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Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« on: September 16, 2019, 02:14:57 pm »
During the General Election this might be a winning point for the Democrats. Presumably this will save money for other social programs like SNAP, since people won't be poor enough to qualify

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The Census released its annual income, poverty, and health insurance statistics earlier this week. The summary report shows that 8 million of the nation’s 42.5 million poor people would not be poor if they did not have to pay medical out-of-pocket (MOOP) expenses...

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What this means is that, by eliminating medical out-of-pocket expenses, Medicare for All would reduce head-count poverty by 19 percent, reduce the overall poverty gap by 22 percent, and increase poor people’s incomes by 29 percent. Indeed, M4A’s elimination of MOOP expenses would contribute more to the incomes of the poor than the earned income tax credit currently does. This makes M4A one of the most potent anti-poverty programs proposed thus far in the current presidential race.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2019, 02:18:56 pm »
Why stop with Medicare? We could eliminate the poor all together if we just eliminated the need for them to have to pay for food, gas, housing, clothing, booze, etc. In fact they'll be filthy rich.

Lets shoot the whole Magilla.

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2019, 02:19:34 pm »
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

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He was spot-on correct and still is!
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2019, 02:31:11 pm »
Why stop with Medicare? We could eliminate the poor all together if we just eliminated the need for them to have to pay for food, gas, housing, clothing, booze, etc. In fact they'll be filthy rich.

Lets shoot the whole Magilla.

Besides, the "poverty rate" would simply be adjusted upwards to accommodate the alleged "improvement."  That number is just as fudged as U3 Unemployment. 
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2019, 02:34:21 pm »
Besides, the "poverty rate" would simply be adjusted upwards to accommodate the alleged "improvement."  That number is just as fudged as U3 Unemployment.

No doubt they would if they weren't able to import the real McCoy - this way they get new voters as an added bonus.

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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2019, 02:35:27 pm »
They don't mean Medicare for all. They mean Medicaid for all. They just use Medicare because it sounds better. The poor are not going to pay $300 a month for a Medicare supplement.
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2019, 02:42:17 pm »
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

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Ironic that his England has a form of Universal Health Care
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2019, 02:45:33 pm »
Ironic that his England has a form of Universal Health Care

Consider what England was when he was alive compared to today.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2019, 08:19:56 pm »
Consider what England was when he was alive compared to today.

What do you mean?
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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2019, 08:55:09 pm »
This is a way far-left kook website with no credibility.  I'm not sure what the point of posting a mis-information, no-news-involved, opinion piece here. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2019, 09:04:08 pm »
Besides, the "poverty rate" would simply be adjusted upwards to accommodate the alleged "improvement."  That number is just as fudged as U3 Unemployment.

That's right... The old 'Let's give everyone a million dollars, and everyone will be rich' argument.

Those that profess such nonsense are ignorant of market forces.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2019, 09:08:21 pm »
What do you mean?

When Churchill was in his prime England was a world power. Now it's a repository for teeming third world masses yearning for state run healthcare & who's leaders cannot even summon the self confidence to cut the cord with Brussels.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2019, 09:19:29 pm »
This is a way far-left kook website with no credibility.  I'm not sure what the point of posting a mis-information, no-news-involved, opinion piece here. 

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Kook Site is right, I surfed it a bit when I saw this thread. 
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2019, 09:24:18 pm »
Kook Site is right, I surfed it a bit when I saw this thread.

I'd run across it a while back, I think in relation to a pro anti-AntiFa story. 

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2019, 09:29:18 pm »
They don't mean Medicare for all. They mean Medicaid for all. They just use Medicare because it sounds better. The poor are not going to pay $300 a month for a Medicare supplement.

Do democrap voters know there is a monthly fee for Medicare and the program is still is financial trouble? Of course not. Do they know Medicare recipients pay for a private supplement premium that will become illegal under the democommie's plan? Of course not. They know nothing and they vote.
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2019, 09:30:49 pm »
This is a way far-left kook website with no credibility.  I'm not sure what the point of posting a mis-information, no-news-involved, opinion piece here. 

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2019, 09:31:58 pm »
Ironic that his England has a form of Universal Health Care

Anyone with money avoids it like the plague and use private doctors. Funny that.
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2019, 09:32:02 pm »
This is a way far-left kook website with no credibility.  I'm not sure what the point of posting a mis-information, no-news-involved, opinion piece here. 

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2019, 09:37:44 pm »
They don't mean Medicare for all. They mean Medicaid for all. They just use Medicare because it sounds better. The poor are not going to pay $300 a month for a Medicare supplement.

The premiums of Medicare recipients will skyrocket (those on social security and forced onto it) as well as the payroll taxes for Medicare to pay for those who pay nothing into the system.  Nothing more than a grand scheme for wealth distribution; that is until the system is completely broken and we have the extremely wealthy and the extremely poor.
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2019, 09:42:55 pm »
Do democrap voters know there is a monthly fee for Medicare and the program is still is financial trouble? Of course not. Do they know Medicare recipients pay for a private supplement premium that will become illegal under the democommie's plan? Of course not. They know nothing and they vote.



Of course not!!! They think it is FREE..FREE...FREEE!!!

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2019, 10:04:44 pm »


Of course not!!! They think it is FREE..FREE...FREEE!!!

Rule 1: Nothing is free. Ever.
Rule 2: See rule 1.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2019, 11:36:08 pm »
This is a way far-left kook website with no credibility.  I'm not sure what the point of posting a mis-information, no-news-involved, opinion piece here. 

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Nothing wrong with the integrity of the site.

See here:
https://api.newsguardtech.com/2AB04A9C91318DAD662145C01478A486B24B94D8875D7977D9C554842B52CD79D90D785F9F5BD99FE8D0B0FC4E85D7084756D74F6E798D8D?cid=03afafd0-5c57-48f4-935c-2b0daf9e433b


The info is directly taken from the US Census Bureau and referenced in the article as well.

This week was open enrollment at my job and guess what? They changed providers. I liked my insurance, and I couldn't keep it.

This new provider is not accepted by my Primary Care Physician so I'll get getting to know a new doctor this year as well.

The private insurance system that we have today isn't special. Other countries insure their populations for much less.
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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2019, 11:46:18 pm »

The private insurance system that we have today isn't special. Other countries insure their populations for much less.

You're right, the private insurance we have today is not great, at least its nothing compared to the private insurance we had in 2009, before the government decided they could make it more 'affordable'.

Over the next several years I experienced at x3 increase in my premium, got dropped by three consecutive insurers as they went out of business and watched the quality of my insurance plummet.

I'm currently in a health care sharing group right now, relatively untouched by the government for the time being, and it actually approaches the quality of insurance I had before Obama f*&^ everything up.

Anyway I'm not totally convinced a total government takeover of the healthcare industry is a really great idea.

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Re: Medicare for All Would Cut Poverty by Over 20 Percent
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2019, 11:55:12 pm »
Poverty is a state of mind. 
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