Mattis denounces Trump in blistering statement on protests

[XenaLee]

Lindsey was okay. But, if you let the video run past that interview, wait for the next vid, you’ll see Sen.Cruz on the Judiciary Committee review of the FBI Russia investigation grilling Rod Rosenstein. Cruz was awesome. It was good seeing that weasel Rosenstein squirming under tough questioning.

Nah.   That squirming was all an act.  He was smiling and laughing the next minute.  And such a laugh.  A snide, evil laugh.  Rod knows nothing will happen to him or anyone else in the deep state.  It's all for show, as usual.

[XenaLee]

He isn't a Republican he's a populist president.  He hijacked the party.  Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.

Uh....no.   The GOP pretty much destroyed their own party when they nominated that flaming ahole McCain and then another RINO, Romney.... giving conservatives literally NO choice other than to just not vote at all.   If anything, Trump has managed to bring more in (or back) to the fold.   

[EdinVA]

He isn't a Republican he's a populist president.  He hijacked the party.  Trumps the Trojan Horse destroying the party from within.

I don't understand....
The objective of an election is to garner a larger support from the people than your competitor, right?
So Trump should have said/done/etc all the things that Romney/McCain said/did so the Republicans could lose another race?  Is that about right?
If the Republican party has increased in size, as it has at least vote wise, then why is being popular, garnering more votes, such a bad thing?

[sneakypete]

@Jazzhead

Life is all about choices, the cops made a bad choice,

@EdinVA . I

Maybe it's one of those "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?" things,but I don't think they made a choice. I honestly think it is a "conditioned depraved indifference to any human life not wearing a cop uniform",thing. I have heard local cops in the rural area where I live flat-out state that "I don't care WHO dies as long as *I* get back home safely.

I have pissed them off by telling them in that case they have no business wearing a uniform with a badge because their SWORN DUTY is to protect the lives on innocents,NOT their own lives or the lives of their fellow cops,and they should quit and get safe jobs as mall cops,or school bus drivers.

It surprised me when there were no repercussions, but I had no choice but to say it. These SOB's. need to wake up.
I considered a job as an LEO for about 15 seconds after I got out of the army,and immediately realized I was not emotionally cut out for that job because I was too aggressive and too used to shooting. Professional LEO's are REQUIRED by the restraints of their job to show restraint,and I couldn't even rent restraint at that time.

If I can do it,so can they,and both them and the society around them would be better for it.

but floyd choice to escalate his situation and fight where there was no fight, just as the rioters, not protestors, have made a choice to break the law and escalate the situation.  Every choice has consequences.

Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.

We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.

At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.

The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.

Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."

DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
 
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.

The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.

All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.

[Chosen Daughter]

I don't understand....
The objective of an election is to garner a larger support from the people than your competitor, right?
So Trump should have said/done/etc all the things that Romney/McCain said/did so the Republicans could lose another race?  Is that about right?
If the Republican party has increased in size, as it has at least vote wise, then why is being popular, garnering more votes, such a bad thing?

Its a paradigm shift.  Populist is good if you agree with the change.  But I don't want his change.  I don't like his WWE tactics.  His way of replacing everyone with little clones of him.  Its very fascist.  Chuck Grassley is rightly so holding up two of Trump appointee's.  Because Trump thinks he can replace everyone with someone he just likes.  People that will sing his praises.  And there is no telling what 4 more years of Trump will bring.

One thing is for sure.  More grandstanding and soundbites in support of Trump.  Regardless of what they are singing.  Its like there is no limit to the ugliness.

When they were campaigning for Trump in 2016 Christians would say we're not hiring a pastor.  We're hiring a president.  So there was no expectation of character at all.  They compared him to King Cyrus.  There were Mark Taylor prophesies...….etc.  But my Bible tells me to discern.  And even though they said he didn't have to be a Pastor.  Trump has said himself he is a Christian.  But his actions say otherwise.  And while we don't judge the world, because the world is sinful.  We can and should be discerning Christians. 

So I have long had disgust for the Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker type televangelists.  Jim even did prison time for fraud.  These are the types of ministers that Trump surrounds himself.  His spiritual Advisor Paula White was under investigation (Chuck Grassley) can't remember when for fraud.  Anyone discerning Gods Word would see that these kinds of ministries are about themselves.  They take and take and take.  Its no wonder they can't discern it is wrong to attack someone's character continuously.  To bear false witness against people only because you feel like you must get even.  Because everyone wrongs Trump and must be fired and dragged through the Trump mud forever.

Populist is just another word for left also.  Deny it but Trump has signed for Socialism and amnesty.  He's a big social spender.  it isn't any wonder at all that nearly 50% of Trump rally attendee's are Democrats.  Others ones that have never voted before. 

Because Conservatives.  Which Trump has labeled purists get nothing from Trump.  Nothing he has, and nothing we want.

[EdinVA]

Its a paradigm shift.  Populist is good if you agree with the change.  But I don't want his change.  I don't like his WWE tactics.  His way of replacing everyone with little clones of him.  Its very fascist.  Chuck Grassley is rightly so holding up two of Trump appointee's.  Because Trump thinks he can replace everyone with someone he just likes.  People that will sing his praises.  And there is no telling what 4 more years of Trump will bring.

One thing is for sure.  More grandstanding and soundbites in support of Trump.  Regardless of what they are singing.  Its like there is no limit to the ugliness.

When they were campaigning for Trump in 2016 Christians would say we're not hiring a pastor.  We're hiring a president.  So there was no expectation of character at all.  They compared him to King Cyrus.  There were Mark Taylor prophesies...….etc.  But my Bible tells me to discern.  And even though they said he didn't have to be a Pastor.  Trump has said himself he is a Christian.  But his actions say otherwise.  And while we don't judge the world, because the world is sinful.  We can and should be discerning Christians. 

So I have long had disgust for the Benny Hinn, Jim Bakker type televangelists.  Jim even did prison time for fraud.  These are the types of ministers that Trump surrounds himself.  His spiritual Advisor Paula White was under investigation (Chuck Grassley) can't remember when for fraud.  Anyone discerning Gods Word would see that these kinds of ministries are about themselves.  They take and take and take.  Its no wonder they can't discern it is wrong to attack someone's character continuously.  To bear false witness against people only because you feel like you must get even.  Because everyone wrongs Trump and must be fired and dragged through the Trump mud forever.

Populist is just another word for left also.  Deny it but Trump has signed for Socialism and amnesty.  He's a big social spender.  it isn't any wonder at all that nearly 50% of Trump rally attendee's are Democrats.  Others ones that have never voted before. 

Because Conservatives.  Which Trump has labeled purists get nothing from Trump.  Nothing he has, and nothing we want.

So, he is not Romney... at least I understand.. thanks

[EdinVA]

Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.

We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.

At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.

The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.

Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."

DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
 
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.

The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.

All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.

@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy. 

[DB]

Oh,yeah. It's not like this was his first rodeo. He has had physical confrontations with the cops before,and HAD to know he was going to get a beatdown if he resisted. He shares in the fault for his own death,but then again,he was a criminal,a retard,and either/both drunk or high because this is what street criminals do. It defines them like donut runs define cops.

We,as a people,expect better out of cops than we expect out of drunken/high semi-pro criminals,and we have the RIGHT to expect more.

At NO time was any of the cops lives at risk,and the INSTANT they had him handcuffed and on the ground,they SHOULD have had him sitting upright on the ground,and harmless.

The ONLY logical reason for that cop to keep his knee on that man's neck for that long is because he wanted to brutalize him. PERIOD. There can BE no other explanation. The other cops helped him hold the man down due to "monkee see,monkey do" mindsets.

Having said all that,the guilty cop did NOT murder him. Murder is a VERY specific act that requires intent,and he had no intent to kill,only to brutalize and show him "who the boss is."

DEFINITELY guilty of depraved indifference to human life and manslaughter of one degree or another,and I sincerely hope he gets the time he earned.
 
The cops that helped him,not so much. The one closest to him that heard the dead guy claiming he couldn't breathe tried to get the killer to remove his knee,but he did NOT do his DUTY to INSIST he remove his knee from the man's neck. That failed effort,lame as it was,gives him all the cover he needs to have all the charges against him dropped.

The other two were just there and in no real position to know what was going on,so they shouldn't be charged either.

All 3 of them MUST be fired in order to send the message "If you don't know what is going on,it is your duty to find out!" to the officers currently serving and those yet to serve. There MUST be standards in place to protect the public,just like there are standards in place to protect the police.

Maybe, maybe not.

If he was harming himself violently in the back of the police car, which may well be the case, they called an ambulance as soon as they removed him from the back seat and restrained him. Can't sit him up if he's trying to bash his head into things.

It looks like they were restraining him, at least in part, for his own safety while waiting for the ambulance to show up. Depraved indifference for life doesn't call an ambulance and doesn't care if you beat yourself silly.

People who are high on drugs (Fentanyl and meth) are not rational. They can't be negotiated with. Being able to talk is contrary to claiming there's too much pressure on the throat/airway. If you can talk your throat isn't severely restricted. His not being able to breath was likely caused by something else. Both the Fentanyl and a heart attack are well known to cause this.

Hopefully we will eventually know the actual facts and place the actual blame where it belongs.

[DB]

@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.

He was behind the wheel of a car on a public street shit faced high. You are leaving that detail out. Was he on parole?

[catfish1957]

He was behind the wheel of a car on a public street shit faced high. You are leaving that detail out. Was he on parole?

Then add the fact that one of his prior 6 felonies was Aggrevated Robbery with a Deadly Weapon.  Cop's had that info, and if I was a cop, I  would be taking additonal precautions, especially with a guy that big who was resisting arrest.

 

[DCPatriot]

@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.

I have a 'Doctorate' in People.  Some day when I'm on my deathbed, I'll explain.   

It's time to start doing some addition on the facts of the event that led to Floyd's death.

1) Erick Chauvin and George Floyd weren't strangers to each other.   On his very first shift at the bar/club, George Floyd would have stood out to Erick Chauvin, if not formally introduced which I suspect.  He's 6ft.6in and built to fight.  It was no doubt why he was hired.  His intimidation alone...

2) Two of the other officers were only on the job less than two weeks.  Chauvin was loving his authority and was going to impress the rookies that showing favoritism as the rule is wrong, and here we had an aggressive George Floyd being 'charged' by the shop owner for passing a bum twenty dollar bill.

3) Floyd was "on something", as evidenced by the drugs found during the autopsy....despite the family's attorney claiming otherwise or other motive involved.

4) Ultimately, the other 3 officers are going to be found not guilty.  Chauvin will be found guilty to the reduced plea of manslaughter.  In the middle of winter when it's inconvenient to loot.

[EdinVA]

Then add the fact that one of his prior 6 felonies was Aggrevated Robbery with a Deadly Weapon.  Cop's had that info, and if I was a cop, I  would be taking additonal precautions, especially with a guy that big who was resisting arrest.

Agree... But the cops should have done better... they went way overboard. 

[catfish1957]

Agree... But the cops should have done better... they went way overboard.

I agree too.  Didn't these guys have tasers?

[EdinVA]

I agree too.  Didn't these guys have tasers?

Not sure... I read somewhere that even if they had used tasers it would have caused the heart attack so not sure the end result would have been different.

[aligncare]

You guys are arguing points that are no longer relevant, if they were ever relevant at all.

The Floyd/Chauvin incident was a pretext for kickstarting the revolution that’s been lurking in the background since the 60’s Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, People’s Liberation Army, the Weather Underground were first agitating.

Get with the program. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. It’s a revolution, baby!

[EdinVA]

You guys are arguing points that are no longer relevant, if they were ever relevant at all.

The Floyd/Chauvin incident was a pretext for kickstarting the revolution that’s been lurking in the background since the 60’s Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society, People’s Liberation Army, the Weather Underground were first agitating.

Get with the program. We’ve got bigger fish to fry. It’s a revolution, baby!

Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol

BTW, don't call me baby... 

[DB]

Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol

BTW, don't call me baby... 

Add to that that those cities are totally dependent on those rural areas to feed, power and provide water to them.

[Smokin Joe]

@sneakypete

Pfffffff!!!!!   How about "Serious Dislike", and uhhh...  personal insecurities?  Lol..that's my problem.      You're pretty funny sometimes big guy!!!!

But here's the bottom line.

I have worked enough years in the oil patch to know there are times you work with people you don't like.

The question is one of if you are professional enough to put that aside and get the job done.
I don't have to like the people I work with, even though I quite commonly do.
We are there to get a job done, not to be twin brothers from different mothers.
America is in trouble, and there is a job to be done.

If you let your feelings stand in the way of doing the job, you aren't going to do the best work or get the best work done. So, let's get mission-oriented here.

Time to stop the riots (the first window breaks, that "peaceful demonstration" just crossed the line to criminal activity, and all who continue their association are accomplices); time to quit with the political manipulation of medical data which will only ensure the loss of lives now and in the future, unnecessary economic damage, or both; time to have the media contain at least a couple of percent of truth in their broadcasts, or at least brand their garbage as editorial content instead of pass it off as 'fact'.

I'd wager that the little Antifa types secretly hold in contempt many of the groups whom they use, as much as their bosses think lowly of the individual foot soldiers (aside from the tasks they complete and their competency).

[Smokin Joe]

Well, your revolution is focused in the confused cities, the ones that cannot figure out which bathroom to use, are offended by Mr. and Ms., and statues of real men... Just wait till they come out to the rural areas... lol

BTW, don't call me baby... 

Nothing like being able to see them coming a mile or more away, which you can, here. Plenty of time to hang flagging in the brush for range and windage markers...

But seriously, how tough is this revolution going to be when the convenience stores are 20 or 50 miles apart instead of a couple of blocks?

[mystery-ak]

Kelly: ‘I Agree’ with Mattis on Trump — We Need to Look Harder at ‘Character’ of Who We Elect
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/05/kelly-i-agree-with-mattis-on-trump-we-need-to-look-harder-at-character-of-who-we-elect/

[aligncare]

But here's the bottom line.

I have worked enough years in the oil patch to know there are times you work with people you don't like.

The question is one of if you are professional enough to put that aside and get the job done.
I don't have to like the people I work with, even though I quite commonly do.
We are there to get a job done, not to be twin brothers from different mothers.
America is in trouble, and there is a job to be done.

If you let your feelings stand in the way of doing the job, you aren't going to do the best work or get the best work done. So, let's get mission-oriented here.

Time to stop the riots (the first window breaks, that "peaceful demonstration" just crossed the line to criminal activity, and all who continue their association are accomplices); time to quit with the political manipulation of medical data which will only ensure the loss of lives now and in the future, unnecessary economic damage, or both; time to have the media contain at least a couple of percent of truth in their broadcasts, or at least brand their garbage as editorial content instead of pass it off as 'fact'.

I'd wager that the little Antifa types secretly hold in contempt many of the groups whom they use, as much as their bosses think lowly of the individual foot soldiers (aside from the tasks they complete and their competency).

There were parts of nascent America in the years leading up to and during the battles fought in the American revolution where colonists were oblivious to the political and social issues that were swirling around the centers of commerce and business and county seats and cities; but they were part of the revolution nonetheless.

That’s where I see us now. That’s the only thing that can explain why major corporations and foundations are donating huge sums of money to a radical group like Black Lives Matters? They have no awareness that the revolution is on. They just don’t know.

Never assign to malice that which can be explained by ignorance—I tell myself.

[Smokin Joe]

There were parts of nascent America in the years leading up to and during the battles fought in the American revolution where colonists were oblivious to the political and social issues that were swirling around the centers of commerce and business and county seats and cities; but they were part of the revolution nonetheless.

That’s where I see us now. That’s the only thing that can explain why major corporations and foundations are donating huge sums of money to a radical group like Black Lives Matters? They have no awareness that the revolution is on. They just don’t know.

Never assign to malice that which can be explained by ignorance—I tell myself.

I try to remain open to the thought that malice may indeed be involved. Some folks are dumb like a fox, and I have dealt with enough passive-aggressive types to know it is found in corporate culture all the way to the top.

[Fishrrman]

EdinVa wrote:
"The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy."

I've been wondering about that too.
Floyd was arrested for "passing" a counterfeit $100 bill.
But... did he even KNOW that it was phony...?

If not... what a waste (and not only of his own life).

[Chosen Daughter]

So, he is not Romney... at least I understand.. thanks

What's that?  Romney isn't running.  But maybe you aren't aware but Trump supported Mitt Romney's idea to give every adult a check.


Trump supports Sen. Mitt Romney’s pitch to give checks to every American


By Thomas Burr
 Â·
Published: March 17
Updated: March 17, 2020
Washington •

President Donald Trump backs direct payments to Americans to help ease the impact of the coronavirus outbreak and stimulate the teetering economy, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said Tuesday, backing a proposal floated by Sen. Mitt Romney, who suggested a $1,000 one-time check to every adult American.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2020/03/17/sen-mitt-romneys-cash/

I don't know perhaps he thinks Mitt Romney had a bright idea that would bring votes?

Romney isn't running.  But I feel honored to be in agreement with great people like Mattis, Flynn and Sasse.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
The thing that kills me is he was not arrested for any serious crime, it would have been easy to take the ride, say he got the $20 in change and was not aware it was phony and he would have been on his way... But he had to play tough guy.

@EdinVA

True,but IIRC,the first reports and at least one video show him being belligerent and aggressive when the cops first approached him. He brought the rough take-down on himself because he was not sober and he was belligerent and aggressive. He was also a big guy.  You really can't blame the cops for getting him under control given the circumstances.

IF the stupid SOB had done what ANYBODY without shouting range of normal had done,just told the cops he had no idea it was counterfeit ,I have no doubt they would have let him go. There was very little chance of them mistaking him for a criminal mastermind.

Not to mention the fact they had to know any counterfeit charges would have been thrown out of court because there was no way in HELL he was a printing money.

But no,the stupid SOB had to get pushy.

BTW,none of this justifies what happened next. If you are a cop and you can't emotionally deal with petty crooks running their mouths at you,you need to find another job,quickly.