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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3050 on: July 19, 2020, 12:34:07 am »
That is how we get this behind us.

And this is what the Left is trying to block until after November.
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« Reply #3051 on: July 19, 2020, 12:39:22 am »
What is the debate? Plague or pandemic?

@bigheadfred A Chinese friend was gloating about the number of cases in the US. I needed to know whether the figures were infections, or infections AND those tested who had the virus but were over it.

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« Reply #3052 on: July 19, 2020, 12:50:41 am »
@bigheadfred A Chinese friend was gloating about the number of cases in the US. I needed to know whether the figures were infections, or infections AND those tested who had the virus but were over it.

Too bad we can't get any figures on the number of Chinese infections.

Go here and scroll down to 'Total Coronavirus Deaths in China', and have your friend explain the mathematical impossibility of the official Chi-com propaganda account.

But if it is schadenfreude he is looking for, then wait until the Three Gorges Dam collapses.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3053 on: July 19, 2020, 01:25:02 am »
Here's more propaganda from Democrats posing as journalists:



Claremont 13-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing COVID-19 Symptoms


Here's paragraph six:  On July 9, Maxx’s mother took him to get tested for COVID-19. That test came back negative.

So the boy was tested, and it turned out he did not have the virus.  Yet the story still implies that every parent in America should be in complete terror because Covid is now killing 13-year-olds.  Enough of this BS already.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3054 on: July 19, 2020, 01:33:55 am »
And even more propaganda:


85 Babies Tested Positive For COVID-19 In One Texas County, Health Director Says

~We currently have 85 babies under the age of one year in Nueces County that have all tested positive for COVID-19,” said Annette Rodriguez, director of public health for Corpus Christi Nueces County.

“These babies have not even had their first birthday yet. Please help us stop the spread of this disease.”

She did not provide additional details on their conditions.

No additional details?  Are any of the babies sick?  Did any of the babies exhibit symptoms?  Why were the babies tested to begin with?

No pleas to help these babies.  Only a plea to stop the spread of the disease.  And how to do that?  Wearing masks, social distancing, and at the ballot box of course.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3055 on: July 19, 2020, 02:09:28 am »
Unlikely.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3056 on: July 19, 2020, 02:29:43 am »
Here's more propaganda from Democrats posing as journalists:



Claremont 13-Year-Old Dies After Experiencing COVID-19 Symptoms


Here's paragraph six:  On July 9, Maxx’s mother took him to get tested for COVID-19. That test came back negative.

So the boy was tested, and it turned out he did not have the virus.  Yet the story still implies that every parent in America should be in complete terror because Covid is now killing 13-year-olds.  Enough of this BS already.
My daughter was 58 days in hospital because of a combination of pneumonia and MRSA that had gone systemic. She was tested for SARS-CoV-2 numerous times (all negative). Thankfully, she survived and is well, but the incorporation of deaths from other causes into the COVID-19 death count is clouding the issues ofmortality and giving a false image of the disease.
This only serves Democrats looking for more mayhem to impose on the American People via lockdowns and rules.

As a scientist, such wanton pollution of data only makes a mess of any scientific inquiry, much like the muddying of the issue of hydroxychloroquine (and Azithromycin and zinc supplement) use as a remedy.

Those doing this should not only be ashamed of the death and destruction they have wrought, but should be stripped of any license or credentials they possess for having done so.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3057 on: July 19, 2020, 02:37:06 am »
07-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  14.785 ↑   1.555 ↓
United States   12.425 ↑    2.159 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, GA, & AZ.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +81.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,017,674.

Estimated infection (immunity) as percentage of population:
AZ - 13.59 %
FL - 11.00 %
GA -  9.22 %
TX -  7.98 %
CA -  6.78 %
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3058 on: July 19, 2020, 06:32:32 pm »
A member of our church is a family practice physician. Today,  someone asked when he thought the virus might run its course. He replied that it ran its course weeks ago, that what is happening now, the alleged new cases, etc., was all just politics - not likely to end until election day. He's had five patients test positive, so he's not denying the existence of the virus.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3059 on: July 19, 2020, 07:22:49 pm »
A member of our church is a family practice physician. Today,  someone asked when he thought the virus might run its course. He replied that it ran its course weeks ago, that what is happening now, the alleged new cases, etc., was all just politics - not likely to end until election day. He's had five patients test positive, so he's not denying the existence of the virus.

He's right as rain @mountaineer
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3060 on: July 19, 2020, 08:15:59 pm »
I thought this was interesting from TOS.


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3061 on: July 19, 2020, 09:23:39 pm »
I thought this was interesting from TOS.


Again with the cases, what are the fatalities (and I bet the flu hasn't been inflated like COVID)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3062 on: July 20, 2020, 01:50:33 am »

07-20-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  14.869 ↑   1.555 -
United States   12.578 ↑    2.163 ↑

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Largest case rises occurred in FL, TX, CA, GA, & LA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +33.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,036,671.

To date, 1.178 % of Americans have tested positive for this disease.  0.043 % have died.  Omitting NY, NY, MA, and CT, only 0.028 % have died. But on behalf of the Biden campaign, tomorrow's front page of the WaPo will blast that Coronavirus is "crushing" the US.  All lies.  All BS.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3063 on: July 20, 2020, 10:21:15 pm »
For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp.  He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced.  Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.

Here's the drill people:

1)  Wash hands early and often
2)  Don't touch your face
3)  Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4)  Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5)  Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing.  They aren't you.

Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3064 on: July 20, 2020, 10:27:40 pm »
For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp.  He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced.  Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.

Here's the drill people:

1)  Wash hands early and often
2)  Don't touch your face
3)  Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4)  Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5)  Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing.  They aren't you.

Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
Sorry, they are in "Fight or Flight" mode, and the Limbic Brain doesn't respond to logic.

One more reason to keep your distance. :shrug:
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3065 on: July 20, 2020, 11:43:30 pm »
For all you Erik Erickson fans out there, count him in the mask Nazi camp.  He thinks Gov. Kemp should make mask-wearing mandatory, and that it should be enforced.  Reason #17 why Erickson isn't a Conservative.

Here's the drill people:

1)  Wash hands early and often
2)  Don't touch your face
3)  Keep six feet away from anyone wearing a mask
4)  Keep six feet away from anyone not wearing a mask
5)  Mind your own friggin' business about what somebody else is doing.  They aren't you.

Don't know why this is so difficult for the emotional crowd to understand.
Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable, and you're seeing it everywhere. The mask is a shortcut.

It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3066 on: July 20, 2020, 11:44:56 pm »
Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable, and you're seeing it everywhere. The mask is a shortcut.

It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.
(I will also note that the three-foot rule was successfully implemented in Europe along with the masks. A major problem with enforcement here in America is that they're still insisting on the six-foot rule even if you're wearing a mask, so that's part of what's driving the embitterment.)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3067 on: July 21, 2020, 12:11:52 am »
Because keeping six feet away from everyone for months on end is unsustainable

No, keeping the economy shut down for months on end is unsustainable, as is printing up more new money to pay for it.


and you're seeing it everywhere.

It's a personal choice and a personal responsibility.  If people choose to close that distance, then they accept the consequences of their choice.


The mask is a shortcut.

Also a personal choice.  If a person chooses not to wear a mask, then they accept the consequences of his/her choice.  No different than the 6-ft rule.


It reduces the necessary social distancing to about three feet, close enough to shake a hand and a distance that most people rarely ever get closer unless they're in a crowded club or are hugging.

Shaking hands and hugging are also personal choices.  If a person chooses to shake another person's hand and then touches his/her own face while adjusting his/her own mask, then that person accepts the consequence of their action.  And no government directive issued by any governor/mayor/etc. without legislative approval is going to change that.

Personally, I happen to be an adult who is instilled with a sense of personal responsibility.  And I am not about to embrace some fascist reactionary impulsive mandate because someone else isn't being controlled like I want them to be controlled.  And if the Euro-solution is so effective, then why do countries like France, Belgium, and the UK have higher death rates than the US?

You want an American to wear a mask?  Then ask nicely.  You would be surprised what that will get you.  But order an American to wear one?  You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor.
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« Reply #3068 on: July 21, 2020, 12:19:43 am »
"You want an American to wear a mask?  Then ask nicely.  You would be surprised what that will get you.  But order an American to wear one?  You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor."

@Hoodat

Hopefully with those masks still attached to the people who gave the order(s).
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« Reply #3069 on: July 21, 2020, 12:25:02 am »
You want an American to wear a mask?  Then ask nicely.  You would be surprised what that will get you.  But order an American to wear one?  You may end up with a boatload of masks tossed into the harbor.
You'll get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks don't work, are a conspiratorial plot, etc. If Americans are convinced of something, there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
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« Reply #3070 on: July 21, 2020, 12:31:27 am »
Mixed messages from Day One': Rising cases prove summer is no barrier to COVID-19

Any hopes that summer’s high temperatures might slow the spread of the coronavirus were smashed in June and July by skyrocketing cases across the country, especially in some of the warmest states.

Colin Carlson wasn’t a bit surprised that summer heat failed to curb the virus that causes COVID-19, which has claimed more than 138,000 lives in the U.S. That notion, no matter how many times it was repeated, was never supported by science, said Carlson, an assistant research professor at Georgetown University who studies the relationship between climate change and infectious disease.

The optimistic, though inaccurate forecast was among several persistent misconceptions about heat and light, and other issues related to the spread of the virus, that leave epidemiologists like Carlson increasingly frustrated. They see and hear mixed messages and miscommunications all the time, whether it’s in social media, their circle of friends and family, hastily assembled research papers or the White House.

“My hunch is that most Americans think sunlight and heat kill the virus and you can be outdoors without risk,”  Carlson said, but if you’re in a group, even outside, you can spread and contract the virus. "It's true that not being in a confined space is better but it's not protective."........

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/17/spiking-covid-19-cases-show-summers-heat-doesnt-stop-coronavirus/5447462002/
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« Reply #3071 on: July 21, 2020, 12:37:34 am »
We had two Mormon Missionaries stop by. I always talk with them. I offered my hand. They said we can only bump elbows.

I said what? One kid was from the area of the Marshall Islands. Spoke English well enough.

I told him he had travelled that far to spread the Gospel to me and he had so little Faith he couldn't shake my hand????

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3072 on: July 21, 2020, 12:44:42 am »
You'll get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks don't work, are a conspiratorial plot, etc. If Americans are convinced of something, there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.

Currently, you get a bunch of Facebook memes swearing that masks work, and that edicts issued by governors/mayors/etc. that bypass the legislative process - edicts that hand out prison sentences for non-compliance - are as American as the Declaration of Independence itself.  And there is nothing that you can do to convince them otherwise.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3073 on: July 21, 2020, 02:07:32 am »
(I will also note that the three-foot rule was successfully implemented in Europe along with the masks. A major problem with enforcement here in America is that they're still insisting on the six-foot rule even if you're wearing a mask, so that's part of what's driving the embitterment.)

Well no, it's bullsh*t, which is driving the embitterment. Thankfully, I am finding out just how many think that way... The governor's mandated mask program here ain't doing so well.Everybody flat ignored it... To include the sheriff deputies and city cops who were told to enforce it.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #3074 on: July 21, 2020, 02:08:01 am »
07-21-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  15.016 ↑   1.549 ↓
United States   12.862 ↑    2.141 ↓

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Global Recoveries-to-deaths ratio climbs above 15.


Largest case rises occurred in FL, CA, TX, LA, & GA.

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  +80.

14-day Recovery Deficit - 1,047,010.
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