House approves Trump impeachment procedures

[Formerly Once-Ler]

There is no "whistle blower" you dunce!  Just one more in a long line of Deep State lemmings!

@Bigun
I'm sorry you backed and voted for a crook.  I tried to warn you.
The world can be a scary place when you don't understand what is going on.  It can make you lash out in frustration.  I understand this.
But it doesn't excuse personally insulting people because you don't like what they are saying.  In fact it's against forum rules.
I look forward to your apology.

[Jazzhead]

There is no "whistle blower" you dunce!  Just one more in a long line of Deep State lemmings!

Moles.  Not lemmings.   

[Bigun]

@Bigun
I'm sorry you backed and voted for a crook.  I tried to warn you.
The world can be a scary place when you don't understand what is going on.  It can make you lash out in frustration.  I understand this.
But it doesn't excuse personally insulting people because you don't like what they are saying.  In fact it's against forum rules.
I look forward to your apology.

@Once-Ler you are sorely misinformed across the board and are, IMHO, nothing more than a very accomplished Democrat troll.  Keep waiting for that apology.

[skeeter]

The transcript was released after the whistleblower came forward.It could be.  It is strange that it only became an issue after Biden announced he was running and Hillary's and Obama's corruption remains unimportant to Trump.  But sure Trump, with his big heart for the world and unswerving commitment to rooting out corruption in Ukraine could explain this.

Ukraine First
Trump - 2020

As if the Russia collusion investigation over the past two years never happened. LOL

[Bigun]

Moles.  Not lemmings.

OK!  I'll buy that @Jazzhead.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Of course.  It was released in reaction to the whistleblower, in an act of transparency.   The President felt he had nothing to hide.   And the Ukrainians are on record as saying they were not pressured.   And it is a matter of historical record that (i) the appropriated military aid was provided, (ii) the photo-op Zelensky wanted with Trump was provided, and (iii) the Ukrainians did not investigate the Bidens.   

This is truly an example of the Democrats in Cloudcuckooland.   

And it is a matter of historical record that (i) the appropriated military aid was stalled, (ii) Trump requested dirt on Biden as a favor during a talk about defense aid and (iii) Trump's failure to coerce the Ukrainians to investigate the Biden's is not proof he didn't solicit foreign political aid. 

Perhaps it would be easier for me to understand your POV if I really really really wanted Trump to be innocent.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler you are sorely misinformed across the board and are, IMHO, nothing more than a very accomplished Democrat troll.  Keep waiting for that apology.

@Bigun
You can send it to me in a private message if publicly manning up is too difficult.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
You can send it to me in a private message if publicly manning up is too difficult.

@Once-Ler take my advice, don't hold your breath!

[Jazzhead]

Perhaps it would be easier for me to understand your POV if I really really really wanted Trump to be innocent.

What I really really really want is for the verdict on Trump to rendered by the voters, not some jackass kangaroo court.  I think that's important to defuse the partisan acrimony and ensure the legitimacy of the next President, whoever that may be.    The Dems should be careful what they wish for.  All the hellfire they are bringing to bear to prevent the voters from deciding what to do with Trump will be visited on a President Warren.   Our ordered system of self-governance is at stake.   That's far bigger than Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi.   

[Formerly Once-Ler]

What I really really really want is for the verdict on Trump to rendered by the voters, not some jackass kangaroo court.  I think that's important to defuse the partisan acrimony and ensure the legitimacy of the next President, whoever that may be.    The Dems should be careful what they wish for.  All the hellfire they are bringing to bear to prevent the voters from deciding what to do with Trump will be visited on a President Warren.   Our ordered system of self-governance is at stake.   That's far bigger than Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi.   

Again the House will not remove Trump they are just gathering evidence and when they vote to impeach, they will send that evidence to the Senate.  The GOP controlled Senate will give the verdict.  Since the GOP Senate is a crass swamp full of self-serving, dishonorable creatures who want to protect their chances of reelection rather than do the right thing...most likely they will protect the crooked President, and it will be up to voters in 2020 to decide.  So you get your wish.  Be happy.

[Snarknado]

Of course.  It was released in reaction to the whistleblower, in an act of transparency.   The President felt he had nothing to hide.   And the Ukrainians are on record as saying they were not pressured.   And it is a matter of historical record that (i) the appropriated military aid was provided, (ii) the photo-op Zelensky wanted with Trump was provided, and (iii) the Ukrainians did not investigate the Bidens.   

This is truly an example of the Democrats in Cloudcuckooland.   

Great post. The implication was that not releasing the transcript until after the call became public knowledge constituted an attempted coverup, which is patently absurd.

I have to say that any concerns I might have had about this a week or two ago are rapidly dwindling.

[Snarknado]

What I really really really want is for the verdict on Trump to rendered by the voters, not some jackass kangaroo court.  I think that's important to defuse the partisan acrimony and ensure the legitimacy of the next President, whoever that may be.    The Dems should be careful what they wish for.  All the hellfire they are bringing to bear to prevent the voters from deciding what to do with Trump will be visited on a President Warren.   Our ordered system of self-governance is at stake.   That's far bigger than Donald Trump or Nancy Pelosi.   

Warren's election would definitely hold the House, Biden most likely would also. But repubs would have a good shot in 2022, and in Biden's case there will be an impeachment inquiry teed up ready to go.

[skeeter]

Again the House will not remove Trump they are just gathering evidence and when they vote to impeach, they will send that evidence to the Senate.  The GOP controlled Senate will give the verdict.  Since the GOP Senate is a crass swamp full of self-serving, dishonorable creatures who want to protect their chances of reelection rather than do the right thing...most likely they will protect the crooked President, and it will be up to voters in 2020 to decide.  So you get your wish.  Be happy.

It can be your wish, too, if you would only stop sliding so credulously from one rat farce scandal to the next.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

It can be your wish, too, if you would only stop sliding so credulously from one rat farce scandal to the next.

Thanks for the advice.

[skeeter]

Thanks for the advice.

I worry about you.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

I worry about you.

I don't worry about you @skeeter
There is nothing wrong with you. 
You're not a bad person for having different beliefs than I do.
You are not human scum.
I respect you, you're intelligent, and educated, and I respect that you listen to the President's critics and engage them.
It's too bad we don't see eye to eye on the President, but the good news is our different beliefs don't really matter that much. 
The direction of the country is pretty much out of our hands no matter how intense our faith or doctine.

On the other hand Politics as an entertainment industry has never been better.

[Jazzhead]

 
The direction of the country is pretty much out of our hands no matter how intense our faith or doctine.

Wrong.  It is squarely in our hands,  no more so than now when our Constitutional design of ordered self-governance hangs in the balance.

I have been one of President Trump's fiercest critics on this board.   I continue to advocate that he make the decision, like LBJ, to not run for re-election.  But I am squarely on his side in resisting the Dems' attempt to deny the people the right to render the verdict on his Presidency.   

This is not about protecting this President.  This is about protecting our right to choose our leaders,  free of sabotage by nefarious actors.    This is a witch hunt, a kangaroo court.  It is the attempt to subvert the peoples' will that is dangerous to our freedoms and our Constitution.   Under these circumstances,  against these villains,  I will hold my nose and defend a President I didn't vote for.   

IT IS NOT OUT OF OUR HANDS.   To concede such is to concede all.   THE PEOPLE MUST DECIDE.   

[skeeter]

It's too bad we don't see eye to eye on the President, but the good news is our different beliefs don't really matter that much. 
The direction of the country is pretty much out of our hands no matter how intense our faith or doctine.

On the other hand Politics as an entertainment industry has never been better.

All this is true.

I wish I could consider politics entertainment only but, leaving Pericles' cautionary warning aside, I find the increasing disregard for the truth these days not only highly offensive but dangerous as well.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

IT IS NOT OUT OF OUR HANDS.   To concede such is to concede all.   THE PEOPLE MUST DECIDE.

@Jazzhead I hear your passion, and of course the stuff I said to @skeeter apply to you.
There is nothing wrong with you.
You're not a bad person for having different beliefs than I do.
You are not human scum.
I respect you, you're intelligent, and educated, and I respect that you listen to the President's critics and engage them.

I think you are the most open minded and critical thinker on this forum.  You have hammered me over the head with facts.  You have made the strongest appeals to my virtue.  Yet my beliefs remain. 
What makes you believe that you, one man, can make a difference?

[Jazzhead]

Thanks for your generous words, @Once-Ler.   I respect your intelligence, passion and clarity of thought, and willingness to provide a vital minority voice on this conservative board.   

What makes you believe that you, one man, can make a difference?

What makes you believe that one man can't? 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

Thanks for your generous words, @Once-Ler.   I respect your intelligence, passion and clarity of thought, and willingness to provide a vital minority voice on this conservative board.   

What makes you believe that one man can't?

50+ years