BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail

[Bill Cipher]

uh huh

Denial is a river...

Denying rabid conspiracy-mongering that has no basis in fact or anything that would count as evidence, beyond mere political hatred?

I’ll take that river ride. 

Funny thing: Nixon, while still in office, couldn’t successfully cover up a simple break-in, but according to all the “Solomons” here, not only have the Clintons managed to successfully cover up multiple murders, they’ve done it without either one being in the White House, and during the same time the very same “Solomons” here have derided them as washed up and as so clueless that she couldn’t even run a successful campaign to win back the White House. 

Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself because he realized that (a) he’s never getting out again - he wouldn’t get bail during this trial - so he cannot just leave and go hide out overseas, and (b) the sweet plea deal he got last time is about to be ripped up and he’d be retried on all the crimes that were covered by that deal.  And (c) with the records in that libel case unsealed, everything would be exposed to the world, and most likely there’s evidence in there that would sink him.  And (d) his expected lifespan inside would be very short once convicted because child molesters don’t tend to last very long when other inmates get wind of them. 

[verga]

@Applewood

I don't know how it would be possible to go forward in criminal court. His estate didn't pimp out anybody.

The alleged victims can sure as hell sue his estate for damages,though.

And will,as long as there are lawyers out there eager to dip their bills into the blood.

It is easier to get a win in a civil case if there is a criminal conviction. That was one of the big issues with the O.J. Simpson trial.

[roamer_1]

Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself

I don't care at all about the why.
I care that there is no video footage.
That's bogus, no matter what.

[Bill Cipher]

I don't care at all about the why.
I care that there is no video footage.
That's bogus, no matter what.

[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics. 

On top of which, we do have evidence that the Clintons cannot maintain a simple conspiracy, even when Bill was in the White House, because the blue dress still came out, and Clinton was impeached for that.  How come Monica Lewinsky is still walking around and breathing on her own?  How come the other accusers are still walking and talking on their own?

[bigheadfred]

Denying rabid conspiracy-mongering that has no basis in fact or anything that would count as evidence, beyond mere political hatred?

I’ll take that river ride. 

Funny thing: Nixon, while still in office, couldn’t successfully cover up a simple break-in, but according to all the “Solomons” here, not only have the Clintons managed to successfully cover up multiple murders, they’ve done it without either one being in the White House, and during the same time the very same “Solomons” here have derided them as washed up and as so clueless that she couldn’t even run a successful campaign to win back the White House. 

Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself because he realized that (a) he’s never getting out again - he wouldn’t get bail during this trial - so he cannot just leave and go hide out overseas, and (b) the sweet plea deal he got last time is about to be ripped up and he’d be retried on all the crimes that were covered by that deal.  And (c) with the records in that libel case unsealed, everything would be exposed to the world, and most likely there’s evidence in there that would sink him.  And (d) his expected lifespan inside would be very short once convicted because child molesters don’t tend to last very long when other inmates get wind of them.

SHU (Special Housing Unit)

They have them for a reason.

[Bill Cipher]

SHU (Special Housing Unit)

They have them for a reason.

And they’re not 100% effective.  Epstein chose to go out on his own terms rather than take the very large risk of going out like a dog in prison. 

[Sanguine]

[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics. 

On top of which, we do have evidence that the Clintons cannot maintain a simple conspiracy, even when Bill was in the White House, because the blue dress still came out, and Clinton was impeached for that.  How come Monica Lewinsky is still walking around and breathing on her own?  How come the other accusers are still walking and talking on their own?

Good grief.   Other people have opinions based on the available information.  Yours is not necessarily the correct one.  No need to insult everyone who doesn't see things the same way you do.

[roamer_1]

[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics.

I don't give a crap about the Clintons.
I don't even care to point a finger at anyone right now, because it could come from any number of directions.

What I care about is that every detention I have ever been in (admittedly but a few) has video absolutely everywhere, for the purpose of protecting the COs. Every hall, every pod, every cell, everywhere.

If they don't have tapes, it's bullcrap.

[Bill Cipher]

Good grief.   Other people have opinions based on the available information.  Yours is not necessarily the correct one.  No need to insult everyone who doesn't see things the same way you do.

Good grief yourself.  I’m simply applying to this case the same tools that certain folk demanded be applied to Moore and Kavanaugh.

There is no “evidence” that’s been presented on which various people can have differing opinions because there has been no evidence presented, period.

But, if you want TBR to be the right-wing version of democreticundergound, that’s your privilege.

[XenaLee]

Sorry.  No dice.  But please, do keep making utter asses out of yourselves with this ridiculous conspiracy-mongering.

It brings out all of y’all’s inner liberal.

And speaking of "inner liberal"..... you have no sense of humor.   But we knew that.

[rangerrebew]

If an egotist like Epstein committed suicide, I haven't had a bowel movement in 71 years and I can assure you that isn't true.

[bigheadfred]

Little place I visited in New Mexico. They didn't have any jailers. They had facilitators.

[Bill Cipher]

If an egotist like Epstein committed suicide, I haven't had a bowel movement in 71 years and I can assure you that isn't true.

Then you’d better get some ex-lax. 

[EdJames]

Little place I visited in New Mexico. They didn't have any jailers. They had facilitators.

Jailer for Sale or Rent...

 

[Bigun]

Good grief yourself.  I’m simply applying to this case the same tools that certain folk demanded be applied to Moore and Kavanaugh.

There is no “evidence” that’s been presented on which various people can have differing opinions because there has been no evidence presented, period.

But, if you want TBR to be the right-wing version of democreticundergound, that’s your privilege.

You apply whatever you damned well please but it will have no effect on me what-so-ever.
 

[XenaLee]

Then you’d better get some ex-lax.

Projecting much?   

[Bill Cipher]

You apply whatever you damned well please but it will have no effect on me what-so-ever.
 

Yes, well, you’ve already proven yourself singularly insulated from rational thought or evidence-based thinking, so no great surprise there. 

[Bigun]

Yes, well, you’ve already proven yourself singularly insulated from rational thought or evidence-based thinking, so no great surprise there.

Whatever you say sport!

[Bill Cipher]

Whatever you say sport!

Sorry that the truth hurts, but that’s just the way it is. 

How is it that Bill and Hillary couldn’t cover up a simple little stained blue dress?

[Bigun]

Begone fly! 

[bigheadfred]

Jailer for Sale or Rent...

 

It was a warehouse. Minimum wage job. They had two rules.

1. Please don't kill us.

2. Please don't kill each other.

To keep either from happening (and make extra money) they would facilitate.  Seemed to work fine.--nobody died.

Did have a couple of guys climb the fence one day. Ever been to New Mexico? No place to run to, no place to hide...

[Bigun]

DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
SECTION: REMEMBERING THE DEAD
SUBSECTION: List of Names
Revised 7/14/00

https://web.archive.org/web/20010408073917/http://alamo-girl.com/0463.htm

[xyno]

You're surprised Epstein committed suicide?  Imagine how surprised he was! 

[bigheadfred]

Sorry that the truth hurts, but that’s just the way it is. 

How is it that Bill and Hillary couldn’t cover up a simple little stained blue dress?

How is it that Hillary committed High Crimes while a cabinet member and isn't doing hard time? Or been executed?

[bigheadfred]

You're surprised Epstein committed suicide?  Imagine how surprised he was!