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Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« on: October 16, 2019, 01:54:28 pm »
AWR Hawkins 15 Oct 2019

During the October 15, Democrat debate Robert “Beto” O’Rourke made clear that AR-15 owners who refuse to hand over their guns will have them taken away.

O’Rourke reiterated his plan to use a government-mandated buyback to confiscate privately-owned AR-15s and AK-47s. In so doing, he claimed that each AR-15 and AK-47 in private hands is a “potential instrument of terror.”

CNN’s Anderson Cooper then asked O’Rourke how he plans to get people to hand over their rifles.

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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2019, 02:28:11 pm »
So he wants to violate a clearly defined right enshrined in the Constitution in order to enforce an unconstitutional law that violates people rights?

 :pondering:

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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2019, 03:10:47 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 02:28:11 pm
So he wants to violate a clearly defined right enshrined in the Constitution in order to enforce an unconstitutional law that violates people rights?

 :pondering:

At least he now readily admits he intends to be a coward about it, and order other people to ignore their own oaths to the Constitution and be the ones knocking on doors.  We always knew they'd use Police to do the dangerous work of disarming people.

They'll get away with confiscation for a short while (probably in the cities), until people realize what's happening and start laying in wait for the Oath-Breakers to show up to be shot. 
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2019, 03:13:55 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 16, 2019, 03:10:47 pm
At least he now readily admits he intends to be a coward about it, and order other people to ignore their own oaths to the Constitution and be the ones knocking on doors.  We always knew they'd use Police to do the dangerous work of disarming people.

They'll get away with confiscation for a short while (probably in the cities), until people realize what's happening and start laying in wait for the Oath-Breakers to show up to be shot.

I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.

Same for the military.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2019, 03:28:45 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:13:55 pm
I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.

Same for the military.

It would be suicide all up in here.... Guaranteed.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2019, 03:32:51 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 16, 2019, 03:28:45 pm
It would be suicide all up in here.... Guaranteed.

I can only talk from the military side with any real condfidence...but we take an oath to support and defend the Constitution...if someone orders us to violate the Constitution...we're violating our oath...therefore it's an unlawful order and we can legally refuse it.

I imagine that it would be something similiar with the LEO's.

As @Cyber Liberty said...you'll only find this really being carried out in the big cities where the Dems run everything to begin with.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2019, 03:33:51 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:13:55 pm
I honestly believe that the anti gun idiots like Beto and others will be throughly shocked at just how many law enforcement agencies from the city to the state level will refuse to carry out such an order.

Same for the military.

Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2019, 03:38:31 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on October 16, 2019, 03:33:51 pm
Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.

Those will be the first ones to get shot.  The rest who are willing to break their oaths to the Constitution will quickly see the error of their ways, if they want to get home safely every night.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2019, 03:42:04 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:32:51 pm
I imagine that it would be something similiar with the LEO's.

If LEOs take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, there are a heck of a lot of them who are oathbreakers already in view of the way LEOs tend to routinely trample on the 4th Amendment, and often on the 1st, with legally specious attempts to suppress citizen-journalism recording their public acts.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2019, 03:42:10 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on October 16, 2019, 03:33:51 pm
Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.

Your big deep blue cities in any state will have law enforcement agencies that will gladly carry out the confiscation order.  In my state Kentucky you could count on for sure Lexington, Louisville and probably Frankfurt (small city 28K but it's the capitol).

But you get out into Elizabethtown, Covington, Hopkinsville, Shepardsville bardstown etc the situation will be completely different.

@Polly Ticks am I right?


And what gun grabers like Beto don't realize is the Governor of a state could tell his state police to not comply with the order as well.

@skeeter I hope my friend that you're on the wrong end of this one for the right reasons.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2019, 03:44:34 pm »
Quote from: The_Reader_David on October 16, 2019, 03:42:04 pm
If LEOs take an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States, there are a heck of a lot of them who are oathbreakers already in view of the way LEOs tend to routinely trample on the 4th Amendment, and often on the 1st, with legally specious attempts to suppress citizen-journalism recording their public acts.

I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city.  Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2019, 03:46:13 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:42:10 pm
Your big deep blue cities in any state will have law enforcement agencies that will gladly carry out the confiscation order.  In my state Kentucky you could count on for sure Lexington, Louisville and probably Frankfurt (small city 28K but it's the capitol).

But you get out into Elizabethtown, Covington, Hopkinsville, Shepardsville bardstown etc the situation will be completely different.

@pollyticks am I right?


And what gun grabers like Beto don't realize is the Governor of a state could tell his state police to not comply with the order as well.

@skeeter I hope my friend that you're on the wrong end of this one for the right reasons.

If Beto's wish comes true I'll wish I lived in your neck of the woods because where I live I'll pay a heavy price for my beliefs.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 03:48:05 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on October 16, 2019, 03:46:13 pm
If Beto's wish comes true I'll wish I lived in your neck of the woods because where I live I'll pay a heavy price for my beliefs.

Well there's lots of places in Kentucky back in the woods and up in the hills where they can't find you if you decide to go iff the grid.

IIRC you're in California...Idaho might be closer for you though.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 03:51:40 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:44:34 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city.  Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.

Section 26 of the AZ State Constitution (emphasis mine):

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Section 26. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.

https://www.azleg.gov/viewDocument/?docName=http://www.azleg.gov/const/2/26.htm

(Note the complete lack of any "Predicate Clause.")
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2019, 03:55:15 pm »
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2019, 04:03:10 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:48:05 pm
IIRC you're in California...Idaho might be closer for you though.

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Yeah, Utah even... or AZ if you can take the heat... But I reckon if you can get up in the Sierras, them good ol boys ain't gonna pay no mind to Sacramento... I punched cows with a bunch of them cowboys, and they ain't no different than right up here.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2019, 04:05:39 pm »
Might have to go get me one of them ARs just so I can be pissed off about this.  :shrug: :whistle:
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2019, 04:23:06 pm »
I want to see some reporter ask these anti-gun politicians on live camera if this means they will also insist the military style weapons,like Uzi's  that are carried by the bodyguards of prominent politicians and other wealthy people will also be confiscated.

In not,why not?

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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2019, 04:26:03 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on October 16, 2019, 03:33:51 pm
Frankly I'm worried I'll be surprised by the number who won't refuse.

@skeeter

Me,too. Especially when you consider how many foreigners have enlisted the last couple of decades so they could obtain citizenship. I doubt most of them have even heard of the Bill of Rights,or would care if they have.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2019, 04:29:55 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 16, 2019, 03:44:34 pm
I was thinking more along the lines of taking an oath to uphold and protect the laws of a particular state and/or county or city.  Most state Constitutions also have 2nd Amendment provisions in them as well.

@txradioguy

Sadly,these days "LEO" is just the name of a street gang MUCH better armed and equipped than the other street gangs,and one that has judges and city/county attorneys representing them in court.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2019, 04:32:52 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on October 16, 2019, 04:05:39 pm
Might have to go get me one of them ARs just so I can be pissed off about this.  :shrug: :whistle:

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They are pretty useless where you live. Get a M1 Garand or a M1A instead.

Or mo betta,a FN-FAL.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2019, 04:48:44 pm »
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@roamer_1

They are pretty useless where you live. Get a M1 Garand or a M1A instead.

Or mo betta,a FN-FAL.

I am all decked out @sneakypete I am partial to Rem 700... most of my high powered stuff is on that platform, with a couple Marlins and a Savage throwed in. But really, I don't use scoped rifles all that much. Elk,  bighorn, mtn goat, antelope, sure.... But mostly I am banging around in the brush sooo.... Lever action carbine or shotgun is what I really do most the time, with a hard lean toward the carbine... Low and slow with a lot of lead... that's what punches through brush. Deer and bear, usually under 100 yards where a scope would give me nothing but hair anyway, and a high speed round will likely deflect if there's brush.

Only thing I would be using that AR for up here is coyotes. but it would be dang fine for that.
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2019, 04:55:40 pm »
Who’s the “we” Francis? You and your 1% army?
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Re: Beto O’Rourke: If You Don’t Hand over Your AR-15 We’ll Take It
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2019, 05:13:49 pm »
Beto is exactly what Conservatives need.

His continued trumpeting like this on the Democrat debate stage cannot be swept under the rug by the Dems or media.

Ordinary people will realize this constitutes both the outspoken and hidden beliefs of Dems.

Beto needs to remain on the stage and be very visible.
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