Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden

[jmyrlefuller]

This would only work with a Republican congress.

Give Joe Biden a Democrat-run Congress, and he'll give the Dems everything they want... only for AOC to primary him in 2024 when she's finally eligible because he's not sufficiently socialist.

Give him a Republican Congress and he'll be more pragmatic. See: sequestration.

[Bigun]

@Bigun

I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.

BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.

Sorry @sneakypete  but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything.  IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.

[Jazzhead]

This would only work with a Republican congress.

Give Joe Biden a Democrat-run Congress, and he'll give the Dems everything they want... only for AOC to primary him in 2024 when she's finally eligible because he's not sufficiently socialist.

Give him a Republican Congress and he'll be more pragmatic. See: sequestration.

100% agree.   Even Never Trumpers should be motivated to vote for the election of GOP Congresspersons.    It is the prudent backstop to thwart socialism no matter how you feel about the President. 

[roamer_1]

100% agree.   Even Never Trumpers should be motivated to vote for the election of GOP Congresspersons.    It is the prudent backstop to thwart socialism no matter how you feel about the President.

Don't be ridiculous. Republican-ism is no different. Y'all are arguing about the curtains and the arrangement of the deck chairs...
 

[sneakypete]

Sorry @sneakypete  but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything.  IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.

@Bigun

You obviously know nothing of the true history of the Catholic Church,or The Reformation.

[Bigun]

@Bigun

You obviously know nothing of the true history of the Catholic Church,or The Reformation.

I would wager that I know every bit as much as you do about that @sneakypete.  Not going to argue with you about it here.

[aligncare]

@Bigun

I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.

BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.

Interesting observation.

Sorry @sneakypete  but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything.  IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.

Well, the Church was known to torture and imprison heretics and those suspected of witchcraft and dominated everyday life of medieval communities.

But, I understand why you suggested that. Let’s just say that the Church has evolved from those barbaric ancient practices and Islam never has.

[sneakypete]

Interesting observation.


Well, the Church was known to torture and imprison heretics and those suspected of witchcraft and dominated everyday life of medieval communities.

But, I understand why you suggested that. Let’s just say that the Church has evolved from those barbaric ancient practices and Islam never has.

@aligncare @Bigun

Both statements are very true,aligncare.

Like I wrote earlier,we can thank Martin Luther and many,many unknowns who suffered and were burned at the stake for being "heretics". It's hard to even imagine the heroism it took for Luther,a Priest himself,to stand up to the evils the Church were doing in the name of the Christian God.

[TomSea]

@aligncare @Bigun

Both statements are very true,aligncare.

Like I wrote earlier,we can thank Martin Luther and many,many unknowns who suffered and were burned at the stake for being "heretics". It's hard to even imagine the heroism it took for Luther,a Priest himself,to stand up to the evils the Church were doing in the name of the Christian God.

OK Pete, you are distracting the conversation but answer one thing, without the Catholic Church would Europe have fallen to Islam. I say it would have... so, in my view, all you are doing is siding with Islam as well.

This is not a religion forum but they do exist on the web if one is really interested.

Also, as said before, Atheists basically do not reproduce, more reason to think that with your way Islam wins.

Let alone, all you are saying is some unproven things and some of it was because times were different then. Protestants also burnt people at the stake.

[MOD3]

Enough.

[sneakypete]

OK Pete, you are distracting the conversation but answer one thing, without the Catholic Church would Europe have fallen to Islam.

@TomSea

There can be no question about that. The Catholic Church was the only organization that kings and queens feared. They were the equivalent of a  medieval world government,and even the kings and queens feared them.

 

I say it would have... so, in my view, all you are doing is siding with Islam as well.
 

Yeah,THERE is a rational post with no bias at all,huh?

Why,I am practically an Ayatollah!

What gave me away?

Also, as said before, Atheists basically do not reproduce,

 ROFLMAO! Where did THAT brain fart come from?

[PeteS in CA]

16th Century Popes were Never-Trumpers? The things one learns .......

[TomSea]

I'm not sure of all the info in this graph but I saw it the other day, wars involving "other religions" in the history of the world is very small.  And most wars have been non-religious.

[Victoria33]

@corbe  I understand what you are saying,and while it is true on a theoretical basis the FACT is religious indoctrination is responsible for the political mindset of the Religious Right as Islam is to the Taliban. You can not discuss politics on a level playing field if you can't call them on their dogma.

@sneakypete
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak

One number decides the 2020 Presidential election:
Texas has 38 electoral votes.  If the Democrat Party gets those votes, their presidential candidate wins.  Cruz barely won his senate seat in 2018.  "...by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978."

The only state with more electoral votes is California with 55 and those will go to the Democrat.

Once again I say more Democrats came to the Texas 2018 primary that ever in modern history and that was a non-presidential year when people tend to not vote - it is the presidential year that brings out the most voters.  I knew what that Democrat primary number meant and it is why Cruz almost lost.

No matter what one's religion is, those Texas 38 electoral votes determines who is the president.

From Wikipedia:
"On Election Day, Cruz narrowly defeated O'Rourke by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978.  O'Rourke earned over four million votes, surpassing Hillary Clinton's total of 3.87 million in the 2016 election.  He received more votes than any other Democrat in Texas history and came closer to winning than any other Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Texas has since 1988. O'Rourke raised $80 million for the campaign, which is the highest amount ever raised by a U.S. Senate candidate to date."

[mystery-ak]

Please get this thread back on topic...

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak

One number decides the 2020 Presidential election:
Texas has 38 electoral votes.  If the Democrat Party gets those votes, their presidential candidate wins.  Cruz barely won his senate seat in 2018.  "...by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978."

The only state with more electoral votes is California with 55 and those will go to the Democrat.

Once again I say more Democrats came to the Texas 2018 primary that ever in modern history and that was a non-presidential year when people tend to not vote - it is the presidential year that brings out the most voters.  I knew what that Democrat primary number meant and it is why Cruz almost lost.

No matter what one's religion is, those Texas 38 electoral votes determines who is the president.

From Wikipedia:
"On Election Day, Cruz narrowly defeated O'Rourke by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978.  O'Rourke earned over four million votes, surpassing Hillary Clinton's total of 3.87 million in the 2016 election.  He received more votes than any other Democrat in Texas history and came closer to winning than any other Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Texas has since 1988. O'Rourke raised $80 million for the campaign, which is the highest amount ever raised by a U.S. Senate candidate to date."

@Victoria33

You really think it comes down to Texas?

[Victoria33]

@Victoria33

You really think it comes down to Texas?

@sneakypete

Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.

[mystery-ak]

@Victoria33

You really think it comes down to Texas?

This coming election I think so...the Dems have their sights on turning Texas blue..

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.

@Victoria33

Ok,thanks. I had no idea,and if that is the case,Trump is in trouble because of all the left-coasters who have moved to Texas from Ca,and all the illegal alien votes.

BTW,I knew ONE section of Texas was in trouble when Cruz almost lost the last election. I just didn't think it was that universal statewide.

[truth_seeker]

Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is  NOT a Trump thing. 

[Sanguine]

@sneakypete

Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.

I agree with @Victoria33 on this too.

[Victoria33]

Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is  NOT a Trump thing.

@truth_seeker

That is true - the problem here is, due to the 2018 numbers, this 2020 election is likely to be the time Texas goes Democrat for many state offices and federal offices, including the presidential office.

I do not want this to happen, but reality is reality, and it may happen.

[Absalom]

@Bigun
I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.
BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.

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* So Luther saved the West from the Catholic version of Islam???
I have heard many absurd slanders but this one is uniquely ignorant.
With the fall of Rome in the 5th century, the existence of Roman
Catholicism prevented Europe from collapsing backward into its tribal past.
Men such as Abelard, Aquinas, Bacon, Ockham, Duns Scotus, among dozens,
provided the wisdom that allowed Europe to survive and thrive again; just as
the likes of Aristotle and Plato did in Ancient Greece some 1,500 years earlier.
* Roman Catholicism is a religious system of faith anchored by the spiritual
while Islam is an ideological and political system anchored by the material.
The assertion that they are mirror images is too stupid for words.
* As for Martin Luther, he was a German and Augustinian Monk who chafed
at the influence of the emergent Italian culture on all aspects of Church
behaviors and sensibilities. The Church absorbed some of his ideas and for the
better; yet at his core he was essentially a malcontent all his life.

[txradioguy]

Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is  NOT a Trump thing.

And that’s why...IMO whoever is as the top of the Dem ticket will have Julian Castro as their VP...to try and take Texas.

[sneakypete]

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* So Luther saved the West from the Catholic version of Islam???
I have heard many absurd slanders but this one is uniquely ignorant.
With the fall of Rome in the 5th century, the existence of Roman
Catholicism prevented Europe from collapsing backward into its tribal past.
Men such as Abelard, Aquinas, Bacon, Ockham, Duns Scotus, among dozens,
provided the wisdom that allowed Europe to survive and thrive again; just as
the likes of Aristotle and Plato did in Ancient Greece some 1,500 years earlier.
* Roman Catholicism is a religious system of faith anchored by the spiritual
while Islam is an ideological and political system anchored by the material.
The assertion that they are mirror images is too stupid for words.
* As for Martin Luther, he was a German and Augustinian Monk who chafed
at the influence of the emergent Italian culture on all aspects of Church
behaviors and sensibilities. The Church absorbed some of his ideas and for the
better; yet at his core he was essentially a malcontent all his life.

@Absalom

Go tongue wrestle with a priest. The Catholic Church is one of the most evil institutions since the dawn of history,fully matching Islam in all it's horrors.