The deciding factor in 2020: Are voters willing to live with Trump’s bizarre behavior?

[mystery-ak]

 The deciding factor in 2020: Are voters willing to live with Trump’s bizarre behavior?

By Andrew Malcolm Special to McClatchy
September 24, 2019 06:00 AM

Political analysts and followers are understandably consumed these days with the grinding mechanics of the 2020 presidential campaign — the debates, the secretly developing ground games, declared policies, the fundraising, the strategizing around key states and polls, the only interim indicators we have of the race still four months from any vote.

Crucial, of course, are the collective primary selections by Democratic voters on their standard-bearer. That person will be the main alternative to Donald Trump, each with their own flaws and strengths.

Will it be some far-left woman or man with long, depressing lists of all that needs urgent fixing in America at astronomical costs? Would that doom the nominee who emerges from the party’s July Milwaukee convention to spend four months on defense proclaiming they’re not really as far left as they claimed to be?

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/opinion/article235403347.html#storylink=cpy

[Bigun]

So standing up and fighting the corruption in our government is deemed bizarre by Andrew Malcolm now.

Oh well! I guess it goes with the territory.

[Jazzhead]

The article's correct -  this election will be a referendum on Trump and his narcissistic and erratic behavior,  not his policies.    That's exactly how the Dems are planning it.   And they hope by doing so to distract voters both from GOP policies that are creating jobs and the Dems' own socialism and poisonous identity politics.

Will they succeed?   I fear they will.   

[musiclady]

"Living with it" is not the same as voting for it.

I'm quite certain we'll have to live with a badly behaved 13 year old President for another 4 years.

[dfwgator]

Compared with the bizarre behavior of the Democrats?  Compared to them, Trump is still the "adult in the room."

[catfish1957]

Ask after 2023, after President Warren has successfully confiscated IRA's and 401K's for a consildiated national social security system. 

[musiclady]

Compared with the bizarre behavior of the Democrats?  Compared to them, Trump is still the "adult in the room."

Well, the purpose of electing Trump was to get one of 'our guys' to act as badly as their guys, so if he's not quite as bad, then I guess the purpose of electing our own child bully failed, eh?

[Victoria33]

@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty

Background information and my opinion:

The Iowa caucus is Monday, February 3, 2020.  As we approach that date, Iowa voters will start paying attention to the candidates and I believe Biden's mental confusion will be noted by those voters and they will select Warren over Biden.  She already has the lead in Iowa by 2 points; need to keep checking those polls being done there.  The polls will be more reliable the closer we get to that date.

I say the above because I think Warren will be candidate against Trump.  She is easy to follow when she speaks and has objective "plans" she has memorized for each of her presidential objectives.

In a debate with Trump, she will be her organized self and he will be off the wall as usual.   That is where this article's title comes in: "Are voters willing to live with Trump’s bizarre behavior?"  If voters haven't already experienced "shock and awe" due to Trump's bizarre behavior, it will be showcased in a debate between them.

He will call her names, attack her personally, the Indian thing, and she will explain her objectives.  Those objectives are totally left, but what will impress the voters is not those plans; it is one organized, speaking well, and one off the wall as questions are asked of each.

Hard core Dems will vote for her; hard core Republicans will vote for him.  Moderate Republicans could go either way, especially women may leave Trump and go to Warren.  I am not sure at this point, what Independents will do.  The debates will influence Independents whose minds are not made up already, to go for him or her based on their debate performance.

Once again, the candidate who gets the Texas electors, will be president, 38 electoral votes.  California has 55 electoral votes, always goes Democrat.

"The Electoral College is made up of 538 electors; each state gets two electors for its two senators plus one vote for each member it has in the House of Representatives. Washington D.C. also functions as a state for the purposes of the election and has three electors."

[Cyber Liberty]

The article's correct -  this election will be a referendum on Trump and his narcissistic and erratic behavior,  not his policies.    That's exactly how the Dems are planning it.   And they hope by doing so to distract voters both from GOP policies that are creating jobs and the Dems' own socialism and poisonous identity politics.

Will they succeed?   I fear they will.

News Flash:  Reelections of Presidents are always referenda on the President.  There are no exceptions to this rule. 

[sneakypete]

The Dim nominee MUST be a hard-left radical or they will never get permission to run. The hard-left has been in control of the DNC for a couple of decades now,and they are old and losing patience. It's either "Now or not in OUR lifetimes" for them,and they MUST be crowned as dictators or they have wasted their whole lives for no reward.

I just watched the last part of Trumps speech on tv this morning,and couldn't find a single thing I disagreed with or that didn't agree with American values of individual freedoms and a minimalist government. In fact,I logged on here this morning to look for links to the speech and comments about things mentioned that I didn't hear.

What I DID hear was the death bell for international communism/globalism,and was proved to be right by the hysterical reactions of that homo Chuck Todd and the left of the NobodyButCommunist cast of regular suspects. This included upper management,as represented by the loon speaking for the support of Globalism.

These people are foaming at the mouth mad,as well as scared that here,right when they thought they had it in their grasp,their applewagon is not only being turned over,it is being hauled off and sold for scrap.

The Dims are now doubling down in their hysterical cries for IMPEACHEMNT NOW,CAUSEN WE DOAN NEED NO DAM LECTIONS!

The sound to me like what they REALLY want is REVOLUTION NOW!

I almost hope they get it. I would hope they get it if it weren't for all the innocents that would die,while the money people behind it fled to foreign nations taking their wealth with them.

Which would,I suspect lead Russia and China believing they could step in and take over.

[sneakypete]

Well, the purpose of electing Trump was to get one of 'our guys' to act as badly as their guys, so if he's not quite as bad, then I guess the purpose of electing our own child bully failed, eh?

@musiclady

Yeah,causen if deys wun thing dat seecures de safitie ob a nation,hit bees good manners,tea,and PMS,huh?

[sneakypete]

@mystery-ak
@Cyber Liberty

Background information and my opinion:

The Iowa caucus is Monday, February 3, 2020.  As we approach that date, Iowa voters will start paying attention to the candidates and I believe Biden's mental confusion will be noted by those voters and they will select Warren over Biden.  She already has the lead in Iowa by 2 points; need to keep checking those polls being done there.  The polls will be more reliable the closer we get to that date.

I say the above because I think Warren will be candidate against Trump.  She is easy to follow when she speaks and has objective "plans" she has memorized for each of her presidential objectives.

@Victoria33

I can see that as a possibility. Maybe even a probability.

In a debate with Trump, she will be her organized self and he will be off the wall as usual.   That is where this article's title comes in: "Are voters willing to live with Trump’s bizarre behavior?"  If voters haven't already experienced "shock and awe" due to Trump's bizarre behavior, it will be showcased in a debate between them.

And your train just jumped the tracks. EVERYBODY knows who and what Trump is by now,and everybody but the tea and doily set,and the left that supported him before the debates will still be supporting him after the debates BECAUSE he is the only alternative to the Globalist Borg. He not only opposes the policies of leftism,he works hard to overthrow them and make them powerless everywhere he finds them. Look at what he has done with judicial appointments if you need proof of this.

Not that results matter to people like you who are about style over substance.

 
 

Moderate Republicans could go either way, especially women may leave Trump and go to Warren.

And to think some people objected to giving women the vote by claiming they were too emotional!

I am not sure at this point, what Independents will do.  The debates will influence Independents whose minds are not made up already, to go for him or her based on their debate performance.

Wrong! Independents are independent BECAUSE they refuse to be slaves to party dogma. They vote for candidates because of their stated agendas,not because their children look so "cute" or they can cry on cue as they whine,"Forgive me because ah have sinned!" Some no doubt tend to lean hard left,but in my OPINION most are conservatives so tired of being lied to they are no longer Republicans.


 
 

[TomSea]

@musiclady

Yeah,causen if deys wun thing dat seecures de safitie ob a nation,hit bees good manners,tea,and PMS,huh?

 

[musiclady]

Good to see you’re on record as supporting sexism, racism and overall rude behavior.

Thanks for reinforcing why I should spend less time on TBR.

It’s the only “conservative “ forum where one consistently is ridiculed for standing for morality and decency.

Perhaps it’s not the place for folks like me...   

[Victoria33]

@sneakypete

You said, "EVERYBODY knows who and what Trump is by now..."
That is why he may lose, everybody DOES know what he is.

You said, "Not that results matter to people like you who are about style over substance."
See, here you made a personal attack - try not to do that; it starts word fights and I don't do word fights.
 
You said, "And to think some people objected to giving women the vote by claiming they were too emotional!"
Now, you are attacking all women. They know the facts how Trump treated/treats women, and they have freedom to act on that and not vote for him if that is their wish.
You know I believe Trump has a severe personality disorder and that is not emotional - his behaviors fit a certain personality disorder.

You said, "Wrong! Independents are independent BECAUSE they refuse to be slaves to party dogma. They vote for candidates because of their stated agendas,not because their children look so "cute" or they can cry on cue as they whine,"Forgive me because ah have sinned!" Some no doubt tend to lean hard left,but in my OPINION most are conservatives so tired of being lied to they are no longer Republicans."
Independents are a mix of why they are Independents and that is why they are hard to define as to how they will vote.  You cannot know what they think - you put words in their mouth and tossed in religion, "...have sinned."

I suggest you watch the next Democrat debate, October 15, to help determine who may be their final candidate.
 

[musiclady]

Anyone who spends time on political forums and thinks that it’s women who behave emotionally is deluded.

Flying off the handle in emotional rages is almost exclusively the property of a few men around here, most especially the accuser.

[PeteS in CA]

"Bizarre" like a fox? Or like a troll casting bait?

[skeeter]

Compared with the bizarre behavior of the Democrats?  Compared to them, Trump is still the "adult in the room."

Nailed it. Anyone who thinks it’s Trump’s behavior thats the problem needs to adjust their priorities.

[sneakypete]

Anyone who spends time on political forums and thinks that it’s women who behave emotionally is deluded.

Flying off the handle in emotional rages is almost exclusively the property of a few men around here, most especially the accuser.

@musiclady

VERY nice example of stealth hostility.

BLESS YORE HEART!

[TomSea]

Good to see you’re on record as supporting sexism, racism and overall rude behavior.

Thanks for reinforcing why I should spend less time on TBR.

It’s the only “conservative “ forum where one consistently is ridiculed for standing for morality and decency.

Perhaps it’s not the place for folks like me...   

I laughed at Pete's eubonics, humor some times relieves tension.

Your whole statement bespeaks of a martyrdom complex, "this is wrong, woe is me, I will put people on ignore", the usual.

[musiclady]

I laughed at Pete's eubonics, humor some times relieves tension.

Your whole statement bespeaks of a martyrdom complex, "this is wrong, woe is me, I will put people on ignore", the usual.

No martyrdom.  Just realization that overt racism and sexism is approved of by some here.

It is unacceptable.  It is not humor.  It's not how people who respect others behave.

YOU respect others, @TomSea ........ normally, at least.  I expect more from you than I do from pete, thus my post to you.

(btw, I have only two people on Ignore, so your whole premise is entirely wrong).

[PeteS in CA]

I laughed at Pete's eubonics, humor some times relieves tension.

Your whole statement bespeaks of a martyrdom complex, "this is wrong, woe is me, I will put people on ignore", the usual.

And @sneakypete is so kind he expressed concern for her cardiac health! Whataguy!  

[musiclady]

And @sneakypete is so kind he expressed concern for her cardiac health! Whataguy!  

If you like guys who drive decent people away...........

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

You said, "EVERYBODY knows who and what Trump is by now..."
That is why he may lose, everybody DOES know what he is.

You said, "Not that results matter to people like you who are about style over substance."
See, here you made a personal attack - try not to do that; it starts word fights and I don't do word fights.
 
You said, "And to think some people objected to giving women the vote by claiming they were too emotional!"
Now, you are attacking all women. They know the facts how Trump treated/treats women, and they have freedom to act on that and not vote for him if that is their wish.
You know I believe Trump has a severe personality disorder and that is not emotional - his behaviors fit a certain personality disorder.

You said, "Wrong! Independents are independent BECAUSE they refuse to be slaves to party dogma. They vote for candidates because of their stated agendas,not because their children look so "cute" or they can cry on cue as they whine,"Forgive me because ah have sinned!" Some no doubt tend to lean hard left,but in my OPINION most are conservatives so tired of being lied to they are no longer Republicans."
Independents are a mix of why they are Independents and that is why they are hard to define as to how they will vote.  You cannot know what they think - you put words in their mouth and tossed in religion, "...have sinned."

I suggest you watch the next Democrat debate, October 15, to help determine who may be their final candidate.

@Victoria33

You really think the flies will be settled after the next debate? I am guessing several may be forced into the background,but I doubt anyone will be singled out as the accepted candidate. Too many people in that mixture,fighting with each other over domination.

[PeteS in CA]

If you like guys who drive decent people away...........

@musiclady, that was uncalled for. I could be faulted, perhaps, for not having followed the thread or for not knowing your history with the guy (which may have happened before I registered here!), but please do not attribute ideas/words to me that I did not say.