor brave.  He was simply a pilot (and only thanks to dad).
His failings as a human being were many and well documented. 
I am sorry, but I can't help that.
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McCain, notwithstanding his warts, was a War Prisoner who received
the Silver Star, our third highest ranking award for heroism/valor, plus
the DCF; yet you, who earned zero, argue he was neither brave nor great.
What might help is to cease making an embarrassment of yourself.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #144 on: December 02, 2020, 05:07:54 am »
Quote from: Absalom on December 02, 2020, 04:52:02 am
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McCain, notwithstanding his warts, was a War Prisoner who received
the Silver Star, our third highest ranking award for heroism/valor, plus
the DCF; yet you, who earned zero, argue he was neither brave nor great.
What you could help is to cease making an embarrassment of yourself.


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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #145 on: December 02, 2020, 05:09:18 am »
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John McCain was the pinnacle of honor his whole life.   *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #146 on: December 02, 2020, 05:16:38 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 02, 2020, 02:44:30 am
He's no hero to me, @Weird Tolkienish Figure.  And, what's a "former?"


Neither to the men,  that had to serve with him!   :thumbsup:
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #147 on: December 02, 2020, 05:18:56 am »
I guess we can write good things about Hitler, since he is dead?  As death makes one 'wonderful'?  A SAINT TO BE REVERED?
So what,  a nasty person is dead.  That does not mean, I will like him.   OR can't tell truth about him.   
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« Reply #148 on: December 02, 2020, 01:07:27 pm »
Quote from: LegalAmerican on December 02, 2020, 05:18:56 am
I guess we can write good things about Hitler, since he is dead?  As death makes one 'wonderful'?  A SAINT TO BE REVERED?
So what,  a nasty person is dead.  That does not mean, I will like him.   OR can't tell truth about him.

Ok, so now you're comparing him to Hitler?

Wishy-washiness on politics does not make him Hitler.
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« Reply #149 on: December 02, 2020, 02:21:44 pm »
Quote from: Weird Tolkienish Figure on December 02, 2020, 01:07:27 pm
Ok, so now you're comparing him to Hitler?

Wishy-washiness on politics does not make him Hitler.

Gleefully voting for Obamacare on your death bed as a "stick it the eye" to Trump and conservatives is hardly what I would call "wishy-washy".  I repeat...... he was a Keating criminal and back stabber of the hightest degree.
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