MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition’

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MSNBC Contributor: Shooters Kill ‘Thousands’ With ‘Automatic’ Weapons, ‘High-Capacity Ammunition’
Donna Edwards expects Democrats will pass 'sensible gun safety bills'

Andrew Kugle - September 4, 2019 1:00 PM

MSNBC contributor and former congresswoman Donna Edwards said on Wednesday that shooters are killing thousands of people with "automatic" weapons with "high-capacity ammunition."

"It's ridiculous putting the death penalty on the table," the former Democratic lawmaker said in reference to the Trump administration's proposal to execute mass shooters faster. "I mean, people who are committing mass shootings aren't saying, ‘Well, I might get the death penalty so I won't do it.' No, they're getting these automatic rifles, they're using high capacity ammunition, and they're killing, they're mowing down hundreds, thousands of people every single year."

Edwards made several inaccurate statements in her response.

First, the new sale of automatic weapons to civilians was banned by the Hughes Amendment in 1986 and there have been no recent reports of automatic weapons being used in crimes. The former congresswoman might have meant to say assault weapons instead of "automatic rifles." Assault weapon is a difficult term to define because it is defined differently by state and legislation. It usually refers to semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines and certain cosmetic features like adjustable stocks. Automatic weapons refer to a when one pull of the trigger continually discharges ammunition until the trigger is released or the ammo runs out.

Second, there is no such thing as "high-capacity ammunition." Edwards might have been referring to high-capacity magazines. Banning high-capacity magazines have been a goal of proponents of gun control.

"Well, it really does like they're trying to run out the clock. And, look, the onus is squarely in the hands of Mitch McConnell," Edwards said. "He can decide what to put on the floor of the Senate. Next week when Democrats get back I fully expect that they are going pass another of other gun safety, sensible gun safety bills that they put on the floor, including making sure that we begin to deal with assault weapons, which is the weapon of choice in many of these mass shootings."

https://freebeacon.com/issues/msnbc-contributor-shooters-kill-thousands-with-automatic-weapons-high-capacity-ammunition/

[skeeter]

What will happen to political discourse in this nation when fully half of the electorate content themselves with ONLY lies and fantasy to support their opinions?

[Jazzhead]

What will happen to political discourse in this nation when fully half of the electorate content themselves with ONLY lies and fantasy to support their opinions?

Both sides rely on lies and fantasy,  just of a different variety.   

[PeteS in CA]

"No, they're getting these automatic1 rifles2, they're using high capacity ammunition3, and they're killing, they're mowing down hundreds, thousands of people4 every single year."

1 Automatic weapons are all but banned in the US. Somebody needs to watch less TV and movies.

2 Only a small minority of murders in the US are committed with rifles.

3 What in Hades does that mean? A bullet that splits into multiple sections to target multiple victims?

4 Since the "they" this fool is talking about are the murderers, lets get those murderers off the streets and into prison for life or onto a brief one-way journey to the graveyard!

[austingirl]

The high capacity ammunition phrase is from Biden and Buttdigger's statements about no compromising on restricting 2A rights. The mindless, uninformed media who also know nothing about firearms just repeat the meaningless phrase.

[txradioguy]

Both sides rely on lies and fantasy,  just of a different variety.

Really?  What is "high capacity" ammunition?  Name the last shooter that used an automatic weapon? 

Your side loses the debate before ever leaving the starting gate because they don't know a thing about firearms...not that it stops them from pontificating on the subject to uncurious types that will buy what they say hook line and sinker.

BTW...have you ever been able to define exactly what an assault weapon is?

[austingirl]

David Webb attempted to educate Jessica Tarlov (a repulsive leftist with a voice like she's gargling a gerbil) about guns. All she could do was repeat assault weapons and AR15.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/03/watch-david-webb-obliterates-anti-gunner-with-the-cold-hard-facts-about-firearm-n2552561

[txradioguy]

David Webb attempted to educate Jessica Tarlov (a repulsive leftist with a voice like she's gargling a gerbil) about guns. All she could do was repeat assault weapons and AR15.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/03/watch-david-webb-obliterates-anti-gunner-with-the-cold-hard-facts-about-firearm-n2552561

Tarlov is an idiot and knows nothing about weapons and murder rates and guns of choice by criminals.  Webb exposes that fact about her.  She knows only what she's told by the anti-gun lobbyists.

[PeteS in CA]

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BTW...have you ever been able to define exactly what an assault weapon is?

It's your Dad's deer rifle with scary-looking attachments that have no effect on the rifle's power, range, or accuracy.

[txradioguy]

It's your Dad's deer rifle with scary-looking attachments that have no effect on the rifle's power, range, or accuracy.

Yeah that too.  But with the vague and ever shifting use of the term by Progressives...it could mean a brick as much as anything else.

[austingirl]

Tarlov is an idiot and knows nothing about weapons and murder rates and guns of choice by criminals.  Webb exposes that fact about her.  She knows only what she's told by the anti-gun lobbyists.

QFT

[Cyber Liberty]

What will happen to political discourse in this nation when fully half of the electorate content themselves with ONLY lies and fantasy to support their opinions?

I don't think that's been a hypothetical question since 2012, when the LIVs knew full well what kind of pResidnet Obastard was. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Both sides rely on lies and fantasy,  just of a different variety.

There you go again.  Both sides my ass.

[EdJames]

David Webb attempted to educate Jessica Tarlov (a repulsive leftist with a voice like she's gargling a gerbil) about guns. All she could do was repeat assault weapons and AR15.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2019/09/03/watch-david-webb-obliterates-anti-gunner-with-the-cold-hard-facts-about-firearm-n2552561

That Tarlov woman is a monster.

[skeeter]

Both sides rely on lies and fantasy,  just of a different variety.

I can understand why you would think so @Jazzhead.

But you are quite clearly misinformed.

[Jazzhead]

There you go again.  Both sides my ass.

Yes, both sides.    This is a classic confrontation between individual liberty and the right to use a lawful and useful product vs. the rights of the peaceable community - both of which are the responsibility of government to secure.   There IS a middle ground,  notwithstanding the lies and fantasies proffered by extremists on both sides. 

[txradioguy]

Yes, both sides.    This is a classic confrontation between individual liberty and the right to use a lawful and useful product vs. the rights of the peaceable community - both of which are the responsibility of government to secure.   There IS a middle ground,  notwithstanding the lies and fantasies proffered by extremists on both sides.

The only extremism being proffered here is by people like you who seek to restrict as much as possible an unalienable right enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

You and the rest of the gun grabbers always demands the law abiding citizen give ground...make the compromises and accept less freedom and less safety so you lefties can pass another feel good useless law that no criminal will ever obey and that won’t stop another shooting.

It’s time the left takes a step back from their march towards the destruction of the Constitution.

BTW...what’s an “assault weapon”?  Have you ever fired a gun?

[Jazzhead]

The only extremism being proffered here is by people like you who seek to restrict as much as possible an unalienable right enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

Since Justice Scalia himself,  possibly the Court's greatest Constitutionalist in the last century,  stated that the individual gun right is subject to reasonable regulation, then, yes, I say that folks like yourself are indeed extremists. 

There are extremists on both sides,  and I choose to speak for those responsible citizens who see a role for government in securing BOTH individual liberty and the peaceable community.   

[austingirl]

The only extremism being proffered here is by people like you who seek to restrict as much as possible an unalienable right enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

You and the rest of the gun grabbers always demands the law abiding citizen give ground...make the compromises and accept less freedom and less safety so you lefties can pass another feel good useless law that no criminal will ever obey and that won’t stop another shooting.

It’s time the left takes a step back from their march towards the destruction of the Constitution.

BTW...what’s an “assault weapon”?  Have you ever fired a gun?

 

[Cyber Liberty]

The only extremism being proffered here is by people like you who seek to restrict as much as possible an unalienable right enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

You and the rest of the gun grabbers always demands the law abiding citizen give ground...make the compromises and accept less freedom and less safety so you lefties can pass another feel good useless law that no criminal will ever obey and that won’t stop another shooting.

It’s time the left takes a step back from their march towards the destruction of the Constitution.

BTW...what’s an “assault weapon”?  Have you ever fired a gun?

I'm for compromise:  Repeal the '86 law prohibiting automatic rifles.  Why does "compromise" always mean our side (which isn't "engaging in fantasy") has to give ground?  I say it's the grabbers' turn.

BTW, if he has actually fired a gun, did it give him PTSD?  Might explain the fantasies he engages in?

[Cyber Liberty]

Since Justice Scalia himself,  possibly the Court's greatest Constitutionalist in the last century,  stated that the individual gun right is subject to reasonable regulation, then, yes, I say that folks like yourself are indeed extremists. 

There are extremists on both sides,  and I choose to speak for those responsible citizens who see a role for government in securing BOTH individual liberty and the peaceable community.

Your protestations to the contrary, you are an extremist on one side.  @Jazzhead

[240B]

Every weapon is necessarily an 'assault weapon'. That is the very definition of a weapon. How could any weapon possibly be made not to assault something.

Think of a hammer. Is a hammer an 'assault weapon'? Well, that depends entirely on who is holding it. The same with a gun.

[txradioguy]

Since Justice Scalia himself,  possibly the Court's greatest Constitutionalist in the last century,  stated that the individual gun right is subject to reasonable regulation, then, yes,

Then no.  Because you lie by omission on what Justice Scalia said about "reasonable regulation" because his actual words don't fit your anti-gun narrative.

I've quoted what he said before when you spout this falsehood about Scalia and you ignore it.  But for those that may not know the deception you're engaged in here's what he said.

"Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/07-290.pdf

It's on Page 54 of the ruling.

What I bolded...is what Justice Scalia in the majority opinion was referring to as "reasonable regulation".  Not the open ended ability to abuse the Second Amendment you lead people to believe.

I say that folks like yourself are indeed extremists.

So much for your belief that name calling and labelling is bad.

There are extremists on both sides,  and I choose to speak for those responsible citizens who see a role for government in securing BOTH individual liberty and the peaceable community.

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither. Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither." ~ Benjamin Franklin

[txradioguy]

Every weapon is necessarily an 'assault weapon'. That is the very definition of a weapon. How could any weapon possibly be made not to assault something.

Think of a hammer. Is a hammer an 'assault weapon'? Well, that depends entirely on who is holding it. The same with a gun.

@240B and because the left has made that subtle shift in language from "rifle" to "weapon"...it allows them to ban whatever they deem to be an "assault weapon"...if they manage to get rid of AR-15's...pistol caliber carbines will be next...then your Glock...then lever action rifles and shotguns it won't stop until a total ban is achieved.

[Cyber Liberty]

@240B and because the left has made that subtle shift in language from "rifle" to "weapon"...it allows them to ban whatever they deem to be an "assault weapon"...if they manage to get rid of AR-15's...pistol caliber carbines will be next...then your Glock...then lever action rifles and shotguns it won't stop until a total ban is achieved.

Then it will become fashionable to ban butter knives.  Eventually they'll have to start amputating hands because they can be made into fists.