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COVID closed Mexican factories that supply US defense industry. The Pentagon wants them opened.
By: Joe Gould   2 days ago


Note: This article was updated with comment from the Aerospace Industries Association.

WASHINGTON ― Factory closures in Mexico due to the coronavirus pandemic are hurting U.S. defense firms, and the Pentagon is urging America’s neighbor to the south to reopen vital suppliers.

Because Mexico has not designated its aerospace and defense sector as essential, it’s disrupting the supply chain for the American defense industrial base, particularly aircraft manufacturers. Though little known, Mexico’s defense exports to the U.S. and beyond grew mightily over the last 15 years as defense firms large and small opened production facilities there.

https://www.defensenews.com/2020/04/21/covid-closed-mexican-factories-that-supply-us-defense-industry-the-pentagon-wants-them-opened/

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What *I* want to know is "WHY are we buying defense industry products from a foreign country?"
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"WHY are we buying defense industry products from a foreign country?"

Lowest bidder...?

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"WHY are we buying defense industry products from a foreign country?"

Lowest bidder...?

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I don't give a Pelosi if they did it for free. Foreign countries should NOT be given contracts to do US defense industry work.
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We have a really good labor force here in ND that will be idled soon. The wages will have to be higher than peon pay, but I'd bet they could score some decent commercial buildings at a bargain price in the next year, too.
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Like coronavirus, defense manufacturing in other countries is just another "benefit" of the global economy, :thud:

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What *I* want to know is "WHY are we buying defense industry products from a foreign country?"

Exactly....

I have being saying that for decades, that any, and repeat any product that can impact national security MUST be produced on U.S. soil.

We are drowning in regulatuons, and this f'n government can't pass even one single one to protect our country.  In most societies, I say and hope there would be "lessons learned"....   But  then this is the U. S.  Congress we are talking about. 
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Exactly....

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I have being saying that for decades, that any, and repeat any product that can impact national security MUST be produced on U.S. soil.

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Quoted in bold because it really is THAT important.


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We are drowning in regulatuons, and this f'n government can't pass even one single one to protect our country.
 

It's not that we can't,because doing so would be as easy as falling off a log,IF there weren't so many congresscritters bought and paid for by the international bankers that finance their campaigns and provide them with legal help as well as bags of cash.

Running for congress or the US Senate without the financial backing and the media support of the international bankers would be akin to jumping off a tall building and flapping your hands because you think you can fly.

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In most societies, I say and hope there would be "lessons learned"....

There are no lessons to be learned. Anybody that can't see and understand what is happening already is either incapable of learning,or just isn't interested enough to think about it because they think THEIR jobs and incomes are secure,and they don't give a damn about anyone or anything else,including the survival of our nation and individual freedoms. In FACT,individual freedom flat scares the hell out of most of these people because that would also mean THEY are responsible for their own mistakes.  THAT was the hidden "charm" of communism. NOTHING was the individuals fault. It was all the fault of Capitalists in public,and the fault of their own leaders when in their own apartments with their own families.

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But  then this is the U. S.  Congress we are talking about.

Ohhh,it's MUCH bigger than that. The US Congress is in partnership with the US Senate,and MUST be or nothing would happen. Congress handles the money votes,and the US Senate handles the treaties and foreign deals. Being a US Senator is the "sweet spot" in this organized crime organization we call "government".

Neither Congress or the Senate would have a chance of being successful at selling our nation down the drain for fun,ego fullfillment,and profits,without the cooperation of the other.

On top of that we have a whole substructure of judges,states attorneys,etc,etc,etc who make sure there are no legal entanglements to muddy the waters,and that whatever the "movers and shakers" responsible for THEM holding their lofty positions never have cause to regret it to the point of removing them from the public payroll in addition to the "under the table" payroll.

I do NOT like saying this,but I think it has gone so far now that the only real practical way to reverse this involves public hangings.

We (the US) got lucky when a semi-outsider whose only real involvement with the current system is paying the bribes they insist be paid for doing the jobs the taxpayers were already paying them to do. Trump gave us a little bit of breathing room,as well as hope that hangings might NOT be necessary. He can't do this by himself,though. We not only have to support him,we have to start looking for someone to replace him in a  little over 4 years. If we don't,and then we elect one of "the usual suspects",we are still screwed because America WILL dissolve and become a cog in the globalist fascist machine.
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Pete wrote:
"Trump gave us a little bit of breathing room,as well as hope that hangings might NOT be necessary. He can't do this by himself,though. We not only have to support him,we have to start looking for someone to replace him in a  little over 4 years. If we don't,and then we elect one of "the usual suspects",we are still screwed because America WILL dissolve and become a cog in the globalist fascist machine."

As I've posted here several times before:
"After Trump, the deluge..."

Could that bring about my American Timeline?
2019: USA -- United States of America
2027: USSA -- United Socialist States of America
2035: USSSA -- United Soviet Socialist States of America
2042:  ?????

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What difference does it make?  The green whackos have already assured us the world will burn up within another 10 years or so.  I say or so because it might not happen exactly as they say. *****rollingeyes*****

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What difference does it make?  The green whackos have already assured us the world will burn up within another 10 years or so.  I say or so because it might not happen exactly as they say. *****rollingeyes*****

Well, if it is going to burn up, then we might as well not worry so much about buying the seven toed flingerfish another couple of years and live comfortably and more securely.

But, if it doesn't just imagine how any history three hundred years from now will view this episode in human history...

From the Dark Ages...
to the Renaissance
to the Enlightenment..
to the era of Smug Credentialed Stupidity...(The Age of Hubris)

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But, if it doesn't just imagine how any history three hundred years from now will view this episode in human history...
 

Unless there are some very, very, good spin doctor historians, we will be seen as the biggest fools who ever inhabited the earth.  To borrow from Mr. Lincoln:  the world will little note nor long remember what we said here, but it can never forget what we DID here. 8888crybaby

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If your competitor is using cheap foreign labor and the client does not care, then you have to use cheap foreign labor...
If your stockholders DEMAND higher earnings and don't care about the damage to your country, then you use cheap foreign labor....




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If your competitor is using cheap foreign labor and the client does not care, then you have to use cheap foreign labor...
If your stockholders DEMAND higher earnings and don't care about the damage to your country, then you use cheap foreign labor....

This is undoubtedly true, but I can't help think the government encourages it as a form of foreign aid, except businesses finance it.

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This is undoubtedly true, but I can't help think the government encourages it as a form of foreign aid, except businesses finance it.
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If your competitor is using cheap foreign labor and the client does not care, then you have to use cheap foreign labor...
If your stockholders DEMAND higher earnings and don't care about the damage to your country, then you use cheap foreign labor....

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All that is true,and it doesn't change a thing. SOMEONE has to stand up on their hind legs as a matter of principle,and that includes consumers.

If we don't,nobody in 'murika will have any money and it won't matter because there won't be anything to buy.

This pretty much HAS to start in congress,with several congresscritters standing up in the harsh light of teebee cameras and demand tariffs,and explaining why they are necessary.

If this doesn't happen soon,American will disappear without a bang,but with a lot of whimpering.
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In the real world, "all-American" is no more possible for military equipment than it is for the computer or tablet folks use to post here. A particular defense contractor might be based in and do its manufacturing in the US, but as soon as you lift the lid on, for example, an electronics assembly you start seeing parts made outside of the US, some by foreign companies. E.G., when I was testing F-18 HUDs and A-10 PUs in the late 1970s I saw ICs from National Semiconductor that were marked as having been made in the Philippines.

Digging a little deeper, with hard drives and optical drives, there is just one company that makes the drive motors, an Asian company that manufactures in Thailand (last I heard). So any defense electronic system that uses a hard drive or optical drive unavoidably has a foreign-made motor.
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All that is true,and it doesn't change a thing. SOMEONE has to stand up on their hind legs as a matter of principle,and that includes consumers.

If we don't,nobody in 'murika will have any money and it won't matter because there won't be anything to buy.

This pretty much HAS to start in congress,with several congresscritters standing up in the harsh light of teebee cameras and demand tariffs,and explaining why they are necessary.

If this doesn't happen soon,American will disappear without a bang,but with a lot of whimpering.

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You are exactly right.... BUT.. lol
Retirement funds (401k's, etc) are bound by the stock market so who do you root for?
Some guy's job you don't know or your retirement fund?
At some point, we have to start looking out for our kids future...

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If your competitor is using cheap foreign labor and the client does not care, then you have to use cheap foreign labor...
If your stockholders DEMAND higher earnings and don't care about the damage to your country, then you use cheap foreign labor....

The canyon between "should be" and "is" is often wide. Apple and HP and Dell could, hypothetically, be required by government to bring all manufacturing back into the US, and only use US-made sub-assemblies. In reality, that would be impossible - drive motors, power supplies, and probably more - and to the degree tried the result would be bankrupt Apple, HP, and Dell and very grateful Toshiba, Lenovo, Acer, etc..

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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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The canyon between "should be" and "is" is often wide. Apple and HP and Dell can, hypothetically, be required by government to bring all manufacturing back into the US, and only use US-made sub-assemblies. In reality, that would be impossible - drive motors, power supplies, and probably more - and to the degree tried the result would be bankrupt Apple, HP, and Dell and very grateful Toshiba, Lenovo, Acer, etc..

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True, difficult, but not impossible.
Acceptance of a wrong does not make it right.

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As someone famous is supposed to have said,"The longest journey starts with the first step."
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In the real world, "all-American" is no more possible for military equipment than it is for the computer or tablet folks use to post here. A particular defense contractor might be based in and do its manufacturing in the US, but as soon as you lift the lid on, for example, an electronics assembly you start seeing parts made outside of the US, some by foreign companies. E.G., when I was testing F-18 HUDs and A-10 PUs in the late 1970s I saw ICs from National Semiconductor that were marked as having been made in the Philippines.

Digging a little deeper, with hard drives and optical drives, there is just one company that makes the drive motors, an Asian company that manufactures in Thailand (last I heard). So any defense electronic system that uses a hard drive or optical drive unavoidably has a foreign-made motor.
The question is one of why? Can't we make those things here as well?

(I know what you are saying about component origins now, I'm thinking of the future.  It is unlikely, for instance, that in any hot war in the West Pacific we're going to be able to buy IC's etc. from Asia. National Security would demand sources closer to home.
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