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Good for them!  Every non-Chinese company with manufacturing there should be pulling out.

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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1151 on: April 09, 2020, 05:53:04 pm »
Maybe she means the researchers in North Carolina from back in 2015 who were splicing Bat coronavirus into mouse adapted SARS-CoV backbones and inventing new more lethal human infecting forms resistant to vaccines or drugs, alongside two Chinese researchers from Wuhan. https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

Maybe they "knew something", too.
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1152 on: April 09, 2020, 05:54:32 pm »
Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/7649/prepare_for_the_mother_of_all_s_t_storms_if_sweden_pulls_this_off

https://www.thecollegefix.com/epidemiologist-coronavirus-could-be-exterminated-if-lockdowns-were-lifted/
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1153 on: April 09, 2020, 06:17:46 pm »
Be all that as it may, we actually have a petri dish that will help us understand the value or non-value of strong mitigation.  It's called "Sweden".

Infections in Sweden have risen exponentially since February and their death rates surpass their neighboring countries by astonishing rates.  The PM now cautions that death rates will be measured in the thousands and has presented Parliament with a plan to implement the type of lockdown other countries have been under for weeks.  Lots of information is found by entering "Coronavirus in Sweden" as a Google search. 

Sweden is worth watching if one is open to the possibility that early and strong mitigation works. 

Right here in the US ... I'd point you to California's infection and death curve after an earlier "lockdown" and compare it with New York's.  Which state is better off?

As a final observation, the "your own Dr. Fauci" is unfounded and a bit too snarky.  I hope you can rein in this kneejerk reaction.
Ever been to NYC?  They are so crammed together that I'm surprised it's not worse.

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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1154 on: April 09, 2020, 06:19:07 pm »
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

Of course I'm referring to the real world, not the internet fantasy forum of anonymous brilliant Keyboard Wizards, Warriors, and Cowboys.
It's always the engineers fault.   happy77

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Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’ as he continues coronavirus recovery
www.thesun.co.uk
ON THE MEND
Boris Johnson is out of intensive care and is ‘extremely good spirits’ as he continues coronavirus recovery
9 Apr 2020, 19:22
Updated: 9 Apr 2020, 19:24
BORIS Johnson is now out of intensive care and is in "extremely good spirits".’

More:  https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11366626/boris-johnson-is-out-of-intensive-care-and-is-good-spirits-as-he-continues-coronavirus-recovery/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
« Last Edit: April 09, 2020, 06:27:56 pm by TomSea »

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Sounds very reasonable. I think that should be mainly directed towards smaller companies. The larger companies should pay for the move themselves. They lead this trend towards moving production to China in the first place. Others had to follow to remain competitive.

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That's good to hear.

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Terrific news.  I pray for a full recovery.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk

Still being treated in the hospital but out of urgent care.

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Great news!
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1161 on: April 09, 2020, 07:20:57 pm »
Yep.   Their leadership doesn't exist.  Their common sense doesn't exist.  Their concern for life doesn't exist.

IOW, they are all around stupid.

For the first few weeks of this, they spent all their time blaming Trump and doing nothing.  The people of their states are the losers for it.

(And I didn't even mention New York in my list of messed up states).
Since urban populations tend to vote Democrat, I'd also note that high population density, public transportation and crowded elevators, sidewalks, and other public spaces are just a pathogen's dream when it comes to hopping hosts.

The less urban, the more open space, social distancing comes naturally and easily, and the more likely folks are to vote GOP.
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1162 on: April 09, 2020, 07:23:39 pm »
How come Geologists and Reservoir Engineers, drill so many dry holes?

Could it be they are doing the best they can with the data they have?

Of course I'm referring to the real world, not the internet fantasy forum of anonymous brilliant Keyboard Wizards, Warriors, and Cowboys.
Economics. If y'all would just pay $100/bbl, then there would be a lot more productive wells out there.
BTW, I have only been on one dry hole in the past 20 years, and that was a rank wildcat in the Paradox Basin.
Some data is better than other data.
And I still know  a couple of working cowboys, too.
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1163 on: April 09, 2020, 07:45:24 pm »
Since urban populations tend to vote Democrat, I'd also note that high population density, public transportation and crowded elevators, sidewalks, and other public spaces are just a pathogen's dream when it comes to hopping hosts.

The less urban, the more open space, social distancing comes naturally and easily, and the more likely folks are to vote GOP.

Agree with every point.

Though we are a relatively densely populated state, Ohio has a mix of urban and rural populations.  The big cities vote Dem but the rest of the state (including where I live) is quite conservative.

I’ve spent time in your wide open spaces, and understand your lower numbers just because of the sparsely settled areas across a vast expanse.

Here it’s more complex, but I will always believe (based on the facts) that the strong conservative leadership we have in the state and the mitigation that took place early in the game is the reason our numbers are not only lower than the larger states around, but that we have already leveled off in terms of the expected surge.

We have been given factual, honest information about what was going on, and thankfully the vast majority of us have willingly complied, and I think that’s why our state is going to come out of this sooner and more successfully than Michigan and PA where partisan liberalism set them way back.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1164 on: April 09, 2020, 07:47:32 pm »
Agree with every point.

Though we are a relatively densely populated state, Ohio has a mix of urban and rural populations.  The big cities vote Dem but the rest of the state (including where I live) is quite conservative.

I’ve spent time in your wide open spaces, and understand your lower numbers just because of the sparsely settled areas across a vast expanse.

Here it’s more complex, but I will always believe (based on the facts) that the strong conservative leadership we have in the state and the mitigation that took place early in the game is the reason our numbers are not only lower than the larger states around, but that we have already leveled off in terms of the expected surge.

We have been given factual, honest information about what was going on, and thankfully the vast majority of us have willingly complied, and I think that’s why our state is going to come out of this sooner and more successfully than Michigan and PA where partisan liberalism set them way back.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk

Still being treated in the hospital but out of urgent care.
Bet he got the malaria drug cocktail.

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Bet he got the malaria drug cocktail.
It will be interesting to see what treatment he got.
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It will be interesting to see what treatment he got.
If he got Trump pills it will be huge.
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1169 on: April 09, 2020, 09:00:40 pm »
Ever been to NYC?  They are so crammed together that I'm surprised it's not worse.

Yes, I know.  My only point is the curve in NYC didn't begin to flatten until Cuomo and DeBlasio could decide on a lockdown, so imagine if they had done so earlier instead of inviting New Yorkers to ride the subway, go to restaurants, plays, parades and not change how they live their lives one iota.   :shrug:

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« Reply #1170 on: April 09, 2020, 09:01:48 pm »
This also serves nicely as a sunhat ...



I'm sure it does but that is irrelevant to the question you asked AND the links I posted in response.
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Gateway Pundit by Jim Hoft 4/9/2020

HUGE EXCLUSIVE: Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli Ran Coronavirus Research in Wuhan After US Project Was Shut Down by DHS in 2014 for Being Too Risky -- PRIOR LEAK KILLED RESEARCHER

Chinese Doctor Shi Zhengli was part of a team that working on a coronavirus project jointly with US doctors in 2014 before it was shut down by the DHS for being too risky. 

After the US research project was shut down, Dr. Shi continued her coronavirus research in Wuhan, China.

Doctor Shi Zhengli from China was part of a team, including Doctor Ralph S. Baric, that published an article in a 2015 edition of Nature Medicine.

In the article they discussed bat coronaviruses that showed potential for human emergence.  The article was published in 2015.

This report was published shortly after their project was defunded by the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

The HHS in 2014 sent a letter to the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill where they announced they were going to defund the program.

More: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/huge-exclusive-chinese-doctor-shi-zhengli-ran-coronavirus-research-wuhan-us-project-shut-dhs-2014-risky-prior-leak-killed-researcher/

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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1172 on: April 09, 2020, 09:27:11 pm »
Well, if it is his Vietnam, let's remember who lost that war. It wasn't the troops on the ground, it was the Media and the Democrats.

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The same ones that started our involvement in it,and then refused to let our troops fight to win.
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Re: World Coronavirus News II with Updates
« Reply #1173 on: April 09, 2020, 09:41:09 pm »
Economics. If y'all would just pay $100/bbl, then there would be a lot more productive wells out there.
BTW, I have only been on one dry hole in the past 20 years, and that was a rank wildcat in the Paradox Basin.
Some data is better than other data.
And I still know  a couple of working cowboys, too.

I was referring to "Keyboard Cowboys."
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truth seeker mused:
"If he got Trump pills it will be huge."

Do you think anyone in the media is going to be so inquisitive as to ask about his treatment...?