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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2675 on: June 13, 2020, 06:13:42 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on June 13, 2020, 11:10:35 am
News reports this morning were saying, just as they predicted, new cases of Covid-19 are spiking in states that opened early, prompting governors to consider shutting or slowing down economic activity in their states—again.

Got that? New cases. Not a word about morbidity or mortality rates, just positive cases.

Don’t fall for this. It a media scam. You have to tease out the facts (the science) from the fiction (presidential politics).

Trust me, this is just a continuation of Russian collusion, Ukrainian phone call and orange man bad. All in an effort to muddy the water in the time left before November’s election.
One of those was a big spike brought on by reporting the results of changed testing of prison populations.

(I forget which state)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2676 on: June 13, 2020, 06:20:40 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 13, 2020, 02:13:53 pm
Life in 2020 United States?

Left wing Antifa and BLM seize 6 city blocks of a major US city unabated.
Hairdresser in Texas is arrested for opening her shop.

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Yup,the new "normal".

Can you say "Thank you,DNC and your RINO butt-buddies!"?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2677 on: June 13, 2020, 06:32:22 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 13, 2020, 06:13:42 pm
One of those was a big spike brought on by reporting the results of changed testing of prison populations.

(I forget which state)

If the media were honest, they would report everything right down the line—contextual reporting. But, since it’s plain as day the media is an appendage of the DNC, we get spun news, agenda news, biased news, fake news—take your pick. It’s all a perversion of the free presses’ responsibility under the first amendment. 
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2678 on: June 13, 2020, 06:35:56 pm »
AstraZeneca agrees to make COVID-19 vaccine for Europe

LONDON — Drugmaker AstraZeneca struck a deal Saturday to supply up to 400 million doses of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine to European Union countries, the latest in a series of agreements as scientists, governments and pharmaceutical companies race to combat the virus.

AstraZeneca plans to begin delivering the vaccine to European countries by the end of this year under the agreement with the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, formed this month by France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. All other EU member states will have the chance to take part under the same terms as the original alliance members.........

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2679 on: June 13, 2020, 06:50:35 pm »
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AstraZeneca agrees to make COVID-19 vaccine for Europe

LONDON — Drugmaker AstraZeneca struck a deal Saturday to supply up to 400 million doses of an experimental COVID-19 vaccine to European Union countries, the latest in a series of agreements as scientists, governments and pharmaceutical companies race to combat the virus.

AstraZeneca plans to begin delivering the vaccine to European countries by the end of this year under the agreement with the Inclusive Vaccine Alliance, formed this month by France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. All other EU member states will have the chance to take part under the same terms as the original alliance members.........

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/astrazeneca-agrees-to-make-covid-19-vaccine-for-europe
Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2680 on: June 13, 2020, 06:51:45 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 13, 2020, 06:50:35 pm
Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...

@Smokin Joe

Well,there are a lot of Muslim immigrants,lazing around in Europe.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2681 on: June 13, 2020, 07:58:56 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 13, 2020, 06:50:35 pm
Wow. Thar's a lot of lab rats...

All this is also sounding like geographical Pharma-cartels
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2682 on: June 13, 2020, 08:09:55 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 13, 2020, 07:58:56 pm
All this is also sounding like geographical Pharma-cartels

Can't say I blame them for conducting trials where they are allowed to.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2683 on: June 13, 2020, 08:17:25 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 13, 2020, 08:09:55 pm
Can't say I blame them for conducting trials where they are allowed to.

But the way I read it, is that AZ will be preparing the vaccine exclusively for Europe. 
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2684 on: June 13, 2020, 08:38:08 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 13, 2020, 08:17:25 pm
But the way I read it, is that AZ will be preparing the vaccine exclusively for Europe.

Really?  Cool.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2685 on: June 13, 2020, 08:55:54 pm »
Daily Chart: comparing neutralizing titers from four COVID-19 vaccines in non-human primates



https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2686 on: June 13, 2020, 09:03:15 pm »
Quote from: LadyLiberty on June 13, 2020, 08:55:54 pm
Daily Chart: comparing neutralizing titers from four COVID-19 vaccines in non-human primates



https://www.biocentury.com/article/305421

Any Pharma research experts out there who can tell us what this exactly means?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2687 on: June 13, 2020, 09:11:30 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on June 13, 2020, 09:03:15 pm
Any Pharma research experts out there who can tell us what this exactly means?

Yes, English would be a plus.

@catfish1957 ?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2688 on: June 13, 2020, 10:01:30 pm »
The bar graph shows the level of antibodies made in response to the vaccine when given to primates.  Those antibodies neutralize the virus.  The Novavax approach seems to get a much higher response than the other three.

I am roughly familiar with stuff like this after taking second semester Sophomore biology in college (disease and immunity).  We had New Zealand white rabbits and inoculated them weekly with serratia marcescens (harmless to the rabbit), took blood samples, and ran the titers to demonstrate the weekly increase in antibodies.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2689 on: June 14, 2020, 12:54:54 am »
06-13-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  9.800 ↑  1.842 ↑
United States  7.207 ↑  2.514 ↓
China 16.911 ↑  1.060 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, NC, AZ.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2690 on: June 14, 2020, 01:08:37 am »
06-14-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  9.981 ↑  1.822 ↓
United States  7.267 ↑  2.508 ↓
China 16.911 -  1.060 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -4

Top 5 case rises in order CA, FL, TX, AZ, NC.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2691 on: June 14, 2020, 01:44:10 am »
Florida's case increase does look kind of concerning at this point. It's showing some signs of exponential increase.

I don't attribute it to "easing social distancing" because it would've happened sooner than a month and a half into it if that were the case. Something else seems to be going on there, particularly in the Miami area.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2692 on: June 19, 2020, 12:28:21 am »
06-16-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  10.228 ↑    1.810 ↓
United States  7.523 ↑  2.453 ↓
China 16.912 -  1.061 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -161
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2693 on: June 19, 2020, 12:32:54 am »
06-17-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  10.333 ↑    1.794 ↓
United States   7.580 ↑   2.446 ↓
China 16.913 ↑   1.062 ↑


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -244
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2694 on: June 19, 2020, 12:37:54 am »
06-18-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  10.477 ↑    1.790 ↓
United States    7.671 ↑    2.430 ↓
China  16.914 ↑    1.062 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -173

Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2695 on: June 19, 2020, 11:07:53 pm »
06-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov
Global (excluding China & US)  10.560 ↑    1.778 ↓
United States    7.714 ↑    2.431 ↑
China  16.917 ↑    1.062 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -157

Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2696 on: June 19, 2020, 11:25:50 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 19, 2020, 11:07:53 pm
06-19-2020 | 0:00 GMT

REGIONRecov:Death     Cases:Recov



Global (excluding China & US)  10.560 ↑    1.778 ↓
United States    7.714 ↑    2.431 ↑
China  16.917 ↑    1.062 -


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Today's new US Deaths compared to new deaths seven days ago:  -157

Top 5 case rises in order CA, TX, FL, AZ, NC.

With the rise in cases in the most populated states in the country, it's just a matter of time before the death toll rises significantly.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2697 on: June 22, 2020, 04:47:06 pm »
Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail, but still...

Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of death from coronavirus
Anglia Ruskin University has found European populations with lower vitamin D levels have had a significantly higher death rate. Another study, carried out in Indonesia, revealed 98.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients with a vitamin D deficiency died.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html

(This would also explain why we haven't seen the dramatic rise in deaths in sunny states even as cases have risen.)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2698 on: June 22, 2020, 07:01:05 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on June 22, 2020, 04:47:06 pm
Yeah, I know, it's the Daily Mail, but still...

Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of death from coronavirus
Anglia Ruskin University has found European populations with lower vitamin D levels have had a significantly higher death rate. Another study, carried out in Indonesia, revealed 98.9 per cent of Covid-19 patients with a vitamin D deficiency died.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8444915/Sunshine-diet-Vitamin-D-plays-vital-role-fighting-coronavirus.html

(This would also explain why we haven't seen the dramatic rise in deaths in sunny states even as cases have risen.)

Better close the beaches agan!   *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #2699 on: June 22, 2020, 07:06:52 pm »
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We now have mortality data for the first few months of 2020 for many countries, and, as you might expect, there were steep increases associated with the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic in each one.

Surprisingly, however, these increases did not begin before the lockdowns were imposed, but after. Moreover, in almost every case, they began immediately after. Often, mortality numbers were on a downward trend before suddenly reversing course after lockdowns were decreed.  ... 

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: If health authorities vastly underestimated the prevalence of the virus at the beginning of the pandemic, why did the virus nevertheless wait until lockdowns were imposed to suddenly start killing at levels which exceeded normal deaths?
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