Trump’s triumphant-end run around the Democrats

[libertybele]

LOL!

In the REAL world, many people don't have enough money to pay their rent.  Or, to feed their children ice-cream when they deserve it.

In the REAL world, those landlords are on the hook for mucho dinero.  In the REAL world, equity loans on real estate are only for certain zip codes and/or credit scores.

They need the help yesterday.  Not in the coming weeks when the Democrats...who thrive on misery to maintain their base, decide it's the time to appear like some White Knight.

Donald Trump snuck up on Nancy and Chuck and yanked their pants down around their ankles.

And, he ain't even a politician.   

 

What he did is likely to be challenged in court -- so that will only delay the assistance.  The tax holiday isn't going to do a whole lot especially since it's only deferred.  Secondly this does little to help those who own the properties who's tenants will be given extensions to not pay rent.  It's a "trickle down" disaster --- John Doe own the property and won't receive the income from his rentals and therefore he hasn't the money to pay his bills or buy food -- and Jack Jones meanwhile is collecting $$ and sitting in the house that he owns without having to pay squat; nor any incentive to find a job.  Gee, what's wrong with that picture?

People need to go back to work.  They need jobs. Incentives to employers to hire - incentives for retraining.  Incentives for people to go back to work.  Infrastructure projects? 

Putting us trillions more into debt and throwing money at the situation which will only put a small band-aid on a huge open sore for a short period of time isn't the answer!  What's gong to happen at the end of this time period?  Throw another trillion at the situation?  You don't keep doing the same thing if it isn't working!  Especially since the DEMS are behind it!

[catfish1957]

I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money.  My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress. 

That should give us all pause.

More than pause.  How about outright anger.

[libertybele]

I'm having a difficult time cheering a President who just beat the Rats to the punch on the subject of spending more taxpayer money.  My problem is he just appropriated our money without an act of Congress. 

That should give us all pause.

   Absolutely right!

[libertybele]

More than pause.  How about outright anger.

Especially since it's nothing more than a political maneuver to attempt to sway votes.  No better than the DEMS political jockeying!

[catfish1957]

What's at stake...THREE MONTHS OUT!!!   BUEHLER???

Say Trump wins....  Any guarantee this madness ends there?  I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.

[DCPatriot]

What he did is likely to be challenged in court -- so that will only delay the assistance.  The tax holiday isn't going to do a whole lot especially since it's only deferred.  Secondly this does little to help those who own the properties who's tenants will be given extensions to not pay rent.  It's a "trickle down" disaster --- John Doe own the property and won't receive the income from his rentals and therefore he hasn't the money to pay his bills or buy food -- and Jack Jones meanwhile is collecting $$ and sitting in the house that he owns without having to pay squat; nor any incentive to find a job.  Gee, what's wrong with that picture?

People need to go back to work.  They need jobs. Incentives to employers to hire - incentives for retraining.  Incentives for people to go back to work.  Infrastructure projects? 

Putting us trillions more into debt and throwing money at the situation which will only put a small band-aid on a huge open sore for a short period of time isn't the answer!  What's gong to happen at the end of this time period?  Throw another trillion at the situation?  You don't keep doing the same thing if it isn't working!  Especially since the DEMS are behind it!

I realize all of that, @libertybele

But the Democrats have essentially cut a sewer line in our basement.

And while @roamer_1  et al stand around bitching about who can do it cheaper, President Trump had it already pumped out and a new pipe installed.

90 Days my friend....   

[Cyber Liberty]

What's at stake...THREE MONTHS OUT!!!   BUEHLER???

The Republic as Founded with a Constitution that is respected and accepted as the best human experiment in recorded history.  THAT's what's at stake.  And if USA goes back to 2009 with a vengeance many people are going to die.

Like it or not, WE'RE ALL inside The Alamo right now. 

But lookie here!   Donald Trump had a tunnel dug to bring in supplies to keep peoples' cash flow... I mean to keep weapons loaded so that we can fight and eat another day.

And the analogy isn't that silly once you sit down and look around.

I see your point, I'm just disappointed about the bribing of the voters with their own money.  Doesn't matter to me which Party does it.  Can it make it more likely Trump wins the election?  Probably.

[DCPatriot]

Say Trump wins....  Any guarantee this madness ends there?  I think it will just enbolden the DC drunken sailors.

His main focus is getting past the election, otherwise as Metallica says, Nothing Else Matters.

He 'sees' a return to 2017-2019 America.  So easy, it's like flipping a switch.

For, this 'Pandemic' 's origin is going to be made public...with names...or, it's going to disappear like Russian Collusion and Yugoslavia Quid-Pro Quo and all other pathetic examples of bullsh*t meant to take down this Presidency.

[libertybele]

I realize all of that, @libertybele

But the Democrats have essentially cut a sewer line in our basement.

And while @roamer_1  et al stand around bitching about who can do it cheaper, President Trump had it already pumped out and a new pipe installed.

90 Days my friend....   

Be it 30 days putting us deeper in the hole or 90 days (around election day, I get that) putting us deeper into the hole, the question that isn't answered or resolved here is what happens after the 90 days and people, who have had absolutely no incentive to get back to work or no jobs for them?  Throw another trillion or two?? 

Looking at the bigger picture here and just not a temporary lousy band-aid that isn't going to do jack.

[Jazzhead]

Brilliant move by the President.   It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.   

Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.   

Let the Dems sue.   Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality.  Their intransigence forced the President's hand.  Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming.    Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election. 

And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it? 

Brilliant.     

[libertybele]

I see your point, I'm just disappointed about the bribing of the voters with their own money.  Doesn't matter to me which Party does it.  Can it make it more likely Trump wins the election?  Probably.

Unless the DEMS come up with a much larger spending spree.  It could easily backfire and the DEMS will win anyways and they have been wanting and promoting socialism and they will get their way -- after all, people are now getting used to not having to work and getting $$ to do nothing! Socialism is already under way!!

Even IF Trump should get re-elected --- the DEMS will continue to push for these stimulus packages.  If they don't get them?  You will see people revolting for $$.  Do you think revolting is rampant in some cities now?   Just wait.  I don't think we've seen anything yet.

[DCPatriot]

Brilliant move by the President.   It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.   

Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.   

Let the Dems sue.   Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality.  Their intransigence forced the President's hand.  Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming.    Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election. 

And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it? 

Brilliant.   

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Brilliant move by the President.   It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.   

Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.   

Let the Dems sue.   Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality.  Their intransigence forced the President's hand.  Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming.    Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election. 

And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it? 

Brilliant.   

A question for you, @Jazzhead.  Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress?  We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally? 

I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.

[catfish1957]

His main focus is getting past the election, otherwise as Metallica says, Nothing Else Matters.

He 'sees' a return to 2017-2019 America.  So easy, it's like flipping a switch.

For, this 'Pandemic' 's origin is going to be made public...with names...or, it's going to disappear like Russian Collusion and Yugoslavia Quid-Pro Quo and all other pathetic examples of bullsh*t meant to take down this Presidency.

I agree.  Plus, how many additonal extra Trillions is a Biden victory going to cost us.

[catfish1957]

A question for you, @Jazzhead.  Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress?  We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally? 

I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.

I was always under the impression that POTUS had no power to directly appropriate anything.  Guess we are going to find out soon.

[Cyber Liberty]

I was always under the impression that POTUS had no power to directly appropriate anything.  Guess we are going to find out soon.

We've known he has the discretion to shift spending some, but this looks like a clear appropriation of taxpayer money.   

[skeeter]

Brilliant move by the President.   It is one thing to practice the politics of chicken in normal times, and quite another to do so when millions forced to the economic sidelines by government order have just lost, or about to lose, their means of day to day life support.   

Trump's orders show he is concerned about the impact of politicians playing games with peoples' lives.   

Let the Dems sue.   Let 'em call the courts and whine about constitutionality.  Their intransigence forced the President's hand.  Let the courts slap down the President with an election looming.    Trump just assured everyone clobbered by the response to this pandemic that they will be able to stay in their homes and keep food on their table through the election. 

And as for after the election, well, that's all up to us, isn't it? 

Brilliant.   

 

There is a profound difference between the way it should be and the way it is, unfortunately.

Or, extreme times call for extreme measures. Pick your maxim.

[skeeter]

We've known he has the discretion to shift spending some, but this looks like a clear appropriation of taxpayer money.   

It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.

Which is it?

[catfish1957]

It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.

Which is it?

Because if he was so inclined,Trump could veto spending plans, but has chose not to.

[libertybele]

It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.

Which is it?

Trump has always shined as far as the economy and his abilities with financial dealings.  Looking back before the pandemic hit we had a robust economy, people back to work and low unemployment (I'm sure you're aware).

The disappointment is him throwing $$ and putting us more into debt rather than coming up with a solid plan to get the economy going.  People are hurting.  Some more than others. 

(One of the biggest problems are states who haven't paid out anything to people who are in need (FL DeSantis) or haven't paid their full claims.  Trump needs to ensure somehow that they remedied by the States! That would help!  He's now relying on those same states to pay a portion of this.  I don't see how when some states haven't paid out what people were due the first round.  There are people in FL who still have not received a dime from the first round.  DeSantis even just admitted that the system was designed not to pay out.  He's known about it and has done nothing.)

Sure I understand people were tossed out of work through no fault of their own and a round of stimulus $$ to help along with extended benefits was helpful.  I can swallow that pill.  But, to arbitrarily take money and re-appropriate it that drives us deeper into debt is not one that I can give him a pass on.  People need to get  back to work and not an incentive not to work.  People need jobs.

[Cyber Liberty]

It just doesn't seem fair, then, that many here continually beat on Trump because of the debt.

Which is it?

It's one thing to argue about not vetoing bills, and quite another to bypass Congress entirely to give the Rats what they demand.  What's perplexing is that it just might work in pulling in Rat voters, making it the first instance of a Republican successfully out-Democrating the Democrats.

Does that put it in the "Win" or the "Lose" column?

[skeeter]

Because if he was so inclined,Trump could veto spending plans, but has chose not to.

So the only option is for him to just say no.

I think that'd be wonderful as well. But I also understand that it would lead to Trump being throw out of office and the spending simply re-instated.

[skeeter]

It's one thing to argue about not vetoing bills, and quite another to bypass Congress entirely to give the Rats what they demand.  What's perplexing is that it just might work in pulling in Rat voters, making it the first instance of a Republican successfully out-Democrating the Democrats.

Does that put it in the "Win" or the "Lose" column?

I see no alternative. Do you?

[Cyber Liberty]

I see no alternative. Do you?

Nope.  None.

[Jazzhead]

A question for you, @Jazzhead.  Is it legal for a President to appropriate money without Congress?  We've been talking about whether it's good politically, but what about legally? 

I fully expect we'll learn about how that's been going on for decades already.

It looks like he's taking a couple of approaches.  He's shifting already appropriated but unspent monies from emergency funds.   That's good - murder of the economy by neglect of Congress is an emergency.   

He is also declaring a payroll tax holiday but by law those amounts will need to be paid next year.  He is daring Congress to pass the law that will sanction a "true " holiday.

I think this is all legal, ballsy and brilliant.