Ted Cruz: John Bolton ouster may signal 'deep state forces' winning fight to salvage Obama Iran deal

[roamer_1]

Do you think that anyone alive would have been able to accomplish more in this short time given the situation as it exists and not as you seem to think it exists?

Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....

Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?

[Bigun]

@Bigun
Riiiiight. The DEMS can fire em, but we can't!

No! The Dems cannot FIRE them any more than the Republicans can and it was carefully planned and laws created that make it so.  IIRC republicans were very much in the wilderness for 40+ years in Washington until Newt came along and changed that with his contract for America in 1994. 

Why, pray tell, don't we have our own 'Deep State' patriots embedded likewise?

Because the culture that exists in those places prevents it.  Much like conservative professors at government universities.

If it IS true, which is beyond absurd, then all you have proven is again, how worthless and bumbling the Republican party has been.

It is totally absurd but the Republicans who have tried to do something about it have been vilified! Witness Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon!

I will bet you right now, there will never be a damn thing proven about this 'Deep State' bullcrap, and 'Q' will never get the goods, nor be identified... And all this whole line of crap is, is a boogey man to blame, and rally against.

It will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Watch and see.

Once again, I sincerely hope and pray that you are wrong about that and believe you are. It's not going to be easy but it's GOT to be rooted out and deat with. 

[Bigun]

Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....

Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?

You can continue to scream and holler to your heart's content but this is not going to change a thing!

I'm done! You can wake and smell the coffee or not. I don't care.

[skeeter]

Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....

Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?

If Trump were to eliminate the debt, or eliminate welfare, or stop illegal immigration his predecessor can simply reverse his policies and start spending again, or open the borders, or propose new welfare programs. The best we can hope for a temporary hiatus from the statist insanity, 4 or 8 years at a time. And I'll take the hiatus if thats all thats available.

It'll take a seismic shift in the public's attitude to truly change things, and I don't see that happening.

[roamer_1]

If Trump were to eliminate the debt, or eliminate welfare, or stop illegal immigration his predecessor can simply reverse his policies and start spending again, or open the borders, or propose new welfare programs. The best we can hope for a temporary hiatus from the statist insanity, 4 or 8 years at a time. And I'll take the hiatus if thats all thats available.

It'll take a seismic shift in the public's attitude to truly change things, and I don't see that happening.

And in the mean time, by NOT insisting upon principles, the Republican vanguard slides further and further to the left. That is the insipid result of taking what you can get. That is why I refuse, and why every Conservative should refuse, to be happy with the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

There is no real and lasting opposition... FOR THAT REASON. Goes along gets along gets you exactly that. Just pull that lever for the big rhinestone 'R'.

And socialism grows.

I will reiterate:
Socialism does not win by merit. It has no merit.
It wins because it has no opposition.

[skeeter]

And in the mean time, by NOT insisting upon principles, the Republican vanguard slides further and further to the left. That is the insipid result of taking what you can get. That is why I refuse, and why every Conservative should refuse, to be happy with the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

There is no real and lasting opposition... FOR THAT REASON. Goes along gets along gets you exactly that. Just pull that lever for the big rhinestone 'R'.

And socialism grows.

I will reiterate:
Socialism does not win by merit. It has no merit.
It wins because it has no opposition.

Pretty much true.

'Cept I don't believe in leaving the field to the enemy. If there's only one thing left to be done I'll do that, however inconsequential.

[roamer_1]

Pretty much true.

'Cept I don't believe in leaving the field to the enemy. If there's only one thing left to be done I'll do that, however inconsequential.

But don't you see? That is EXACTLY what you (all y'all) are doing.

There is but a handful of true blue Conservatives left in government. The Republicans are all but subsumed. The only way - THE ONLY WAY to fix this is to take a principled stand. The supposed guardians of the right, the Republicans, betray you. If there is no more a Conservative faction, with power enough to matter, and hands on the wheel, then there is no opposition whatsoever.

AGAIN, SOMMORE, EVEN YET.

[skeeter]

But don't you see? That is EXACTLY what you (all y'all) are doing.

There is but a handful of true blue Conservatives left in government. The Republicans are all but subsumed. The only way - THE ONLY WAY to fix this is to take a principled stand. The supposed guardians of the right, the Republicans, betray you. If there is no more a Conservative faction, with power enough to matter, and hands on the wheel, then there is no opposition whatsoever.

AGAIN, SOMMORE, EVEN YET.

I cannot think of a single 'true blue conservative' in government. A month ago I would've chosen someone like Mike Lee but like everyone else he's recently proved he's more interested in maintaining his position of privilege than he is principles.

They prove to us time after time they are ALL political animals. They may not go in that way, but it doesn't take them long to realize who truly signs their checks.

Truth be told, we get the government we (the collective we) deserve. And we've got it. And thats all we'll have unless you can figure out a way to move the hearts of tens of millions of NON CONSERVATIVE voters.

So that leaves turning a bull loose in the china shop as the only non-violent option we few have. Trump is as close as we have to that.

[roamer_1]

I cannot think of a single 'true blue conservative' in government. A month ago I would've chosen someone like Mike Lee but like everyone else he's recently proved he's more interested in maintaining his position of privilege than he is principles.

They prove to us time after time they are ALL political animals. They may not go in that way, but it doesn't take them long to realize who truly signs their checks.

Truth be told, we get the government we (the collective we) deserve. And we've got it. And thats all we'll have unless you can figure out a way to move the hearts of tens of millions of voters.

So that leaves turning a bull loose in the china shop as our only non-violent option we few have. Trump is as close as we have to that.

Or that is what you have been led to believe.

Which is why Conservatives look at the record. Regardless of how Lee is being bashed, his record tells the tale. Believe what you wish - I will look to the record, and forego the mouthbreathing in the press.

As it turns out, more Conservatives have been ground beneath the hooves of your 'bull in the china shop' than anyone else.

And your bull works hand-in-glove with the NeoCon moderates in GOP leadership to preserve them.

A NYC liberal + NeoCon leadership... You do the math.

But you are right in one thing - You ARE getting the government you deserve...

[skeeter]

Or that is what you have been led to believe.

Which is why Conservatives look at the record. Regardless of how Lee is being bashed, his record tells the tale. Believe what you wish - I will look to the record, and forego the mouthbreathing in the press.

As it turns out, more Conservatives have been ground beneath the hooves of your 'bull in the china shop' than anyone else.

And your bull works hand-in-glove with the NeoCon moderates in GOP leadership to preserve them.

A NYC liberal + NeoCon leadership... You do the math.

But you are right in one thing - You ARE getting the government you deserve...

Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?

Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.

[kevindavis007]

Behold, the Deep State!
Amorphous, evil, ever to blame, and never to be identified...

MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

RUUUUUUUNNNNN! The Deeeep State! It's cooooommmminggggg!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!


Sorry... The Deep State made me do it. 
O_M_G !! I can't believe it took me this long to see it. 

 

[roamer_1]

Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?

What has Tump done that's permanent? What do we get to keep when he leaves?
A tax cut for corporations.
And more debt than Obama.
Questionable judges.

By far and away, everything he has done - All by EO - are gone at his exit.

I will stack Mike Lee up against that any day.

Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.

If I am right, and it is self-evident to me, that the principles that we all purport to hold dear are the only enduring fix for what ails America, then you are welcome to establish your position upon that support curve and affix your liability yourself.

I do not accuse you.

[TomSea]

Pompeo is pretty reliable, if Pompeo stays at the helm, hopefully, there is little reason to worry about Rand/Ron Paul Extremist views on these matters and that is what they are, extremist views. Let's not forget, Rand really couldn't get his presidential candidacy off the ground. For foreign affairs, it's certainly similar to Tulsi's.

[skeeter]

What has Tump done that's permanent? What do we get to keep when he leaves?
A tax cut for corporations.
And more debt than Obama.
Questionable judges.

By far and away, everything he has done - All by EO - are gone at his exit.

I will stack Mike Lee up against that any day.

If I am right, and it is self-evident to me, that the principles that we all purport to hold dear are the only enduring fix for what ails America, then you are welcome to establish your position upon that support curve and affix your liability yourself.

As are you.

[roamer_1]

As are you.

My support goes to Conservatism, not to a man.

[skeeter]

My support goes to Conservatism, not to a man.

Good luck finding tangible ways to promote conservatism.

[libertybele]

Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?

Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.

Mike Lee has turned RINO.

[Chosen Daughter]

Christianity IS Christianity and always will be @Chosen Daughter   You have a choice not to follow the New Age b.s.  I stopped going to church because of all the malarkey.  The denominational churches demand $$$ and then give it to leftist causes and non-denominational churches do the same and I have yet to meet a born again Christian that wasn't hypocritical.  I continue to pray every day, read the Bible and strive to have a closer relationship with God Almighty the Lord Jesus Christ.

Trust in your Christian beliefs and roots.  Refuse to become a part of the attack on Christianity and those who try to destroy it from within the churches.

I am a born again Christian.  I am not perfect, no person is.  But I do believe that the Bible is the only written Word to live your life by.  All that stuff that the church is into now is mysticism, Kundalini, physic new age garbage. Evangelical NAR.  No Christianity in it.  And it is the NAR that is preaching revival.  All I am seeing is a real falling away.  Good Christians are getting caught up because they are not testing what is going on by the Word.

And I am not saying all churches are doing this, but being a Christian these days requires you to really discern what you are hearing, doing at church. 

[Chosen Daughter]

What I am talking about also is a church with God absent.  I scrolled through many tweets on Jerry Falwell Jr. Twitter account.  He is the leader of one of the biggest Christian Universities.  But God is absent in all his words.  Its about politics.  The Bible tells us that we need to make Disciples of Christians.  We need to mirror Jesus as an example.  Feed, cloth and care for people.  And if Christians had the same zeal for Christ as they do for politics and Donald Trump our twitter feeds would be full of the examples of good works through Christ.

[txradioguy]

Pompeo is pretty reliable, if Pompeo stays at the helm, hopefully, there is little reason to worry about Rand/Ron Paul Extremist views on these matters and that is what they are, extremist views. Let's not forget, Rand really couldn't get his presidential candidacy off the ground. For foreign affairs, it's certainly similar to Tulsi's.

No there's reason to worry.  He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions".  That's frightening.  That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.

The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983.  1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.

And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?

What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?

[Bigun]

No there's reason to worry.  He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions".  That's frightening.  That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.

The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983.  1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.

And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?

What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?

    The current "leadership" in Iran is THE PROBLEM in the Middle East and for so long as they remain in power the problems WILL persist!  That is a FACT and I'm sure that John Boulton's persistence in reminding people of it is why he no longer works for the president.

[libertybele]

What I am talking about also is a church with God absent.  I scrolled through many tweets on Jerry Falwell Jr. Twitter account.  He is the leader of one of the biggest Christian Universities.  But God is absent in all his words.  Its about politics.  The Bible tells us that we need to make Disciples of Christians.  We need to mirror Jesus as an example.  Feed, cloth and care for people.  And if Christians had the same zeal for Christ as they do for politics and Donald Trump our twitter feeds would be full of the examples of good works through Christ.

 

[truth_seeker]

No there's reason to worry.  He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions".  That's frightening.  That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.

The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983.  1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.

And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?

What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?

Nixon met with China, and Reagan met with Gorby and together they were responsible for milions of deaths.

Arranging those proceedings to a long time.

Trump stated that when Bolton's remarks about Libya jeopardized talks with N. Korea, that was the final straw.

[txradioguy]

Nixon met with China, and Reagan met with Gorby and together they were responsible for milions of deaths.

Arranging those proceedings to a long time.

Trump stated that when Bolton's remarks about Libya jeopardized talks with N. Korea, that was the final straw.

Get back to me when either of those countries are labeled Terrorist sponsoring nations in the same way Iran has been so labeled.

Your attempt to justify sitting down with terrorists...whether it's the mad Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban as being the same as meeting with China or Russia falls woefully short.  And I hope most here see it for what it is.

Not to mention the reasons for meeting with them were completely different than what Trump is trying to do.

[Bigun]

Get back to me when either of those countries are labeled Terrorist sponsoring nations in the same way Iran has been so labeled.

Your attempt to justify sitting down with terrorists...whether it's the mad Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban as being the same as meeting with China or Russia falls woefully short.  And I hope most here see it for what it is.

Not to mention the reasons for meeting with them were completely different than what Trump is trying to do.

     Trump has done a lot of things I like and agree with but IMHO he screwed the pooch when he let Boulton go.