Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion

[XenaLee]

China is very probably lying about the number of deaths. It isn't likely they'd quarantine 50 million people for 50 deaths - especially in China. The flu kills far more.

You can't trust anything coming out of China.

Add to that... the fact that China couldn't care less about loss of human life.... they have way too many people already... they probably wouldn't mind losing a hundred million or two (they have 1300 million population) of their own people if they could create a similar problem in their enemy nations.  I think we probably should consider this an act of war.  A subtle, passive aggressive one, but still war.

[Gefn]

They are pretty much sold out of face masks on Amazon. And the ones they have are wayyyyy expensive.

[Free Vulcan]

中华人民共和国驻推特舆情监控委员会
@cncommittee

#Wuhan #coronavirus At the press conference just now, the mayor of Wuhan said that more than 5 million people left Wuhan and the remaining 9 million stayed in Wuhan.

9:02 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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https://twitter.com/cncommittee/status/1221448391546138625

[XenaLee]

中华人民共和国驻推特舆情监控委员会
@cncommittee

#Wuhan #coronavirus At the press conference just now, the mayor of Wuhan said that more than 5 million people left Wuhan and the remaining 9 million stayed in Wuhan.

9:02 AM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
29  Retweets 26  Likes

https://twitter.com/cncommittee/status/1221448391546138625

I've seen this movie.   It doesn't end well.

[Free Vulcan]

Quick burials and lack of tests raise fears coronavirus outbreak is much bigger than China admits

The corpse of Chen Min was wrapped in a yellow body bag with tape when it was delivered to the funeral home by workers in hazmat suits. The staff disinfected the van they travelled in and disposed of protective gear.

Despite being pressured into a quick cremation by authorities, the grieving family did not know if the 65-year-old had died from the novel coronavirus sweeping China. And they still don't.

Official figures estimate that 41 people have died so far and 1,300 have been infected. But experts at Imperial College reckon as many as 9,700 could have come down the disease.

The swift disposal of Ms Chen's body raises further questions about the scale of the problem.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/25/quick-burials-lack-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/

[Free Vulcan]

I've seen this movie.   It doesn't end well.

No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.

[XenaLee]

No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.

And with the possibility that hundreds of potentially infected Chinese are on their way or arriving in the USA... as we speak.

[Gefn]

4th US Case of Coronavirus Confirmed in LA

This is the fourth confirmed case in the United States.

By Sydney Kalich   â€¢ Published 1 hour ago   â€¢ Updated 1 min ago

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health has confirmed the first case of novel coronavirus in Los Angeles County, the department said Sunday.

The person infected with the virus is a returning traveler from Wuhan City, China and is receiving care at a local hospital, officials confirm.

This is the fourth confirmed case in the United States.

A case of novel coronavirus was confirmed Saturday in Orange County.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/los-angeles-countys-first-case-of-deadly-novel-coronavirus-confirmed/2267776/

[DB]

A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.

The Chinese are lying big time.

The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???

And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.

[skeeter]

A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.

The Chinese are lying big time.

The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???

And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.

With the west finally beginning to push back against their unfair trade practices and now this I agree there may be a perfect storm brewing for the Chicoms. Chinese social media may provide some validation of that - there's alot of anger there.

[mountaineer]

Who knew so many Americans traveled to Wuhan?

[Free Vulcan]

Virus-hit Wuhan has two laboratories linked to Chinese bio-warfare program

The deadly animal virus epidemic spreading globally may have originated in a Wuhan laboratory linked to China’s covert biological weapons program, according to an Israeli biological warfare expert.

Radio Free Asia this week rebroadcast a local Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory known the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Radio Free Asia reported.

The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.

Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese bio warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert biological weapons program.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/24/virus-hit-wuhan-has-two-laboratories-linked-chines/

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BTW I've got a custom Twitter feed off the search term (#WuhanCoronavirus OR #Wuhan OR #coronavirus OR #CoronavirusOutbreak OR #VirusWuhan OR #ChinaCoronaVirus  OR #CoronaOutbreak OR #WuhanPneumonia). Catch alot of current news and updates from that.

[libertybele]

No, especially not on a virus that incubates 10 days to 2 weeks, is contagious before it's symptomatic, and started in a city with a level 4 viral research lab.

Now would be a really, really good time to CLOSE OUR BORDERS.  Perfect excuse to keep everybody the heck out of here.

[libertybele]

A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.

The Chinese are lying big time.

The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???

And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.

Several reports are coming in that this virus originated from a bio war lab. 

Yes they are lying, but so is the CDC who is saying -- not to worry  - take precautions just like you would for the flu.  B.S.  I still think we are going to see a pandemic. 

[Free Vulcan]

A large number of the population has to be infected in order for so many people to have arrived in other countries in such short order. Wuhan is a large city of millions of people. The people who traveled to other countries from there has to be a tiny percentage - yet that tiny percentage was infected.

The Chinese are lying big time.

The real question is how deadly is this virus??? Was it natural or man made???

And if it is particularly deadly China may be at the crossroads of a great upheaval.

Alot of people got out of Wuhan before it was locked down...an estimated 5 to 9 million people. That's why China has 50 million locked down on quarantine now.

The Chinese govt has called it a grave situation, but no specifics. So yes they are being a little withdrawn on info and the truth.

And there is at least one level 4 biolab in Wuhan that deals in the nasty stuff, and they were warned about a breach potential two years ago.

[Free Vulcan]

China coronavirus 'spreads before symptoms show'

Fifty-six people have died from the virus. Health minister Ma Xiaowei told reporters the ability of the virus to spread appeared to be strengthening.

Several Chinese cities have imposed significant travel restrictions.

Wuhan in Hubei, the source of the outbreak, is in effective lockdown.

The infections were at a "crucial stage of containment", Ma Xiaowei said.

Officials announced that the sale of all wildlife in China would be banned from Sunday. The virus is thought to have originated in animals, but no cause has been officially identified.

In humans, the incubation period - during which a person has the disease, but no symptoms yet - ranges from between one and 14 days, officials believe.

Without symptoms, a person may not know they have the infection, but still be able to spread it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523

[Free Vulcan]

Chinese Doctor Concerned That Wuhan Pneumonia Outbreak Will Get Worse

A doctor in Wuhan City who has been treating patients with Wuhan pneumonia disclosed some alarming information about the new virus, and expressed concern that the disease will be out of control in the next several months due to the authorities’ slow response and lack of transparency.

The doctor, surnamed Xu, spoke to U.S.-based Chinese media Secret China on the condition of anonymity on Jan. 24.

He disclosed that by Dec. 31, 27 patients were confirmed to have been infected by the coronavirus, but Wuhan’s public health officials decided not to inform the public of the new disease. Moreover, some features of the novel coronavirus make it more dangerous than SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome).

https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-doctor-concerned-that-wuhan-pneumonia-outbreak-will-get-worse_3215018.html

[Free Vulcan]

CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
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5m
#CoronavirusOutbreak in China:
- 2,761 confirmed cases, including 17 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 80 deaths
- 51 cured
- 5,794 suspected cases

What alot of people don't understand, is that they think unless this is some kind of a killer virus like ebola with a high mortality rate then oh well it's not a big deal.

I've read unconfirmed reports that the kill rate for the virus is 15%, but for grins and giggles let's call it a nice round 10%.

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I live in a county with 36K people...

If half are infected, that's 18K people...

If half of those get seriously sick, that's 9K people. Enough there to overwhelm the hospitals and probably about shut everything down...

If 10% of the infected die, that's 1800 people. We see an average of 25 deaths a week in this county. We don't have near the facilities here to deal with the bodies...

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Bottom line is infection rates will be way higher in places like NYC v. rural Montana. The averages will be way skewed.

The ripple effects will be way beyond the death toll. Shortages, lost production, overwhelmed facilities, disruptiion of services, and who knows what kind of SHTF in the cities.

That why I take this particular outbreak seriously, because it seems highly contagious and slow to manifest, and the various world govts don't seem very quick on the stick in containing it.

[Smokin Joe]

What alot of people don't understand, is that they think unless this is some kind of a killer virus like ebola with a high mortality rate then oh well it's not a big deal.

I've read unconfirmed reports that the kill rate for the virus is 15%, but for grins and giggles let's call it a nice round 10%.

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I live in a county with 36K people...

If half are infected, that's 18K people...

If half of those get seriously sick, that's 9K people. Enough there to overwhelm the hospitals and probably about shut everything down...

If 10% of the infected die, that's 1800 people. We see an average of 25 deaths a week in this county. We don't have near the facilities here to deal with the bodies...

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Bottom line is infection rates will be way higher in places like NYC v. rural Montana. The averages will be way skewed.

The ripple effects will be way beyond the death toll. Shortages, lost production, overwhelmed facilities, disruptiion of services, and who knows what kind of SHTF in the cities.

That why I take this particular outbreak seriously, because it seems highly contagious and slow to manifest, and the various world govts don't seem very quick on the stick in containing it.

I agree with your assessment. If anyone wants to understand the potential, look up the 1918 Flu Epidemic.

Local hospitals have very few beds in isolation, and chances are the infection would have spread considerably if it gets into a community by the time it is recognized.

[Free Vulcan]

CGTN
@CGTNOfficial
#CoronavirusOutbreak in China:
- 2,761 confirmed cases, including 17 in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan
- 80 deaths
- 51 cured
- 5,794 suspected cases
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6:05 PM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter Web App
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#CoronavirusOutbreak cases outside China:

- Thailand: 7
- Japan: 3
- South Korea: 3
- U.S.: 3
- Vietnam: 2
- Singapore: 4
- Malaysia: 3
- Nepal: 1
- France: 3
- Australia: 4

About 3 hrs old.

[Free Vulcan]

Coronavirus Death Toll Rises to 80 as China Enters 'Crucial Stage', US Prepares Evacuation



Beijing: A new viral illness being watched with a wary eye around the globe accelerated its spread in China with 80 deaths so far, while the U.S. Consulate in the city at the epicenter announced it will evacuate its personnel and some other Americans aboard a charter flight.

China's health minister said the country was entering a “crucial stage" as “it seems like the ability of the virus to spread is getting stronger."

Ma Xiaowei declined to estimate how long it would take to bring the situation under control, but said travel restrictions and other strict measures should bring results “at the lowest cost and fastest speed.”

President Xi Jinping has called the outbreak a grave situation and said the government was stepping up efforts to restrict travel and public gatherings while rushing medical staff and supplies to the city at the center of the crisis, Wuhan, which remains on lockdown with no flights, trains or buses in or out.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/coronavirus-death-toll-rises-to-80-as-china-enters-crucial-stage-us-prepares-evacuation-2474357.html

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Good rundown of the latest.

[Free Vulcan]

Source for this looks to be PBS. Infection/death projections based on the current rates.

[DB]

ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.

[Smokin Joe]

ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.

Problem is, someone infected, even asymptomatic, goes through an airport and it could go almost anywhere. Multiple nodes in no time.

[Free Vulcan]

Ezra Cheung
@ezracheungtoto
#BREAKING: First Chinese official died due to #WuhanPneumonia, says Chinese financial news outlet Caixin @caixin
. Director of the Wuhan Ethnic Affairs Commission, Wang Xianliang, died on January 26 afternoon. All rescue measures were proven ineffectual.

武汉市民宗委原主任王献良因感染新型冠状病毒去世
这是第一位被媒体确认感染新型冠状病毒去世的官员。此前湖北省商务厅副厅长黄谋宏被确认感染新型冠状病毒肺炎
china.caixin.com

8:51 PM · Jan 26, 2020·Twitter Web App
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WorkingBananas
@namirph
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Replying to
@capitulati
China has closed schools until 2/16/2020. Everything is shut down. Caused the Nikkei to drop 1.75%. No volume.

Hope the #EmbassyAttack, #coronavirus, #BoltonBook, #Impeachment don't rock our #markets too much tomorrow.

Confluence of events could expose debt heavy companies.

capitulati
@capitulati
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7m
Replying to
@namirph
China already down 5%