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Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« on: September 15, 2019, 03:15:26 pm »
Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?

By Dean Garrison -  September 15, 2019


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Why in the world would anyone want to ban vaping products when real tobacco products kill millions of Americans?

The Trump Administration contends that vaping is dangerous and is promising a partial ban on vaping products.

Here’s more from Politico:

The Trump administration is finalizing a ban on flavored e-cigarettes after the outbreak of a vaping-related illness that’s sickened 450 people and resulted in at least six deaths.

“We can’t allow people to get sick and we can’t have our youth be so affected,” President Donald Trump said during an Oval Office meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar and acting FDA Commissioner Ned Sharpless. “People are dying from vaping, so we’re looking at it very closely.”

Democrats and increasing numbers of Republicans in Congress have pressed for flavor bans, age restrictions and other curbs on the sale of vaping products. They’ve urged the FDA to move faster to investigate and regulate e-cigarettes, which have been touted by manufacturers as a way to wean people from traditional cigarettes but have also led to what the FDA calls an “epidemic” of youth vaping of nicotine.

Public health officials haven’t established a firm cause for the vaping-related respiratory illnesses. Counterfeit or black-market vapes may be playing a role, but legal vapes haven’t been ruled out. Many of the cases have been linked to vaped forms of marijuana and its component, CBD.

Capitol Hill Democrats swiftly backed the administration’s move, calling it long overdue and further evidence that the growing e-cigarette market needs tight oversight. Democrats, led by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), had harshly criticized the administration’s response to the respiratory illness, hammering the FDA for weeks over its delays in taking decisive action.

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Siding with the Democrats President Trump?

Really?

Maybe not.

We have to remember that tobacco producing states are red states.

Earlier this year tobacco sales and stocks moved into an accelerated decline.

In fact, Big Tobacco is in such a decline that Phillip Morris stated back in mid July that it is considering no longer selling cigarettes.

Seriously!

Tom Macaulay reports for Computer World:

Phillip Morris International has taken a cannibalistic approach to disruption. The world’s largest publicly tobacco companysays that it wants to stop selling cigarettes.

Declining cigarette sales, smoking bans, a vaping boom and irrefutable evidence of health risks have led tobacco giants to shift their business models towards “reduced-risk products” (RRPs) that could provide a safer alternative to smoking.

PMI hopes its high-tech nicotine-delivery devices will give it an edge over its competitors.

The Marlboro maker has ploughed billions of dollars into developing these products, launched an advertising campaign urging smokers to quit and founded a life insurance company that offers customers who kick the habit  discounts on their premiums of up to 50 percent.

It also offers a discounts of up to 25 percent to customers who switch from smoking to PMI’s flagship RRP: the IQOS (I Quit Ordinary Smoking) heated tobacco product. Unlike e-cigarettes, which convert a nicotine-laced liquid into an inhalable vapour, the core substance in heated tobacco products (HTPs) is real tobacco.

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Phillip Morris is one of the largest players in the American tobacco industry.

Their decision to move away from tobacco might be a smart business move for them, but where does it leave the tobacco farmers in the American South?

The top 4 tobacco producing states in America are currently North Carolina, Kentucky, Virginia and Tennessee.

Tobacco states are crucial to Republicans, though Trump did lose Virginia in 2016.

So again, is this really about e-cigarettes being unhealthy?

Or is this move more about protecting tobacco farmers?

It might just be a little bit of both.

A cynic might say that protecting tobacco farmers also protects the economy and Republican votes.

Cigarettes kill people.

So why attack a safer alternative that might not be healthy, but is likely healthier than cracking open your next pack of Marlboro Reds?

We live in a country where ALMOST ALL policy decisions are political and as a Trump voter I realize that he sometimes makes decisions that I will not agree with.

Still, we have to remember, the alternative was Hillary so even when I disagree I can still feel good about keeping Satan’s Spawn out of The White House.

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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2019, 03:33:51 pm »
Aren't the e-cigarette makers getting their nicotine from tobacco? It is still too expensive to use synthetic nicotine. And in the other plants the percentage of nicotine is much lower than in tobacco.

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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2019, 03:41:58 pm »
   My money would be on Chinese Duck Urine being used for vaping stock, even if THC is added later.   No telling what's in that pizz.
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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2019, 06:12:59 pm »
Except for the fact that all the major tobacco companies own the vape companies.

But hey, conspiracy theories sell.
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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2019, 06:20:16 pm »
   All the Major Tabacco companies have a vaping alternative to their analogue products and no serious vaper would get near them. As usual their effort in this market was too little, too late. 
   I think most of this article is dead on, conspiracies aside.
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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2019, 06:24:10 pm »
The more likely culprit is the one receiving declining revenues from sin taxes. Jussayin.

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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2019, 07:59:05 pm »
The more likely culprit is the one receiving declining revenues from sin taxes. Jussayin.



I totally agree!!!

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Re: Are the Coming Vaping Bans a Guise for Protecting Big Tobacco?
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2019, 09:34:24 am »
Except for the fact that all the major tobacco companies own the vape companies.

But hey, conspiracy theories sell.
Well, J Myrle, If we're going for a conspiracy theory, I'd take the one that the people who used to self-medicate with tobacco as a mild antidepressant now are taking happy pills from Big Pharma (with some really wacky side effects at times).

Since anti-smokers can't gripe about second hand vape, or smelly clothes, or some of the stuff they griped about about tobacco being burned, they have had to find a different angle, namely, that it's bad for the children! --who, incidentally, aren't supposed to be doing either (vaping or smoking, or even chewing plug tobacco, for that matter.)

So, if you think there might be a conspiracy, that might be it (it's my odds on favorite). Make it even harder for the once self medicated masses to get tobacco (nicotine), and Big Pharma comes out ahead. Now take your meds, America.

And no. No happy pills for me.
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