World Coronavirus News II with Updates

[musiclady]

For the record, I wasn't the one deleting other people's posts because I didn't like what they said.  Just sayin'.

That was wrong.  Any time someone censors opinions they don’t like, it’s wrong.

And so is calling people names to try to get them to stop posting articles you don’t like.

How bout you post your opinions and findings (like you have been doing), and leave the mockery behind?

It doesn’t look good on you.

[txradioguy]

Because I’m not afraid.

Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

I just figure that the people trying to stop information from being shared are the ones who are afraid.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

Truth is like fresh air.  Suppressing it is unhealthy.

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

The problem is most certainly not differing opinions.  The problem is calling people “Chicken Little” because they don’t want to see opinions they don’t like.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.

Now stop projecting, okay?

Physician heal thyself.

[Idiot]

Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.

[musiclady]

Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.

Not a single word you’ve said here is true.

Not one.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to put you on ignore for a while so I don’t lose any more respect for you as an honest broker.

But since I won’t be seeing any more of your posts, know that my faith has never been stronger and my confidence, trust and lack of fear more powerful.

I pray you and yours stay well and that your anger diminishes.

Peace.

[musiclady]

Every word he said is false.

There won’t be any entertainment for you since one cannot argue with what is not there.

[Cyber Liberty]

 

[txradioguy]

That was wrong.  Any time someone censors opinions they don’t like, it’s wrong.

And so is calling people names to try to get them to stop posting articles you don’t like.

How bout you post your opinions and findings (like you have been doing), and leave the mockery behind?

It doesn’t look good on you.

[txradioguy]

Not a single word you’ve said here is true.

Not one.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to put you on ignore for a while so I don’t lose any more respect for you as an honest broker.

But since I won’t be seeing any more of your posts, know that my faith has never been stronger and my confidence, trust and lack of fear more powerful.

I pray you and yours stay well and that your anger diminishes.

Peace.

You just can’t help yourself can you? 

Everything you’re replying to me with is nothing but projection.

Last time I saw someone with a case this bad they were at DU.

Let that sink in for a moment before you reply.

[txradioguy]

Every word he said is false.

There won’t be any entertainment for you since one cannot argue with what is not there.

Then prove me wrong.

Stop the weapons grade Liberal projecting and prove me wrong.

[musiclady]

I’m really sorry about this because until the last couple of days I have had more respect for @txradioguy than practically anyone else on this forum.

I have put him on temporary ignore, so you can rest assured that there will be no further conflict between us.

And if there’s any from him I will neither see nor respond to it.

[txradioguy]

I’m really sorry about this because until the last couple of days I have had more respect for @txradioguy than practically anyone else on this forum.

I have put him on temporary ignore, so you can rest assured that there will be no further conflict between us.

And if there’s any from him I will neither see nor respond to it.

You can stop with the patronizing bullsh*t. No one buys it and it’s insulting to my intelligence.

[Mod2]

Once again, management requests that members stay on topic, and that does not include ripping into one another.

[Fishrrman]

Once-Ler wrote (referencing an economist article):
"More behind paywall at link"

There's no paywall if all you want is to read the text.
Just disable javascript and reload the page.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Then prove me wrong.

Stop the weapons grade Liberal projecting and prove me wrong.

I'll pass.  I'm shell-shocked from the last three casualties of the forum.  I'm all out of fight today, but @musiclady not only has the right to her opinion, but I think she's right.

[musiclady]

I'll pass.  I'm shell-shocked from the last three casualties of the forum.  I'm all out of fight today, but @musiclady not only has the right to her opinion, but I think she's right.

Thank you! 

(And I have no obligation to ‘prove’ what is wrongly in someone else’s imagination. I am completely at peace with the truth.  And I’m not going anywhere! ..... the others will come back when they’re ready).

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Once-Ler wrote (referencing an economist article):
"More behind paywall at link"

There's no paywall if all you want is to read the text.
Just disable javascript and reload the page.

Very cool @Fishrrman .  Thank you.

[jmyrlefuller]

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1.full.pdf
Indoor transmission of SARS-CoV-2

An assessment of Chinese coronavirus spread clusters outside Wuhan.

Takeaway: it spreads almost exclusively in enclosed environments.

[Smokin Joe]

Your who sky is falling mentality about this virus says otherwise.

You mean like telling someone to stay off certain threads if they disagree with your worldview?

That makes you one of the most unhealthy people around here then.

Do you understand the term stepping on rakes?  No?  You should look it up.


Physician heal thyself.

Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

Now for the good news. We're still here. We live in the most innovative and free country on the planet. Because of that, whatever comes, with the Grace of God, we will prevail.

So, while it's scary, we're going to make it. Different people will have more reason to be scared. i get that, but fear is rational, while panic is pure limbic brain fight or flight.
As long as we avoid the latter, we're going to be okay as a nation, and as a group.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds

COVID-19 not man-made, comparative genomic study finds

The COVID-19 virus causing the pandemic evolved from naturally occurring strains, according to a new comparative genomic analysis.

"By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes," corresponding author Kristian Andersen, an immunology and microbiology researcher affiliated with the Scripps Research Institute and the Scripps Research Translational Institute, said in a statement.

As they reported in a correspondence article published in Nature Medicine on Tuesday, Andersen and colleagues from the U.S., Australia, and the U.K. brought together publicly available genome sequence data for alpha- and beta-coronaviruses found in a wide range of animal hosts, along with data from SARS-CoV-2 isolates and other coronaviruses infecting humans.

The team saw signs of natural selection acting on key coronavirus genome features such as the receptor-binding domain (RBD) sequences and sequences spanning so-called "polybasic cleavage sites," which contribute to spike protein characteristics that help the virus latch on to, and blast into, animal cells.

"The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of COVID-19 in humans," the authors wrote, adding that "since we observed all notable COVID-19 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible."

more at link...

Aside from the headline, I don't know what any of that means.

[Smokin Joe]

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/safety-quality/covid-19-not-man-made-comparative-genomic-study-finds

COVID-19 not man-made, comparative genomic study finds

more at link...

Aside from the headline, I don't know what any of that means.

Similar proteins to the ones found in pangolins illegally imported into Guangdong Province...

versus identical proteins found in the CoV variant from bats and the SARS virus from mice used in research in Wuhan in the BSL-4 lab there?
Two provinces away from Guangdong, or a few kilometers (at most) from the lab?

Seriously? I'm not buying it.

[bigheadfred]

Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?


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[Smokin Joe]

Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?


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I figured you were just blowing off steam, Fred. A guy has to take a break from this from time to time and look around at the reasons it's all worth it (or go fishing, or something) or this stuff will get to you.
I just spent three hours plus working on my Tahoe with a friend, trying to get the new distributor set right. The scanner says it's still 20 degrees off, but it runs good. The old one was bent??? (No idea how that happened, but that wicked squeak under the hood is gone and it runs a lot smoother.)

I might be looking to replace the timing set soon, though. Still, it was a break and something different.

[DB]

Same.

Please.

I don't care if any of you have me on ignore. I blew a gasket last night because of this subject matter on this page.

I don't put people on ignore.

THIS forum has a great many very intelligent, schooled, educated, experienced CONSERVATIVES.

Ya ain't showing your conservatism.

Why don't we stop this BS of "social distancing" amongst ourselves?

I want to be here. I choose to be here. If I wanted to be treated like trash, I'll go to the casino and take my chances there.

Just kidding. The casinos are closed.

If I want to be treated like trash, I'll go to church.

Do people actually know how to listen? To anything? Especially them selves?


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[musiclady]

Well, in all fairness, this is an unknown pathogen, it's new, a chimera made in a lab. We don't have a clue how it will act nor how people (medically) will react and whether or not it is engineered to adapt to attempts to develop a vaccine, or to come around in successive waves, still contagious, just slightly changed.

Now for the good news. We're still here. We live in the most innovative and free country on the planet. Because of that, whatever comes, with the Grace of God, we will prevail.

So, while it's scary, we're going to make it. Different people will have more reason to be scared. i get that, but fear is rational, while panic is pure limbic brain fight or flight.
As long as we avoid the latter, we're going to be okay as a nation, and as a group.

Good post.

I have never been more confident that we will come out of this as a nation, stronger than we were before.

[bigheadfred]

@Smokin Joe  @Once-Ler

Some of the first epidemiology papers I read indicated that this virus has the earmarks of being an "old" virus. Meaning that when it first appeared in horseshoe bats it didn't take. A least before the "herd immunity" of horseshoe bats stopped it. So it didn't have the time or abliity for cross-species adaptations.

Immune systems constantly adapt to the constant adaptations of bacteria and viruses.

History lesson.

Published in final edited form as:
Crit Care Med. 2010 Apr; 38(4 Suppl): e10–e20.
doi: 10.1097/CCM.0b013e3181ceb25b
PMCID: PMC3180813
NIHMSID: NIHMS320487
PMID: 20048675
The 1918 influenza pandemic: Lessons for 2009 and the future
David M. Morens, MD, Jeffery K. Taubenberger, MD, PhD, Hillery A. Harvey, PhD, and Matthew J. Memoli, MD, MS

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180813/

This virus, from what I can glean, doesn't exhibit natural adaptation.

Later here and lately all these other experts are saying otherwise.

What do they say about first impressions?