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Psychiatrists who called Trump dangerous seek to testify in impeachment hearings
by Kimberly Leonard
 | November 08, 2019 04:55 PM



A group of medical experts who claim that President Trump's mental health makes him dangerous and unfit for office is seeking to testify during House impeachment proceedings.

The group, comprising four psychiatrists, a clinical neuropsychologist, a neurologist, and an internist, are planning to announce their availability next week to members of Congress and the media. They'll also be available to consult privately with members of Congress, with 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, or with members of Trump's cabinet.

Dr. Bandy Lee, a Yale School of Medicine psychiatrist, announced the group's plans to the Washington Examiner on Friday.

"We think that hearing about mental health aspects in the context of the impeachment hearings is critical, partly because, for the past 2.5 years we have been very deeply concerned about mental instability of the president, and pretty much all that we have said has born out to be true," she said.

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If Dr. Bandy Lee get to testify then why not @Victoria33?
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If Dr. Bandy Lee get to testify then why not @Victoria33?

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Psychiatrists who called Trump dangerous seek to testify in impeachment hearings
by Kimberly Leonard
 | November 08, 2019 04:55 PM



A group of medical experts who claim that President Trump's mental health makes him dangerous and unfit for office is seeking to testify during House impeachment proceedings.

The group, comprising four psychiatrists, a clinical neuropsychologist, a neurologist, and an internist, are planning to announce their availability next week to members of Congress and the media. They'll also be available to consult privately with members of Congress, with 2020 Democratic presidential candidates, or with members of Trump's cabinet.

Dr. Bandy Lee, a Yale School of Medicine psychiatrist, announced the group's plans to the Washington Examiner on Friday.

"We think that hearing about mental health aspects in the context of the impeachment hearings is critical, partly because, for the past 2.5 years we have been very deeply concerned about mental instability of the president, and pretty much all that we have said has born out to be true," she said.

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Ah.... if only the Salem Witch Trials had been allowed to call "mental health" professionals to testify against the witches.   That would have made it alllllll better. 

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If Dr. Bandy Lee get to testify then why not @Victoria33?
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Dear Ghost church friend, I am not needed to "testify", as I agree with their evaluations.  I have the book put together by Dr. Bandy Lee, of "27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President", title is "THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP".

I would like for them to be included in this Impeachment Inquiry, but I doubt Schiff will allow it due to Republican massive opposition.

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Dear Ghost church friend, I am not needed to "testify", as I agree with their evaluations.  I have the book put together by Dr. Bandy Lee, of "27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President", title is "THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP".

I would like for them to be included in this Impeachment Inquiry, but I doubt Schiff will allow it due to Republican massive opposition.

@Victoria33 I bought the same book based on your opinion a year or so ago. Thank you
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@Victoria33 I bought the same book based on your opinion a year or so ago. Thank you
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Isn't there something, oh, I don't know, unprofessional about a doctor presuming to offer an opinion under oath of someone's mental health when that doctor has never met the person (let alone conducted a medical or psychiatric exam)?
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Isn't there something, oh, I don't know, unprofessional about a doctor presuming to offer an opinion under oath of someone's mental health when that doctor has never met the person (let alone conducted a medical or psychiatric exam)?
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You are speaking about the Goldwater Rule Psychiatrists put in their rules.  That rule does not apply to Psychologists, Licensed Professional Counselors, or other mental health workers.  Plus, these Psychiatrists/Psychologists/other mental health workers/medical doctors, spoken of in this article, have determined Trump's behavior is dangerous to the country to the point they have to speak out.  They are speaking of his behavior and how that behavior suggests certain mental disorders.  They/we have his behavior every single day to evaluate.  One does not need to be with him to see the behavior, over and over and over.

Here is why they are doing this:  The law in Texas and other states requires a mental health worker, such as Psychiatrists and Psychologists, Licensed Professional Counselors/Psychological  Examiners, to go to law enforcement in certain cases - if the patient is a danger to him/herself or others, we are required to notify law enforcement. This is the basis of why they are doing this:  They know he is dangerous due to his erratic behavior and they have an obligation to speak up for the safety of the country.

As I said to @The Ghost, I don't think Shiff will allow them to testify - I wish he would.
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Isn't there something, oh, I don't know, unprofessional about a doctor presuming to offer an opinion under oath of someone's mental health when that doctor has never met the person (let alone conducted a medical or psychiatric exam)?

It's unprofessional for any medical doctor to "diagnose" someone they have not seen. But Trump is different because Orange Man Bad! Behind all the professional-sounding smoke-and-mirrors blather is nothing but pure, unadulterated, partisan politics.
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This is my opinion: I have evaluated Trump's behavior from the time he was a child.  I have seen his behavior constantly for these past years.  Based on my knowledge from individually testing far more than a thousand people, and teaching the tests to other mental health workers, I already know what his Rorschach Test, Thematic Apperception Test, MMPI, WAIS Individual I.Q. Test, plus others, would tell me, except it might be worse than I expect.  In my opinion, the first problem would be, he would be afraid of taking any test, could likely get ill, throw up, if required to do it.  It would take some time to explain why I think that, but, basically I think he can't face the truth about himself; he lives in a mental fantasy world.  If these mental health workers get to testify, you will likely hear similar statements from them.
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Isn't there something, oh, I don't know, unprofessional about a doctor presuming to offer an opinion under oath of someone's mental health when that doctor has never met the person (let alone conducted a medical or psychiatric exam)?

Why stop now?  Opinions is all the idiot left really has to work with.   Extremely biased opinions.
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Can't wait to see how these faux psychiatrists pass this hurdle:

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Among the questions are whether President Trump requested “that a foreign leader and government initiate investigations to benefit the President’s personal political interests” and if he sought to use his office “to apply pressure on the head of state and government of Ukraine to advance the President’s personal political interests,” including leveraging an Oval Office meeting or millions of dollars in military aid.

Schiff also said witnesses must speak to whether the president or administration officials sought to obstruct or cover up any evidence regarding Trump’s actions.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/469440-schiff-outlines-parameters-for-republican-witnesses-in-impeachment

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Of course he's dangerous.
He's the President of the most militarily powerful country in the world.
He's supposed to be "dangerous".
Otherwise the whole world would assume the rest of us are pantywaists and then we'd have to kick their asses to prove otherwise. That would be an expensive and bloody proposition.

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But, sorry, it isn't grounds for impeachment.
That's reserved for "high crimes and misdemeanors".
Being dangerous, in and of itself, is not a crime.

So, being dangerous is Irrelevant, for impeachment purposes, and the shrinks have no standing to testify in a sane proceeding.

If this was a 25th Amendment process, perhaps then, but not in an impeachment hearing.

So, this is another obvious attempt by the Democrat Party to pull the wool over the public's eyes, using irrelevant testimony from people who have never met the man in an attempt to create a presumptive penumbra of allegations, none of which have proven to be of substance. It isn't shadow, it's smoke to go along with the mirrors in this partisan dog and pony show. 

I'm not a fan of the President, but I believe in being fair. Truth, Justice, and the American Way (and all that), something summarized  as Integrity, and the Democrats have none.

He is doing an adequate job despite the antics of both sides of the aisle in Congress. But this is an obvious piece of the Democrat (Communists') smear campaign which has been going since before the man was sworn in. I hope it backfires on them. I pray the American people aren't stupid enough to fall for this nonsense, nor any of the other crap the media have been pumping out while ignoring the very real and egregious criminality going on in Washington D.C. 
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This is my opinion: I have evaluated Trump's behavior from the time he was a child.  I have seen his behavior constantly for these past years.  Based on my knowledge from individually testing far more than a thousand people, and teaching the tests to other mental health workers, I already know what his Rorschach Test, Thematic Apperception Test, MMPI, WAIS Individual I.Q. Test, plus others, would tell me, except it might be worse than I expect.  In my opinion, the first problem would be, he would be afraid of taking any test, could likely get ill, throw up, if required to do it.  It would take some time to explain why I think that, but, basically I think he can't face the truth about himself; he lives in a mental fantasy world.  If these mental health workers get to testify, you will likely hear similar statements from them.
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Wow, you are so smart. They should put you in charge of the re-education camps. (All trump supporters must be clinically insane too.)
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You know, in the beginning I could understand people having concerns about Trump. He was untested in politics, had a quirky style, spouted superlatives and insults freely, was definitely un-PC. But he’s been an international businessman and subject of countless TV and press reporting for 30 years. His life is an open book! Suddenly he’s Hitler? Suddenly, he’s insane? Give us a break and give it a rest.

Furthermore, he’s in office 3 years! He’s got a track record, much of it of successes pushing a conservative agenda. So, at this point, all the handwringing and hair on fire is just BS and partisan. His support is only getting stronger, even among non-republicans.

We (his supporters) will never give in to the coup, to the hysteria or to the media agitprop.

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Wow, you are so smart. They should put you in charge of the re-education camps. (All trump supporters must be clinically insane too.)

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You know, in the beginning I could understand people having concerns about Trump. He was untested in politics, had a quirky style, spouted superlatives and insults freely, was definitely un-PC. But he’s been an international businessman and subject of countless TV and press reporting for 30 years. His life is an open book! Suddenly he’s Hitler? Suddenly, he’s insane? Give us a break and give it a rest.

Furthermore, he’s in office 3 years! He’s got a track record, much of it of successes pushing a conservative agenda. So, at this point, all the handwringing and hair on fire is just BS and partisan. His support is only getting stronger, even among non-republicans.

We (his supporters) will never give in to the coup, to the hysteria or to the media agitprop. 

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