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I got that. My point is unless there's a call for help from the local/state governments or a clarion call from a state's citizens I just don't see the President garnishing the support to march the US military into Chicago, Minneapolis or New York City. 

I just don't -- and I firmly believe he wants to.

Oh, just stop it!  If Trump has no right to do anything tell him to shut up.  I bet I am not the only Conservative that isn't explaining away why Trump doesn't make sense.  If he is just going to continue to wait on liberal government he should say so.  Why the heck is he saying he is going to do something 4 times?

I get it.  People like you just can't control what comes out of the presidents mouth.  You got the plan to let the country go to hell and Trump isn't getting it. 
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Right in Va comments:
"We may need to fight this battle the old fashioned way ... at the ballot box."

We're approaching that point where the ballot box isn't going "to work" any longer.
That point has already arrived in some parts of the country (Portland, Seattle, New York, Chicago, San Fran, perhaps even in DC).

You aren't going to "bring these populations back" via ballots.
Or by reason or logic.
Something else is going to be required.

Short of that, they ain't coming back.
And they're going to take out MORE parts of the country through the spread of their poison.

What will stop them?

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Oh, just stop it!  If Trump has no right to do anything tell him to shut up.  I bet I am not the only Conservative that isn't explaining away why Trump doesn't make sense.  If he is just going to continue to wait on liberal government he should say so.  Why the heck is he saying he is going to do something 4 times?

I get it.  People like you just can't control what comes out of the presidents mouth.  You got the plan to let the country go to hell and Trump isn't getting it.
You rant well, but what do YOU propose be done?
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I got that. My point is unless there's a call for help from the local/state governments or a clarion call from a state's citizens I just don't see the President garnishing the support to march the US military into Chicago, Minneapolis or New York City. 

I just don't -- and I firmly believe he wants to.
That sort of thing has happened in more sane parts of America, where groups of locals got together with local LEOs and moved to nip this anarchy in the bud. Not once, but twice in the nearest town, the BLM protest was met with a significant group of folks on motorcycles having a nearby gathering of their own, and while exercising their Second Amendment rights, too.
But that was in areas where the local government had the good sense to just STFU and let the matter be handled, unofficially. While the protest proceeded (twice), there was no rioting, no looting, and those who showed were only the tip of the local iceberg that gave a chilly reception.

There is, however an additional risk in most of those jurisdictions, in that the handwringers and Karens and pantywaists would have a cartwheeling fit over armed conservatives in large numbers, and would then call in the National assets, not on their fellow Marxists, but the property and business owners who showed up to defend their homes, persons, families, and cities. There can be no illusion that if that remedy is sought in those urban, Marxist, Democrat-run environs, it will have to be pursued to completion, not mere capitulation, and that such acts will quickly become in the media a casus belli to take up arms against the very patriots who quelled the insurrection.

That national attempts to infringe the Civil Rights of those who even might stand for law and order would suddenly be promoted in the Media, replete with gruesome images and best glamour shots of any wounded or killed in that endeavour (all sweet innocents from One of the Big Towns, or Peoria, or Bumsquat, or some sweet liberal suburb who had never hurt a fly--although they'd Molotov ranks of police and buildings galore) would pop up with a vigor not even seen in the instance of any school shooting, is a given.

Who wants their town to be Lexington, or Concord? Or Pratt Street? Because, of necessity, a war only bandied about and rarely seriously considered with all the potential for evil and fundamental change such conflicts bear, would have started, and would have to be pursued to its conclusion, for good or ill.

To fail in that pursuit would mean that every weapon of the courts and the Legislature (and the Media) would be brought to bear against any recurrence, even on a small scale, and that the requisite tools of any future conflict be made anathema in the eyes of the silly sheep who believe themselves wise, despite having just been relieved of Communist aggression by the very people they would attack.

That commitment, that desperation of relief, has not yet reached the level where enough are willing, where enough feel justified to risk everything (Lives, fortunes, sacred Honor, 401K) to quell local matters, no matter how large the city under siege.   Perhaps that ensues from the populations of such enclaves being the ones who voted for the leadership in those instances which enabled or fostered such anarchist nonsense in the first place, and it's a hard sell, even among those deeply principled, to get them to risk all they have to bail out those who insisted on drowning in their own sewage.

The Cities routinely vote heavily against the rest of us, and while we might miss the opera house and all those restaurants we couldn't get into without wearing a tie, we'll sit and drink coffee on the porch somewhere, or perhaps in a local cafe, and reminisce while we look askance at every vehicle from out of town and gently check that our weapons are secure in their holsters and safe from sight.
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That sort of thing has happened in more sane parts of America, where groups of locals got together with local LEOs and moved to nip this anarchy in the bud. Not once, but twice in the nearest town, the BLM protest was met with a significant group of folks on motorcycles having a nearby gathering of their own, and while exercising their Second Amendment rights, too.
But that was in areas where the local government had the good sense to just STFU and let the matter be handled, unofficially. While the protest proceeded (twice), there was no rioting, no looting, and those who showed were only the tip of the local iceberg that gave a chilly reception.

There is, however an additional risk in most of those jurisdictions, in that the handwringers and Karens and pantywaists would have a cartwheeling fit over armed conservatives in large numbers, and would then call in the National assets, not on their fellow Marxists, but the property and business owners who showed up to defend their homes, persons, families, and cities. There can be no illusion that if that remedy is sought in those urban, Marxist, Democrat-run environs, it will have to be pursued to completion, not mere capitulation, and that such acts will quickly become in the media a casus belli to take up arms against the very patriots who quelled the insurrection.

That national attempts to infringe the Civil Rights of those who even might stand for law and order would suddenly be promoted in the Media, replete with gruesome images and best glamour shots of any wounded or killed in that endeavour (all sweet innocents from One of the Big Towns, or Peoria, or Bumsquat, or some sweet liberal suburb who had never hurt a fly--although they'd Molotov ranks of police and buildings galore) would pop up with a vigor not even seen in the instance of any school shooting, is a given.

Who wants their town to be Lexington, or Concord? Or Pratt Street? Because, of necessity, a war only bandied about and rarely seriously considered with all the potential for evil and fundamental change such conflicts bear, would have started, and would have to be pursued to its conclusion, for good or ill.

To fail in that pursuit would mean that every weapon of the courts and the Legislature (and the Media) would be brought to bear against any recurrence, even on a small scale, and that the requisite tools of any future conflict be made anathema in the eyes of the silly sheep who believe themselves wise, despite having just been relieved of Communist aggression by the very people they would attack.

That commitment, that desperation of relief, has not yet reached the level where enough are willing, where enough feel justified to risk everything (Lives, fortunes, sacred Honor, 401K) to quell local matters, no matter how large the city under siege.   Perhaps that ensues from the populations of such enclaves being the ones who voted for the leadership in those instances which enabled or fostered such anarchist nonsense in the first place, and it's a hard sell, even among those deeply principled, to get them to risk all they have to bail out those who insisted on drowning in their own sewage.

The Cities routinely vote heavily against the rest of us, and while we might miss the opera house and all those restaurants we couldn't get into without wearing a tie, we'll sit and drink coffee on the porch somewhere, or perhaps in a local cafe, and reminisce while we look askance at every vehicle from out of town and gently check that our weapons are secure in their holsters and safe from sight.

The message that I gleen from your comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution".   And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military.   

I find irony in the fact that the very same folks that accuse Trump of being too forceful or acting like a dictator.... are the ones criticizing him for not sending in the military to quell the leftist BS.   It's a trap that he has, so far, refused to fall into (IMO).
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?

I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.


For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.

The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.

Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.

If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?

I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.


For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.

The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.

Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.

If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.

Exactly.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?
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Never-Trumpers and Dems want another Kent State. Had Trump done as local N-Ters claim he should have done they now would be condemning him for over-reacting and usurping local governments. The game is predictable.
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Hopefully Trump will hit them where it hurts the most.  Their pocketbook.

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Hopefully Trump will hit them where it hurts the most.  Their pocketbook.

No... where it will hurt them the most is being defeated this November when he wins another term.  The RL has deep (Soros) pockets, don't forget.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?

I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.


For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.

The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.

Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.

If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.

I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?

I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.


For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.

The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.

Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.

If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.

Agreed -- if we take a look at Portland neither the mayor or the governor has done anything.  So, it isn't a matter of options failing it is a matter of state and city officials not doing their jobs and allowing the insurrection to continue.

However it really does no good for him to keep opening his mouth and making promises on this issues if he has no intent of doing anything.  For one it only encourages the chaos because the anarchists are learning, he's not going to do anything and secondly ti shows lack of sincerity on what he says and lack of leadership:

  Trump Promised an Announcement Next Week on Democrat-Run Cities: 'We're Going to Straighten Things Out'

 When it comes to crime, some of America's Democrat-run cities are "out of control," and President Trump plans to do something about it, he said on Wednesday.

"We're going to straighten things out," he told a press briefing where he announced recent moves against MS-13 gang members.

"You'll be seeing next week. We'll have a conference next week, and we'll tell you in great detail. But it's something that I think at this point the American people want to see. They've been run very poorly, these cities..." The president specifically mentioned Seattle and Portland, Oregon.


https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/susan-jones/trump-promises-announcement-next-week-democrat-run-cities-were-going
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there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.

I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.

@skeeter the local governments role has been on the side of Antifa.  Mayor Ted Strickland has been blatantly on their side for a couple years now.  Which is at odds with his role as the Police Commissioner as well as Mayor.  Andy Ngo has been reporting on this.  He (Strickland) flat out told the Feds "stay in your building or pack up and leave."  The acting DHS chief told him that wasn't going to happen. 

In fact IIRC Acting DHS Secretary Wolfe was just in Portland a few days ago telling them that the Feds were moving in.


Either way, the elected officials in Portland are complicit with what Antifa and Black Liberals Matter are doing on the city streets of the "Rose City"
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@skeeter the local governments role has been on the side of Antifa.  Mayor Ted Strickland has been blatantly on their side for a couple years now.  Which is at odds with his role as the Police Commissioner as well as Mayor.  Andy Ngo has been reporting on this.  He (Strickland) flat out told the Feds "stay in your building or pack up and leave."  The acting DHS chief told him that wasn't going to happen. 

In fact IIRC Acting DHS Secretary Wolfe was just in Portland a few days ago telling them that the Feds were moving in.


Either way, the elected officials in Portland are complicit with what Antifa and Black Liberals Matter are doing on the city streets of the "Rose City"
Wow. It wouldn't surprise me if the locals take the feds to court.


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HAPPENING NOW: Antifa, armed with weapons, are now attempting to bait federal agents out of the Justice Center here in Portland for a fight
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HAPPENING NOW: Antifa, armed with weapons, are now attempting to bait federal agents out of the Justice Center here in Portland for a fight

The Anarchists know the Mayor/Chief of the Police Bureau has their backs.  Ultimately, Portlandia will probably require some rock-hard Federal intervention.  It's still not ripe.
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The Anarchists know the Mayor/Chief of the Police Bureau has their backs.  Ultimately, Portlandia will probably require some rock-hard Federal intervention.  It's still not ripe.

The Antifa thugs really don't want the fight they are trying to provoke.  If they think all they're up against is inside that building...they're sadly mistaken and they certainly won't like the outcome of the fight they are asking for.
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The Antifa thugs really don't want the fight they are trying to provoke.  If they think all they're up against is inside that building...they're sadly mistaken and they certainly won't like the outcome of the fight they are asking for.

Quite right.  Wait'll they find out Uncle Sam developed the "Brown Note" weapon years ago.  :whistle:
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Why do people automatically assume that the first and only choice the President has when doing the job of protecting citizens when cities and states fail to do their job is send in the military?

I really wish people would stop thinking so one dimensional.


For those that may not know...there ARE other Federal law enforcement agencies that can go in and shut down the marxists in Portland Seattle and elsewhere.

The Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security have law enforcement powers to act in these instances and it doesn't require use if the insurrection act.

Just last night LEO's from DHS and CBP were arresting Antifa terrorists in Portland.

If the military is sent in it should be the last option because all others have failed...not the first option and ignore all the other federal options the President has at his disposal.
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The message that I gleen from your comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution".   And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military.   

I find irony in the fact that the very same folks that accuse Trump of being too forceful or acting like a dictator.... are the ones criticizing him for not sending in the military to quell the leftist BS.   It's a trap that he has, so far, refused to fall into (IMO).
Exactly! They have tried to maneuver him into a 'Heads, I win. Tails, you lose.' situation and he has refused to play.
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Xena wrote:
"The message that I gleen from [Smokin' Joe's] comments is...."President Trump, please proceed with caution".   And that same message applies to any and all who are champing at the bit to send in the military."

I'm currently reading "Mao: The Unknown Story". I'm only about a third of the way through, but thus far the book tells how in the 1930's Chiang Kai Shek, the generallissimo who led the Nationalists, had the opportunity to literally wipe out the communists (with Mao still maneuvering to become their leader) -- but he did not.

The reason was personal -- the Russians were holding Chiang's only son as hostage, and he knew he would never see the son again if he attacked and destroyed the red army.

So, Chiang "let them pass" (on the "Long March", which the book reveals to be another historical myth). In a secret deal, Chiang assented to the existence of the Chinese communists and their army (even forming an alliance with them) -- all to get his son returned.

So... Chiang also "proceeded with caution".
We see who rules China today.

I see the danger of a similar future here.
As we grow close to a pivotal moment, those of the right are "cautious" when they should be courageous, and strike while they still have a chance to destroy the enemy before us.

Of course traditional-minded Americans are going to put off any pre-emptive strike against the left (encompassing cities or entire states) as too disruptive to their own lives and to the country as well. Many are getting too old to do more but watch from the sidelines anyway. I fall into that category myself.

But make no mistake.
The storm is oncoming.
It's distant, yet.
It can be denied for a while.
Until... it cannot.

Who will stop them...?


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You rant well, but what do YOU propose be done?

I propose that Trump do what has said he would do 4 times now.  If he wasn't going to do it he shouldn't say it. 
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there is another article posted here today about unmarked vans pulling up to protests/riots in Portland, disgorging federal marshals (presumably), who snatch up trouble makers and speed off.
This, IMO, is the way the president should respond.

I’m not sure what the local governments roll is in this tactic or whether the marshals were invited at all. Maybe the mayors/governors quietly invited federal intervention.

@skeeter

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Mayor of Portland to Pres. Trump: Get your troops out of the city
AP via WSPA News Seven ^  | July 17, 2020 | Andrew Selsky and Gillian Flaccus

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The mayor of Portland demanded Friday that President Donald Trump remove militarized federal agents he deployed to the city after some detained people on streets far from federal property they were sent to protect.

“Keep your troops in your own buildings, or have them leave our city,” Mayor Ted Wheeler said at a news conference.

Democratic Gov. Kate Brown said Trump is looking for a confrontation in the hopes of winning political points elsewhere and to serve as a distraction from the coronavirus pandemic, which is causing spiking numbers of infections in Oregon and the nation.


More:  https://www.wspa.com/news/national/mayor-of-portland-to-pres-trump-get-your-troops-out-of-the-city/