TRUMP FLOATS ELECTION DELAY

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nice. Just endless personal insults against other posters and you think it is clever... All emotion. No thought.

I'm guessing you don't see the irony in your post.   

God love ya.

[roamer_1]

Where is that Hegelian dialectic?  You argue all the time here that both sides are the same!  What am I missing here @roamer_1

@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.

That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?

Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.

And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.

[roamer_1]

Nice. Just endless personal insults against other posters and you think it is clever... All emotion. No thought.

No worries. It's all she's got, bless her heart.

[bigheadfred]

DEM JOOOOOS? Nah bruh. You can look closer to home.

Not dem joos. I am looking at it. The true levers of power.

[roamer_1]

Not dem joos. I am looking at it. The true levers of power.

Right. Mammon. The root of all evil... I feel ya.

BUT, what locks it in?  Why can't it change?

[EdinVA]

@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.

That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?

Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.

And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.

So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..

[roamer_1]

So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..

Nah. That ain't what you're fighting for. Y'all pick at the gnat, and swallow the camel.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.

That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?

Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.

And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.

I hope you aren't including me in that "Yall" @roamer_1 because I well know where it is headed and have said so many time in the past on this very forum.  NONE of that is new! In fact, that has been going on since before the ink was dry on the Constitution! The ONLY place you and I disagree is on how to fight it and apparently that is not likely to change.

[DB]

So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..

No.

We're saying until you demand more from your party nothing is going to change.

You've limited yourself to the false choice of one or the other.

By them knowing you will vote for them no matter what they do they are empowered to do whatever they please as long as it isn't worse than what the other side is doing. So no matter who is elected things only get worse sliding further and further to the left.

When they actually have to earn your vote and do what they said they were going to do will things have a chance at changing for the better.

But right now they own you.

[roamer_1]

I hope you aren't including me in that "Yall" @roamer_1 because I well know where it is headed and have said so many time in the past on this very forum.  NONE of that is new! In fact, that has been going on since before the ink was dry on the Constitution! The ONLY place you and I disagree is on how to fight it and apparently that is not likely to change.

I got nothing against you @Bigun , and nothing but respect. You and me have a whole lot of trail behind us.

How to fight it has always been the same, and that to protect the principles of the factions of Conservatism. The opposite of that is happening now. An exercise in futility. Even from an electoral view.

[EdinVA]

No.

We're saying until you demand more from your party nothing is going to change.

You've limited yourself to the false choice of one or the other.

By them knowing you will vote for them no matter what they do they are empowered to do whatever they please as long as it isn't worse than what the other side is doing. So no matter who is elected things only get worse sliding further and further to the left.

When they actually have to earn your vote and do what they said they were going to do will things have a chance at changing for the better.

But right now they own you.

Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.

[Bigun]

Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.

The only thing I can figure @EdinVA is a that there are some few here who are part of the crowd who advocate letting it all crash and burn then rebuild from the ashes.

Never going to happen!

"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world."

Daniel Webster, 1851

[Idiot]

@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.

That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?

Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.

And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.

Hmmm...Repubs pro life.....Dems pro death.....   How is that the same?

[EdinVA]

The only thing I can figure @EdinVA is a that there are some few here who are part of the crowd who advocate letting it all crash and burn then rebuild from the ashes.

Never going to happen!

"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world."

Daniel Webster, 1851

Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.

[DB]

Hmmm...Repubs pro life.....Dems pro death.....   How is that the same?

Repubs being pro life is fading fast.

[DB]

Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.

It isn't surrender.

It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.

That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.

If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.

Simple as that.

[Bigun]

Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.

My entire political life in one picture!

[Idiot]

It isn't surrender.

It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.

That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.

If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.

Simple as that.

So what does a person do?  Sit around and bellyache about things, but DO NOTHING?  Seems like that's what I'm hearing here.  Not that there's anything wrong with that....LOLOLOL (Insert Seinfeld reference).

[DB]

Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.

Doing what Republicans have been doing is how we got here. No principles. No spine. Lesser evil. The evil has reached critical mass now.

[EdinVA]

It isn't surrender.

It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.

That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.

If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.

Simple as that.

Well, I happen to believe that if the Marxists win, it will be our last election and I will not surrender.

If you do not participate (vote) it is surrender and I will guarantee that you will NEVER get that vote back.

[DB]

So what does a person do?  Sit around and bellyache about things, but DO NOTHING?  Seems like that's what I'm hearing here.  Not that there's anything wrong with that....LOLOLOL (Insert Seinfeld reference).

No.

We need to vote FOR someone that has earned it not the lesser evil. And have the courage to stick with the one we vote FOR instead crawling in fear voting for the one "who can win" at the last moment. The truth is if we had the courage to stick to our guns as a unified front we get something accomplished instead of chasing the shiny star power of some populist candidate.

California is a great example. Tom McClintock was the leading candidate for governor in 2003. An actual principled conservative. And then Arnold stepped in. A Hollywood "Republican" but actually a populist. He talked the good talk. His opponents were "girly men". The Republicans went off chasing the "straight talker" and glitter instead of someone of character. Arnold got elected and was a total disaster.

2016 was a replay of that at the national level.

[bigheadfred]

Right. Mammon. The root of all evil... I feel ya.

BUT, what locks it in?  Why can't it change?

People are asking the wrong question.  Seeking the wrong answer.

They want to be ruled. They desire a king. So they invent one. It is impatience. They want instant gratification.

You nor I or anyone was meant to be ruled over. By any other person.

[Absalom]

The Republic as founded has been gone since 1865 and even liberal historians like Shelby Foote have admitted the fact.  What to call what we were left with at that point is debatable (I like Commercial Empire myself) and even that is in great jeopardy of being lost forever real soon.

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Bigun, on the mark as usual.
Predictably, the usual suspects posting are in tears,"Cuz it just ain't fair"!

[EdinVA]

Doing what Republicans have been doing is how we got here. No principles. No spine. Lesser evil. The evil has reached critical mass now.

Well, separating the wheat from the chaff, politicians being the chaff, non-liberals are the ones working, raising kids, paying mortgages and have "trusted" their representatives to do their jobs so we can do ours.  That is what has to change.  Just going to the polls once a year and pulling our lever is not enough.  We have to be the spine, but we have to keep pushing and fighting otherwise it is surrender.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It isn't surrender.  It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.

This is repeated often around Briefer City, in one form or another.  I don't think it's so much "surrender" as abject ignorance.

To think we can affect change going forward by turning all levers of government and the courts over to the Socialists for a generation belies even a rudimentary understanding of how things are going to work if we lose this election.

We will have no voice.  We will have no influence, we will have no place in the White House, no vote in either the house or the senate.  And if one voice should sneak through, the courts will stifle it.

We will become everything the Socialists/Marists demand of us or we will lose income, home and our modicum of security. They're not going to wait for us to surrender, they're going to take all of it --- from us. 

If ever there was a time to live in the moment, this is it.