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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #50 on: November 06, 2019, 10:53:13 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:48:02 pm
This Photo Of Sad Obama Staffers Isn't From Trump's White House Visit

Ah, so Eric Ciaramella (and Obama insider) showed up a day early.  Good for him.  So much for the 'independent whistleblower' narrative.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #51 on: November 06, 2019, 10:54:30 pm »
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #52 on: November 06, 2019, 10:58:43 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 10:49:12 pm
Anything that would show that the President of the United States used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.


That's really beautiful and all.  But it does not in any way whatsoever prove or even remotely suggest that the President of the United States used the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election.

Again, the root the question then, is, why was the aid being withheld?

We've got notes from the phone call, witnesses testifying, text messages, admissions from the White House.

What more evidence do you need that the President was using the Office to solicit interference?



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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2019, 11:00:07 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:48:02 pm
This Photo Of Sad Obama Staffers Isn't From Trump's White House Visit

Utter bullshit. That photo is famous, it was as Obastard was making his farewell address to his staff, the key one being Valerie Jarrett.  It was famous because of all the glum looks.  You are picking at nits, and wasting Briefers' time.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2019, 11:00:37 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on November 06, 2019, 10:53:13 pm
Ah, so Eric Ciaramella (and Obama insider) showed up a day early.  Good for him.  So much for the 'independent whistleblower' narrative.

Doesn't matter who the whistleblower is, his complaint was accurate.

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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2019, 11:01:46 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:58:43 pm
Again, the root the question then, is, why was the aid being withheld?

We've got notes from the phone call, witnesses testifying, text messages, admissions from the White House.

What more evidence do you need that the President was using the Office to solicit interference?

Something credible that is not the result of wild speculation.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2019, 11:02:40 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:00:37 pm
Doesn't matter who the whistleblower is, his complaint was accurate.

Ask us how well "faked but accurate" worked out for ex-Anchorman Dan Rather in 2004.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2019, 11:09:32 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 06, 2019, 11:01:46 pm
Something credible that is not the result of wild speculation.

Well, the call notes, text messages, testimonies, and Donald Trump and Mick Mulvaney admitting it as all available online if you do a simple google search.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2019, 11:17:59 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:09:32 pm
Well, the call notes, text messages, testimonies, and Donald Trump and Mick Mulvaney admitting it as all available online if you do a simple google search.

As was requested earlier, don't just post links and call it good.  Quote and highlight the passages that support your argument.

Look, I am tired of this shit.  If all you do is fence with the other Members and refuse to supply what they request, I'm giving you a time-out for wasting everybody's time.  I'm done.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #59 on: November 06, 2019, 11:35:48 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:58:43 pm
Again, the root the question then, is, why was the aid being withheld?

We've got notes from the phone call, witnesses testifying, text messages, admissions from the White House.

What more evidence do you need that the President was using the Office to solicit interference?

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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2019, 11:38:37 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 06, 2019, 11:35:48 pm


The root question remains, why was the aid being withheld?
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« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2019, 11:44:51 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:38:37 pm
The root question remains, why was the aid being withheld?

Because of corruption by the past Ukrainian administration we wanted to make sure the money was going to the right place we wanted assurances it was gonna go where it was supposed to. So Trump said you need to look into previous corruption issues.

He NEVER mentioned withholding money...which had he done that would have violated U.S. law. 

Which is what Obama did the previous year with the same aid money.
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Re: Rand Paul Wants Whistleblower Outed. Libertarians Want the Old Rand Paul Back
« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2019, 11:45:51 pm »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 10:58:43 pm
Again, the root the question then, is, why was the aid being withheld?

No, the root question is why can't you provide any evidence that supports the claim?
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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2019, 11:57:05 pm »
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Because of corruption by the past Ukrainian administration we wanted to make sure the money was going to the right place we wanted assurances it was gonna go where it was supposed to. So Trump said you need to look into previous corruption issues.

He NEVER mentioned withholding money...which had he done that would have violated U.S. law. 

Which is what Obama did the previous year with the same aid money.

Ah, okay. I like the way you explained that. It makes sense.

I've heard/read that the investigations he was requesting were already done and/or conspiracy theories.

For ex., 1 of them was about a idea that the Ukrainians framed the Russians for the 2016 hacks, which our intelligence community says it was the Russians.

The other was that Biden got Ukraine to fire their AG because he was looking into the company his son worked for, which I've heard is also wrong. Apparently, that Ukrainian AG was fired for not investigating and being corrupt.

It seems as if Trump was asking Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden. Why else would he request that they make a public statement and investigate something that's been disproven already?
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« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2019, 12:09:42 am »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:57:05 pm
Ah, okay. I like the way you explained that. It makes sense.

I've heard/read that the investigations he was requesting were already done and/or conspiracy theories.

For ex., 1 of them was about a idea that the Ukrainians framed the Russians for the 2016 hacks, which our intelligence community says it was the Russians.

The other was that Biden got Ukraine to fire their AG because he was looking into the company his son worked for, which I've heard is also wrong. Apparently, that Ukrainian AG was fired for not investigating and being corrupt.

It seems as if Trump was asking Ukraine to manufacture dirt on Biden. Why else would he request that they make a public statement and investigate something that's been disproven already?

The investigations were also to look into the Ukraine’s ties to the origin of the Steele Dossier at the request of Obama and Hillary. But it was mainly about corruption.

Biden BRAGGED on camera about getting the Ukrainian AG fired.

The only ones claiming this was all based in conspiracy theories are the Dems...many of whom were involved in the corruption and/or the dossier on Trump.
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« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2019, 12:26:35 am »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:38:37 pm
The root question remains, why was the aid being withheld?

Nice diversion, but the reality is the withholding of aid isn't tied to the investigation of Biden, so no quid pro quo.
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« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2019, 12:38:00 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 07, 2019, 12:26:35 am
Nice diversion, but the reality is the withholding of aid isn't tied to the investigation of Biden, so no quid pro quo.

Which has been pointed out since the first half-dozen posts to this thread.  We are being trolled here.
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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2019, 12:39:27 am »
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Which has been pointed out since the first half-dozen posts to this thread.  We are being trolled here.
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« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2019, 01:19:52 am »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on November 07, 2019, 12:26:35 am
Nice diversion, but the reality is the withholding of aid isn't tied to the investigation of Biden, so no quid pro quo.

How could you say this when Biden was mentioned on the call some 8 odd times, and given what we've seen from the text messages to the testimonies?

"TAYLOR
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Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?"

SONDLAND
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Call me"

And now Sondland is saying that he believes the reason the aid was being held up was because of the Biden investigation/declaration
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« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2019, 01:32:55 am »
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Show's over, folks.
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« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2019, 01:35:25 am »
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« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2019, 01:52:12 am »
Quote from: OfTheCross on November 06, 2019, 11:00:37 pm
Doesn't matter who the whistleblower is, his complaint was accurate.

The release of the transcript gives us ordinary schmoes the ability to decide for ourselves, you know.  What is illegitimate about seeking action against alleged corruption in the previous administration?  You know damn well that if Trump loses,  the Dems will try to prosecute him.  Why is the obviously suspicious situation of the Vice President's son sucking a Ukrainian teat not worthy of inquiry?   Didn't Billy Carter pull that shit?  And Jimmy didn't defend him, unlike Quid Pro Joe.
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« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2019, 01:54:26 am »
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The release of the transcript gives us ordinary schmoes the ability to decide for ourselves, you know.  What is illegitimate about seeking action against alleged corruption in the previous administration?  You know damn well that if Trump loses,  the Dems will try to prosecute him.  Why is the obviously corrupt situation of the Vice President's son sucking a Ukrainian teat not worthy of inquiry?   Didn't Billy Carter pull that shit?  And Jimmy didn't defend him, unlike Quid Pro Joe.

I am sorry, but he's too busy to answer for a while.... :shrug:
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« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2019, 01:56:32 am »
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« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2019, 02:01:40 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 07, 2019, 01:54:26 am
I am sorry, but he's too busy to answer for a while.... :shrug:

Don't you just hate it when that happens
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