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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3175 on: July 28, 2020, 02:08:21 pm »
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.

Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, from Breitbart News.

I can confirm that this is no longer on Youtube.  Violates their community standards you know!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3176 on: July 28, 2020, 04:11:05 pm »
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.

Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, from Breitbart News.

I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.

Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!

Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3177 on: July 28, 2020, 05:46:16 pm »
No more 14 day quarantine? CDC finds evidence COVID-19 patients not infectious as long
by Adrian Mojica
Friday, July 24th 2020

As doctors and scientists continue to get a better grasp on novel coronavirus, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has released new findings when it comes to dealing with COVID-19.

Citing multiple studies by the agency and beyond, the CDC found those who have mild cases of COVID-19 may not have to be in quarantine for 14 days, that duration potentially being shortened to 10.

Scientists found 10 days after onset symptoms, patients they studied did not have "replication-competent virus" — or in simpler terms, virus which could infect cells and replicate. ... FOX17/Nashville

This confirms what was found in Singapore and Winnipeg a few weeks ago.  They found that at 10 days and 8 days, respectively, the viruses being shed could not be grown in a lab.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3178 on: July 28, 2020, 05:52:23 pm »
I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.

Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!

Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!

My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed.  He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3179 on: July 28, 2020, 06:55:28 pm »
My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed.  He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.
I've noticed that HCQ is all over facebook today.  Glad to see it out there and glad your relatives are doing well.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3180 on: July 28, 2020, 08:40:15 pm »
I watched this yesterday, confirming what a lot of us are saying.

Don't isolate someone sick until they get so sick it is too late.
We send them home and tell them to come back if their symptoms worsen, then we treat those.
That horse has already left the barn by then!

Use HCQ zinc, and Azithromycin, early on, before hospitalization is required, and hospitalization may never be required!
Dr. Zelenko's YouTube video documenting how and why the hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/zinc regimen works, dosages, and course duration, was censored just after Trump brought up hydroxychloroquine.
Then the attack on the drug was on.

Some of the shoddiest studies (if you understood the rationale behind the pharmacology) ever seen in medical scientism were presented, even ones in which lethal doses of Chloroquine were given patients, as an excuse to decry Dr. Zelenko's information. Two of those publications have been RETRACTED by the peer-review journals which published them, Yet the WHO is still pushing for Bill Gates' (or someone's) vaccine, which mean$ lot$ of Dollar$ for $omeone).

The science hasn't changed, it has been so all along, but DESPITE censorship, despite the WHO, CDC, etc., the word is out.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3181 on: July 28, 2020, 08:57:29 pm »
Dr. Zelenko's YouTube video documenting how and why the hydroxychloroquine/Azithromycin/zinc regimen works, dosages, and course duration, was censored just after Trump brought up hydroxychloroquine.
Then the attack on the drug was on.

Some of the shoddiest studies (if you understood the rationale behind the pharmacology) ever seen in medical scientism were presented, even ones in which lethal doses of Chloroquine were given patients, as an excuse to decry Dr. Zelenko's information. Two of those publications have been RETRACTED by the peer-review journals which published them, Yet the WHO is still pushing for Bill Gates' (or someone's) vaccine, which mean$ lot$ of Dollar$ for $omeone).

The science hasn't changed, it has been so all along, but DESPITE censorship, despite the WHO, CDC, etc., the word is out.

Recently, a Yale study approved the use, also, with little or no fanfare.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3182 on: July 28, 2020, 08:58:07 pm »
My niece and great nephew started on HCQ/zinc/azith within hours of their positive test results. They did not have to ask for it, that's just what their family practitioner prescribed.  He got over it in about 5 days, but she had a much rougher time with 11 days of fever, aches, malaise, etc and also had to use a nebulizer, but stayed out of the hospital.
Glad everyone is okay now.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3183 on: July 28, 2020, 09:40:30 pm »
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=661753254434235
This video has people in a tizzy, which is why Facebook and Twitter keep taking it down. Doctors who say - based on their actual experience - that hydroxychloroquine and zinc work.

Facebook, Google/YouTube, Twitter Censor Viral Video of Doctors’ Capitol Hill Coronavirus Press Conference, from Breitbart News.
Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.

Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/

I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3184 on: July 28, 2020, 09:46:11 pm »
Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.

Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/

I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.

Why not address what was said instead of attacking them? 

"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3185 on: July 28, 2020, 09:51:17 pm »
Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.

Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/

I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.

Doesn't explain away the Yale study or the Ford Foundation study.
There are more than this out there as well.
A Texas City,Texas doctor at a nursing home also did a trial run when quite a few of the patients came down with the virus in his facility.
Favorable results, slammed by the National media.
On our one of our local network affiliates  saying, "I am not a political person, I tried something that was brought to my attention and it worked."
I think he lost 1 out of 30 elderly patients who tested positive.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3186 on: July 28, 2020, 09:57:02 pm »
Well, these alleged "doctors" are not exactly the most credible people in the world.

Stella Immanuel, for example is a faith healer. They're very popular in her native Africa, but they have all the medical credentials of Benny Hinn.
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/dr-stella-immanuel/

I feel like these quacks like Raoult, Zelenko, Immanuel, etc... they're either selling false hope or deliberately trying to be ludicrous.
Okay, hold out for the vaccine, then, or any of the other five figure options. 

I did the research on zinc ionophores, I followed up on research on zinc interfering with viral replication, Read the information on Azithromycin, even its idiopathic effect of mild immunosuppression. Everything made scientific sense, (which is what science is supposed to do), the effects were well within the claimed actions of the pharmacological regimen--one that would be most effective at early onset.
If you want to follow the WHO and CDC, that is your right, but they already have a huge body count and a tremendous failure rate.

It has been my experience as a scientist that the number of diplomas on the wall or IV league provenance does not guarantee being correct, and that within science, credentials and reputation often stand in the way of finding the right answer. From https://doctor.webmd.com/doctor/vladimir-zelenko-d0172276-3207-4517-a08c-629eafd8c8a4-overview
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Dr. Zelenko graduated from the University At Buffalo State University of New York School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences,University At Buffalo State University of New York School of Medicine & Biomedical Sciences in 2000. Dr. Zelenko works in Monroe, NY and specializes in Family Medicine. Dr. Zelenko is affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital.
Although the affiliations may need updating, he is hardly a "Quack", and referring to him as such only devalues your opinion.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3187 on: July 28, 2020, 09:57:04 pm »
The sad thing about the politicized opposition to HCQ is that is has the potential to be the cheap, affordable way to ameliorate the virus.   I understand why drug companies might fight against an affordable regimen,  but Democrats?  Just one more example of their moral compass being rendered inoperative by their irrational hatred of Trump. 
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3188 on: July 28, 2020, 10:02:40 pm »
Doesn't explain away the Yale study of the ford Foundation study.
There are more than this out there as well.
A Texas City,Texas doctor at a nursing home also did a trial run when quite a few of the patients came down with the virus in his facility.
Favorable results, slammed by the National media.
On our one of our local network affiliates  saying, "I am not a political person, I tried something that was brought to my attention and it worked."
I think he lost 1 out of 30 elderly patients who tested positive.

Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients.  I would trust him with my life if the need arose.
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3189 on: July 28, 2020, 10:29:29 pm »
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Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com.
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3190 on: July 28, 2020, 10:34:08 pm »
James Todaro, MD  @JamesTodaroMD
Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com.
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
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"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3191 on: July 28, 2020, 10:57:11 pm »
James Todaro, MD  @JamesTodaroMD
Wow. It appears Squarespace took down our website today http://americasfrontlinedoctors.com.
We are reaching new levels of censorship.
Do people agree with this?
1:46 PM · Jul 28, 2020·
Squarespace is owned by Jack Dorsey, also owner of Twitter.

Why the unfiled  move against a Virus treatment before the election?

Could it be BIG TECH is willing to do anything they can to block Trump?

Bitchute, Parler are alternatives, to Twitter and YouTube.

Cruz and Rubin episode I posted recently.

Cruz talks about taking the protections away from Big Media, breaking up Monopoly.

Don't let your Trump hate hinder your common sense.

Big Media wants their Media monopoly to be protected, and their price is political manipulation, censorship, etc.

These Drs. are not alone. I have listened to Dr. Drew and Dr. Ray Cascieri in the LA AM radio market. also talk about the anecdotal evidence favoring it.

I am not a scientist.but I think the socialists and their unionized employees incl. teachers, want the economy shut down and "welfarized" permanently.

Doctors and nurses have been taking HQ themselves all along themselves.

Thd socialists will go to Any length to block Trump.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3192 on: July 28, 2020, 11:58:36 pm »
I just got my third SARS-2 test in seven days.  Getting nose-raped is not fun.
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« Reply #3193 on: July 29, 2020, 12:59:00 am »
Found this in my files.
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Most people are more likely to wind up six feet under because of almost anything else under the sun other than COVID-19.

The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.



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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3194 on: July 29, 2020, 01:01:15 am »
I just got my third SARS-2 test in seven days.  Getting nose-raped is not fun.

I thought SARS is the bird flu? Why are you getting tested?  ARE YOU SICK..?  Went to WIKI...so "use" with grain of salt.
Nasty stuff. Do you have lung issue?  Blaming ..bats...again! 
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Severe acute respiratory syndrome
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Other names   Sudden acute respiratory syndrome[1]
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Pronunciation   
SARS /sɑːrz/
Specialty   Infectious disease
Symptoms   Fever, persistent dry cough, headache, muscle pains, difficulty breathing
Complications   Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) with other comorbidities that eventually leads to death
Prevention   Hand washing, cough etiquette, avoiding close contact with infected persons, avoiding travel to affected areas[2]
Prognosis   9.5% chance of death (all countries)
Frequency   8,098 cases
Deaths   774 known

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is a viral respiratory disease of zoonotic origin caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1), the first-identified strain of the SARS coronavirus species severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARSr-CoV). The syndrome caused the 2002–2004 SARS outbreak. In late 2017, Chinese scientists traced the virus through the intermediary of Asian palm civets to cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in Yunnan.[3]

SARS was a relatively rare disease; at the end of the epidemic in June 2003, the incidence was 8,422 cases with a case fatality rate (CFR) of 11%.[4] No cases of SARS-CoV have been reported worldwide since 2004.[5]

In 2019, the related virus strain severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was discovered.[6] This new strain causes COVID-19, a disease which brought about the COVID-19 pandemic.[7]
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3195 on: July 29, 2020, 03:33:55 am »
I thought SARS is the bird flu? Why are you getting tested?  ARE YOU SICK..?

My customer insists.  If I don't test, I don't work.  If I don't work, I don't eat.  Three tests in 1 week is because we have had active cases in the past week.  SARS-2 is the virus that causes Covid-19.
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« Reply #3196 on: July 29, 2020, 01:27:57 pm »
Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients.  I would trust him with my life if the need arose.

KTRH radio brought him up again this morning.
Not a quack, quite reasonable and measured response.
He tried HCQ, zinc, and it worked.
Nothing more complicated than that.

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« Reply #3197 on: July 29, 2020, 01:32:17 pm »
Dr. Armstrong (the Texas City Dr. you mention) just happens to be a personal friend of mine through our involvement with the Republican Party of Texas and I have heard MANY testimonials regarding his abilities as an MD from his patients and former patients.  I would trust him with my life if the need arose.
I heard him interviewed many weeks ago by Glenn Beck. His Covid-19 patients at the nursing home were at the very highest possible risk, and only one died, thanks to his care and the drugs he used. Compare and contrast to all the nursing home deaths under governors Cuomo and Wolf.

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« Reply #3198 on: July 29, 2020, 01:36:36 pm »
KTRH radio brought him up again this morning.
Not a quack, quite reasonable and measured response.
He tried HCQ, zinc, and it worked.
Nothing more complicated than that.

What I think is absolutley heinous, is that though the HCQ regimient might not be a cure all, it might work in some cases.  So how many people might have not needed to die the past 4 months by this disinformation campaign. 

I think that is part of the paranoia on the left.  Not only the political aspects, but whether they may be held accountible 1000's, or 10,000's of thousands of deaths. 
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« Reply #3199 on: July 29, 2020, 01:41:43 pm »
HCQ with zithromycin and zinc may be effective in many cases. The combo has proven to be effective, in fact. But the Dems say not to try it at all. I have to wonder why they oppose the propect of people recovering from this virus? What depth of evil actually cheers for more deaths?