Top Navy officials are threatening to quit if Trump blocks plans to expel Navy SEAL

[TomSea]

Top Navy officials are threatening to quit if Trump blocks plans to expel Navy SEAL
Christopher Woody

    Senior Navy leaders have reportedly threatened to resign or be fired if President Donald Trump intervenes in plans to expel a Navy SEAL accused of war crimes.

    Trump has intervened in several such cases this month, despite strong appeals by military leaders not to do so.


The secretary of the Navy and the admiral overseeing the service's SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if President Donald Trump blocks the expulsion of a member of the elite unit, administration officials told The New York Times.

Read more at: https://www.businessinsider.com/navy-leaders-threat-quit-trump-block-expulsion-navy-seal-gallagher-2019-11

I don't think I saw this covered here, the latest development. Serious.

[dfwgator]

Well, bye.

[Elderberry]

Are the Navy’s admirals forcing a crisis in traditional civil-military affairs?

Navy Times by  Carl Prine 11/22/2019

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/11/21/are-the-navys-admirals-forcing-a-crisis-in-traditional-civil-military-affairs/

Amid a crisis in traditional civilian-military relations, an unconventional commander in chief took to Twitter on Thursday to telegraph his displeasure with Navy leaders who tried to take a SEAL’s trident.

“The Navy will NOT be taking away Warfighter and Navy Seal Eddie Gallagher’s Trident Pin,” President Donald J. Trump tweeted.

“This case was handled very badly from the beginning. Get back to business!”

It remains unclear if Navy leaders consider Trump’s tweet to be an actual order.

And even if it’s an order, they seem to have cast doubt on whether it’s lawful, arguing internally that the fate of Gallagher’s trident is an agency regulatory matter, much like determining whether a pilot can qualify for a license.

Just as the president can’t order the Federal Aviation Administration to certify his son as a pilot, the commander in chief can’t order them to keep Gallagher a SEAL, they’re suggesting behind closed doors.

[Elderberry]

Navy secretary backs admirals in tussle with Trump over SEAL trident, report says

Navy Times by  Carl Prine 11/23/2019

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/11/23/report-navy-secretary-backs-admirals-in-tussle-with-trump-over-seal-trident/

Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer entered the fray Friday against President Donald J. Trump, siding with an embattled rear admiral over the sea service’s right to take away a SEAL’s trident, according to the news agency Reuters.

As a result, it appears that the Navy will proceed with the effort to formally remove Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward “Eddie” Gallagher from the SEAL community despite the commander in chief’s explicit order through twitter to stand down.

What magnified the moment was the top Navy civilian’s disclosure of his decision during the Halifax International Security Forum — inside a foreign city amid an international gathering of national security experts.

“I believe the process matters for good order and discipline,” Spencer told Reuters, siding openly with Naval Special Warfare commander Rear. Adm. Collin Green in his attempt to haul Gallagher and three SEAL officers before a Trident Review Board to determine if they are qualified to remain in the elite teams.

[skeeter]

How many of these guys are the perfumed princes who stepped into the shoes of the better leaders Obama drove out.

Good riddance.

BTW did anyone else notice the article contradicted itself in the second sentence?

[libertybele]

President Trump is Commander and Chief of the Military.  Let them quit.

[dfwgator]

President Trump is Commander and Chief of the Military.  Let them quit.

Just like the folks at the State Department think they get to set foreign policy.

[truth_seeker]

Putting this out in public, is not helpfull.

[skeeter]

Putting this out in public, is not helpfull.

The navy secretary denied it.

[Elderberry]

How many of these guys are the perfumed princes who stepped into the shoes of the better leaders Obama drove out.

Good riddance.

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday doesn't appear to be a "Perfumed Prince":

How the Navy's Next CNO Earned a Combat Award During Desert Storm

Then Lt. Michael Gilday was the Princeton's tactical action officer. Just seconds after the first blast, the ship triggered a second mine "that nearly split Princeton in half and tossed men about for seven seconds," according to the Navy History Division.

Water was pouring into some sections of the ship, creating fire and shock hazards. The ship sounded general quarters, sending the crewmembers to their battle stations. But the radar and combat systems were down, leaving Princeton essentially defenseless.

As others raced to assess the cruiser's damage, Gilday "rapidly brought his combat system back on the line and personally carried out the duties of the Local Anti-Air Warfare Commander."

Seven sailors were injured between the two blasts on the Princeton and another mine explosion on the nearby amphibious assault ship Tripoli that tore a roughly 20-foot-wide hole through that vessel's hull, according to a Washington Post report at the time.

Gilday and the rest of the Princeton's "exhausted crewmen manned their Battle Stations until the [salvage tug] Beaufort towed their ship clear the following day," it adds.

Cotton commended Gilday's service during the hearing. The future CNO's comments about saving a damaged ship come as work continues to repair a pair of destroyers involved in two separate deadly collisions in the Pacific in 2017.

"I think it's good that your sailors know that Vice Adm. Gilday was once Lt. Gilday ... and you know what it's like to be a sailor and a leader out on the front lines," Cotton said.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/08/07/how-navys-next-cno-earned-combat-award-during-desert-storm.html

[skeeter]

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday doesn't appear to be a "Perfumed Prince":

Maybe not, but there's no way to tell from the article you provided.

[truth_seeker]

Powdered princes or not, openly defying the CIC, is not done.

Truman fired MacArthur for similar mistakes.

 

[Bigun]

Well, bye.

  My sentiments exactly!

[Fishrrman]

Title:
"Top Navy officials are threatening to quit if Trump blocks plans to expel Navy SEAL"

Sounds good to me.
Gentlemen, step forward and file your retirement papers.
Goodbye!

[Elderberry]

US Navy secretary denies he threatened to resign over Trump SEAL intervention

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/11/23/us-navy-secretary-denies-he-threatened-to-resigned-over-trump-seal-intervention/

Navy Secretary Richard V. Spencer denied Saturday he has threatened to resign over President Donald Trump’s intervention in the case of a Navy SEAL convicted of posing for photos with a dead prisoner of war.

“Contrary to popular belief, I’m still here. I did not threaten to resign,” Spencer said at the Halifax International Security Forum, where Spencer was speaking on a panel about the Arctic. “Let’s just say we are here to talk about to talk about external threats and Eddie Gallagher is not one of them.”

Spencer, the Navy’s top civilian, also said he would comply if Trump orders him to stop plans for a Navy hearing to decide whether to strip Special Warfare Operator Chief Edward “Eddie” Gallagher of his SEAL trident.

Though Trump tweeted Thursday that post-conviction administrative proceedings against Gallagher should be scuttled, Spencer said he does not interpret tweets as the formal orders he would require to act.

“If the president requests that the process stop, the process stops,” Spencer told reporters later. “Good order and discipline is also obeying orders from the president of the United States.”

[sneakypete]

THAT is supposed to be a THREAT?????

ROFLMAO!

[Formerly Once-Ler]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/23/us/politics/navy-discipline-edward-gallagher.html

The secretary of the Navy and the admiral who leads the SEALs have threatened to resign or be fired if plans to expel a commando from the elite unit in a war crimes case are halted by President Trump, administration officials said Saturday.

The high-level pushback to Mr. Trump’s unambiguous assertion on Twitter this past week that the commando, Chief Petty Officer Edward Gallagher, should remain in the unit was an extraordinary development in what was already an extraordinary case, one with few precedents in the history of presidential relations with the American military.

The Navy secretary, Richard V. Spencer, later denied that he had threatened to resign but said disciplinary plans against Chief Gallagher would proceed because he did not consider Mr. Trump’s statement on Twitter to be a formal order. Mr. Spencer added that the president, as commander in chief, had the authority to intervene and that it would stop “the process.”

Chief Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters, was accused of shooting civilians, murdering a captive Islamic State fighter with a hunting knife in Iraq, and threatening to kill SEALs who reported him, among other misconduct. His court-martial ended in acquittal on those charges.

But the Navy ultimately demoted the chief, who was convicted of one charge: bringing discredit to the armed forces by posing for photos with the teenage captive’s dead body. Last Friday, Mr. Trump reversed that demotion, angering Navy officials, including the commander of the SEALs, Rear Adm. Collin Green, who had little choice but to accept the reversal. Nonetheless, they continued with their plans to expel Chief Gallagher from the unit.

When good people bravely stand up against a corrupt government, it inspires more patriots to act.  It's the Lt. Col. Vindman trickle-up effect, and this is just the beginning.

[Wingnut]

Already posted. 

[Absalom]

WW 2 ended in 1945, three quarters of a century ago.
Since then we have engaged in numerous military adventures.
A query; how many were notable and unqualified successes???
The notion that our Officer Class is a clone Julius Caesar is goofy!

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

US Navy secretary denies he threatened to resign over Trump SEAL intervention

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/11/23/us-navy-secretary-denies-he-threatened-to-resigned-over-trump-seal-intervention/

More fake news then.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Chief Gallagher, who counts Mr. Trump as one of his most vocal supporters, was accused of shooting civilians, murdering a captive Islamic State fighter with a hunting knife in Iraq, and threatening to kill SEALs who reported him, among other misconduct. His court-martial ended in acquittal on those charges.

But the Navy ultimately demoted the chief, who was convicted of one charge: bringing discredit to the armed forces by posing for photos with the teenage captive’s dead body. Last Friday, Mr. Trump reversed that demotion, angering Navy officials, including the commander of the SEALs, Rear Adm. Collin Green, who had little choice but to accept the reversal. Nonetheless, they continued with their plans to expel Chief Gallagher from the unit.

So he was acquitted of those charges, and his only crime is posing for a picture? Good riddance to these losers then.

[rangerrebew]

Navy secretary threatened to resign over Trump's request, but not top SEAL commander: officials
By Morgan Phillips, Lucas Tomlinson | Fox News


Navy Secretary Richard Spencer threatened to resign, a charge he denies, if the Navy was not allowed to go through with an administrative review board next month to determine if Eddie Gallagher could remain a SEAL, multiple Navy officials confirmed to Fox News.

Earlier Saturday, The New York Times reported that along with Spencer, Naval Special Warfare (NSW) Commander Rear Adm. Collin Green also threatened to resign if the Navy carries out the request of President Trump to restore Gallagher’s rank to chief petty officer after he was demoted last summer. Gallagher was found not guilty of murdering an Islamic State (ISIS) fighter during a 2017 deployment to Iraq but was convicted of posing for a photo with the dead corpse.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-secretary-top-seal-resignation-trump

[rangerrebew]

During the Civil War, Lincoln once remarked after he learned a general had been ambushed and killed, he hoped the horse was alright.  He said generals were easy to replace but it was hard to replace horses.  Well, these are admirals but they are still easy to replace.  So 

[mystery-ak]

Navy Secretary and Former Goldman Sachs Executive, Richard Spencer, Denies Threatening President Trump…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/23/navy-secretary-and-former-goldman-sachs-executive-richard-spencer-denies-threatening-president-trump/

[jpsb]

Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday doesn't appear to be a "Perfumed Prince":

Was he Chief of Naval Operations when two US Destroyer collided with Merchant shipping? If so I would have fired his ass.

I looked it up he wasn't however there is something very wrong with the US Navy. I can't believe they do not post a watch
on the port and starboard side when steaming at night. That is basic seamanship. The entire US Navy needs a good shake
up.