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In your opinion Was Trump's decision to Fire Bolton Good or Bad?

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #175 on: September 11, 2019, 12:46:40 am »
The company she keeps.

Precisely!  Her first assignment when she got back to the States was a 6-month writing gig in Berkeley, CA.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #176 on: September 11, 2019, 12:55:40 am »
I haven’t felt the same about John Bolton since the Tucker Carlson interview. Although Carlson was hard on him Bolton showed a surprising lack of grace for a senior statesman.

Of course I am more sympathetic with Carlson’s point f view.

Tucker's kind of an isolationist non-interventionist  type. I've mixed feelings but it's great to see everyone's opinion.  Your statement is a bit intriguing.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #177 on: September 11, 2019, 01:03:42 am »
I haven’t felt the same about John Bolton since the Tucker Carlson interview. Although Carlson was hard on him Bolton showed a surprising lack of grace for a senior statesman.

Of course I am more sympathetic with Carlson’s point f view.

Carlson just ripped him a new one on his show.  Not one nice thing to say about Bolton.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #178 on: September 11, 2019, 01:06:59 am »
Carlson just ripped him a new one on his show.  Not one nice thing to say about Bolton.

I guess Tucker's been holding back on us....
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #179 on: September 11, 2019, 01:12:59 am »
Brett Baier saying Bolton was AGAINST the Camp David meeting and was skeptical about the Taliban wanting peace and not to trust them

That's what I thought.  How could you not be.  Last time when Trump wanted Congress to pay for the Taliban expenses to attend a peace meeting they hadn't stopped bombings in Afghanistan.  There was an attack in the headlines right at the same time.  We all know what the Taliban is.  A person would have to be crazy to think that they would change and embrace any kind of peace. 

Nope, back to stoning women.  Acid attacks.  No kites.  No women going to school...……….

I always liked Bolton. 
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2019, 01:13:38 am »
Who's acting National Security Advisor? Trump said he'd appoint a new one next week, this is Business Insider, no endorsement for tone of article, excerpt (never heard of him):

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Meet Charlie Kupperman, Trump’s acting national security adviser who advised a group that promotes anti-Muslim conspiracy theories

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 Kupperman served in President Ronald Reagan's administration and as an executive at defense contractors Boeing and Lockheed Martin before joining the Trump administration last January.

Civil rights groups have raised alarms about Kupperman's association with the Center for Security Policy, a right-wing think tank that has promoted a host of anti-Muslim conspiracy theories.

Kupperman is a longtime adviser to Bolton and reportedly aligns with the outgoing official's hawkish orientation towards foreign policy and intervention.

More: https://www.businessinsider.com/meet-charlie-kupperman-trumps-acting-national-security-adviser-2019-9

Scarce information from wikipedia

 Center for Security Policy  <----  This is Frank Gaffney's organization, he was also in the Reagan administration. Now, these guys, Frank too, get tarred and feathered by people using the race card (maybe religion card actually). The article above says CAIR have petitioned to have him removed from the administration.

Doesn't sound too bad actually, you never know, when one of these people will have to do this on a permanent basis.



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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2019, 01:14:41 am »
I guess Tucker's been holding back on us....

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #182 on: September 11, 2019, 01:15:19 am »
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #183 on: September 11, 2019, 01:16:12 am »
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #184 on: September 11, 2019, 01:23:29 am »
Ditto

Same here.  But, I'm not sure what I think about this.

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #185 on: September 11, 2019, 01:26:13 am »
Same here.  But, I'm not sure what I think about this.

Sixth-dimensional chess. Fire the hardass. Make the other side think they have just gained something.
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #186 on: September 11, 2019, 02:07:32 am »
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Analysis | Something is fishy about Trump’s John Bolton announcement

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Trump tweeted around noon: “I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore … I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.”

But just an hour before the announcement, the White House announced that Bolton would be appearing at a 1:30 p.m. news conference alongside Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. If Bolton was on his way out as of Monday night, why did the White House press office not seem to know about it at 11 a.m. Tuesday?

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Bolton, though, has always been extremely outspoken about his foreign policy, rarely shying away from taking unpopular positions. In contrast to the growing number of yes-men and -women who surround Trump, Bolton’s a true believer who logic suggests could ruffle some feathers in the weeks and months ahead — particularly if he views Trump as capitulating to America’s enemies.

More at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/10/something-is-fishy-about-trumps-john-bolton-announcement/

Something a bit off with this; though, Trump could have let Bolton lead the meeting and fired him...

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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #187 on: September 11, 2019, 02:26:32 am »
   You'd think someone that made Fame & $$$ saying 'You're Fired' wouldn't result to twitter, but maybe he's just tired of firing people.



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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #188 on: September 11, 2019, 02:32:33 am »
Where is Frank?
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Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #189 on: September 11, 2019, 11:44:48 am »
Allegra from FR was a contractor.... not sure exactly what her role was....

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« Reply #192 on: September 11, 2019, 01:43:02 pm »
I’m listening to the opening monologue from Andrew Wilkow’s show from yesterday and he was talking about Bolton being let go. He mentioned that he and David Webb and a few other talk radio hosts had an off the record meeting with the President. He noted they aren’t allowed to quote directly anything Trump said...but...he said Trump... when it comes to foreign policy is “a lot more like Ron and Rand Paul that people realize or that he (Trump) will ever get credit for.”
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Re: BREAKING...John Bolton Fired!
« Reply #193 on: September 11, 2019, 02:16:06 pm »

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To a carpenter, every problem looks like a nail that needs hammering. John Bolton is that carpenter, and according to him the Middle East is that nail that needed hammering.

It took 18 years, but Americans are expressing weariness with pointless wars in the Middle East. We don’t want any more Mideast wars, no more wasted lives, no more missing limbs, no more wasted treasure. No more regime change.

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« Reply #194 on: September 11, 2019, 02:29:56 pm »
I’m listening to the opening monologue from Andrew Wilkow’s show from yesterday and he was talking about Bolton being let go. He mentioned that he and David Webb and a few other talk radio hosts had an off the record meeting with the President. He noted they aren’t allowed to quote directly anything Trump said...but...he said Trump... when it comes to foreign policy is “a lot more like Ron and Rand Paul that people realize or that he (Trump) will ever get credit for.”

And THAT is the problem IMHO!
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« Reply #195 on: September 11, 2019, 02:32:00 pm »

Trump was right to fire that career war agitator, John Bolton.

I respectfully but strongly disagree and believe that the president will come to realize, and never admit publically, that he made a BIG mistake here.
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« Reply #196 on: September 11, 2019, 02:35:56 pm »
I respectfully but strongly disagree and believe that the president will come to realize, and never admit publically, that he made a BIG mistake here.

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« Reply #197 on: September 11, 2019, 02:38:51 pm »
And THAT is the problem IMHO!

It's a huge problem is he has their views on foreign policy.
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« Reply #198 on: September 11, 2019, 03:27:12 pm »
I’m listening to the opening monologue from Andrew Wilkow’s show from yesterday and he was talking about Bolton being let go. He mentioned that he and David Webb and a few other talk radio hosts had an off the record meeting with the President. He noted they aren’t allowed to quote directly anything Trump said...but...he said Trump... when it comes to foreign policy is “a lot more like Ron and Rand Paul that people realize or that he (Trump) will ever get credit for.”




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« Reply #199 on: September 11, 2019, 04:28:15 pm »
I respectfully but strongly disagree and believe that the president will come to realize, and never admit publically, that he made a BIG mistake here.

Yep... I don't mind a more civil-libertarian approach wrt foreign policy... In fact, I would prefer it.

But not when it comes to the war we already have. Bad move. Very bad.