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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2019, 12:29:03 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 26, 2019, 12:25:48 am
Didn't Chip Roy say he should just ignore these rulings?

I think he did but I've been saying it longer!   :laugh:
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2019, 12:35:52 am »
Quote from: Bigun on July 26, 2019, 12:29:03 am
I think he did but I've been saying it longer!   :laugh:

Me too!
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2019, 12:40:31 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 25, 2019, 11:55:09 pm
Me too Roamer.  And evil will become good

That's right... Right before our eyes.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2019, 01:30:14 am »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 26, 2019, 12:25:48 am
Didn't Chip Roy say he should just ignore these rulings?

If he did that he would surely be impeached, and he would not get a third of the Senate to stand with him.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2019, 01:32:11 am »
Quote from: mrclose on July 25, 2019, 08:46:27 pm
@Bigun
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I think that you (Bigun and Cyber) might enjoy looking this over.

N I N E  M E N  A G A I N S T  A M E R I C A

The Supreme Court and Its Attack on American Liberties

I would like to suggest that you look first at the two chapters below ... especially chapter 15.
(A must read for anyone who believes that John Roberts is the only jurist who has ever written law while on the SC!)

10. “CIVIL LIBERTIES”—FOR WHOM?

15. THE SUPREME COURT MAKES A LAW


http://sovereignstates.org/books/NMAA/NineMen_Contents.html

Great link!  It makes me sad to think this book was written in the year of my birth, meaning things were well and truly screwed since well before my arrival on this world.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2019, 01:35:27 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 26, 2019, 01:30:14 am
If he did that he would surely be impeached, and he would not get a third of the Senate to stand with him.

Sorry but I don't buy that for a second.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2019, 01:49:04 am »
Quote from: Bigun on July 26, 2019, 01:35:27 am
Sorry but I don't buy that for a second.

I'm afraid I cannot agree with you there, old bean.  There are 535 politicians in the Legislative branch, and I can trust maybe five.  The rest would flip on Trump in a heartbeat if their cocktail party invites were in the balance.   :shrug:
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2019, 01:50:57 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 26, 2019, 01:49:04 am
I'm afraid I cannot agree with you there, old bean.  There are 535 politicians in the Legislative branch, and I can trust maybe five.  The rest would flip on Trump in a heartbeat if their cocktail party invites were in the balance.   :shrug:

I'm cynical but not quite that cynical.  Not yet anyway.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2019, 01:56:39 am »
Quote from: Bigun on July 26, 2019, 01:50:57 am
I'm cynical but not quite that cynical.  Not yet anyway.

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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2019, 02:06:32 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 26, 2019, 01:49:04 am
I'm afraid I cannot agree with you there, old bean.  There are 535 politicians in the Legislative branch, and I can trust maybe five.  The rest would flip on Trump in a heartbeat if their cocktail party invites were in the balance.   :shrug:

You are slightly more cynical than I am....  I always say you can count them on two hands....  you only need one hand!!
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2019, 02:16:44 am »
Quote from: EdJames on July 26, 2019, 02:06:32 am
You are slightly more cynical than I am....  I always say you can count them on two hands....  you only need one hand!!

I can count them on one hand, and still have a finger left over for the rest.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2019, 02:25:42 am »
Quote from: EdJames on July 26, 2019, 02:06:32 am
You are slightly more cynical than I am....  I always say you can count them on two hands....  you only need one hand!!

That's why I say five.  I need that other hand for...other things. :cool:
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2019, 08:20:56 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 26, 2019, 12:40:31 am
That's right... Right before our eyes.
About 20 yeears ago I noticed that folks were choosing sides, or at least that became more obvious to me. When Obama was elected, I didn't need to see the poll results, I just felt that something was seriously wrong. Make of that what you will, but it really hasn't been 'right' or felt that way since. This nation is on a bad road, no matter how pretty the view out the window.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2019, 01:24:25 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2019, 08:20:56 am
About 20 yeears ago I noticed that folks were choosing sides, or at least that became more obvious to me. When Obama was elected, I didn't need to see the poll results, I just felt that something was seriously wrong. Make of that what you will, but it really hasn't been 'right' or felt that way since. This nation is on a bad road, no matter how pretty the view out the window.

In my lifetime the downward plunge started with the assassination of JFK and think what you will, Lee Harvey Oswald was just what he said he was.  A patsy.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2019, 03:06:28 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 26, 2019, 08:20:56 am
About 20 yeears ago I noticed that folks were choosing sides, or at least that became more obvious to me. When Obama was elected, I didn't need to see the poll results, I just felt that something was seriously wrong. Make of that what you will, but it really hasn't been 'right' or felt that way since. This nation is on a bad road, no matter how pretty the view out the window.

Yeah, I get it. Bad Moon Rising. I've had it on my skin long before Obummer...
I have smelled it in the air a long time.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2019, 04:53:59 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 26, 2019, 01:30:14 am
If he did that he would surely be impeached, and he would not get a third of the Senate to stand with him.

Absolutely true.  And I suspect that some of those anti-Trump Republicans/conservatives who are urging him to do so know that's exactly what would happen.  They'd urge him to defy the courts, and then support impeachment and conviction if he actually did.

More importantly, some folks are forgetting that it isn't Trump himself who would have to act in defiance of a judge's order.  It would be ordinary, rank and file federal employees who would have to execute those Trump's instructions and defy a court order.  And I think a lot of them would refuse to do that simply because they were scared.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #66 on: July 27, 2019, 12:26:40 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on July 25, 2019, 03:58:02 pm
Looks like they think their jurisdiction is anything federal, i.e. anything.  But, apparently they all feel that they each can rule on everything regardless of how another federal judge has ruled.
Which means that all one has to do is go shopping around for a judge who will counter rule against ANY other judge.

Think about it.  There are 673 federal district judges out there.  672 of them could offer an opinion that is similar.  But the very last one could rule against the other 672 and his would be the final authority.  And that is nationwide.

If that is not idiotic law decisions by judicial, I do not know what is.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2019, 12:34:08 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 26, 2019, 01:30:14 am
If he did that he would surely be impeached, and he would not get a third of the Senate to stand with him.
Why would you believe that part?

A federal judge which attempts to impose a nationalwide edict or who declares he has the authority to control our Commander in Chief in matters related to national security or defense is clearly operating outside Constitutional authority. Since ignoring those rulings would not be unconstitutional, what ground swould there be on removal from office?
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #68 on: July 27, 2019, 08:08:55 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on July 26, 2019, 03:06:28 pm
Yeah, I get it. Bad Moon Rising. I've had it on my skin long before Obummer...
I have smelled it in the air a long time.
Oh, yeah, I sensed it before then. I didn't buy into the whole hippy drug scene, and a lot of what went with it. It's just that when that election went down, which I had figured Hillary to be the Dem contender (evil enough, that), something/one displaced her. Whoa. It's like realizing there is another layer to that, and since I have realized there are more beyond them.
@Bigun
As far as Oswald went, yeah, I think he was a patsy, too, and frankly, I think Tim McVeigh was, too--or at least a fall guy, but not the mastermind--as have been many others, usually dead at the scene.

Those strings are being pulled at a different level.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #69 on: July 27, 2019, 08:10:04 am »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on July 27, 2019, 12:34:08 am
Why would you believe that part?

A federal judge which attempts to impose a nationalwide edict or who declares he has the authority to control our Commander in Chief in matters related to national security or defense is clearly operating outside Constitutional authority. Since ignoring those rulings would not be unconstitutional, what ground swould there be on removal from office?
Oh, like the one who ruled Alabama had to go against its State Constitution? (Circuit Court judge)
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #70 on: July 27, 2019, 12:07:56 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on July 27, 2019, 12:34:08 am
Why would you believe that part?

A federal judge which attempts to impose a nationalwide edict or who declares he has the authority to control our Commander in Chief in matters related to national security or defense is clearly operating outside Constitutional authority. Since ignoring those rulings would not be unconstitutional, what ground swould there be on removal from office?

Hardly. 
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #71 on: July 27, 2019, 01:13:10 pm »
Quote from: Bill Cipher on July 27, 2019, 12:07:56 pm
Hardly.
Good, you are with me that ignoring the court is hardly a case of unconstitutional behavior.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #72 on: July 27, 2019, 02:18:41 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on July 27, 2019, 12:34:08 am
Why would you believe that part?

A federal judge which attempts to impose a nationalwide edict or who declares he has the authority to control our Commander in Chief in matters related to national security or defense is clearly operating outside Constitutional authority. Since ignoring those rulings would not be unconstitutional, what ground swould there be on removal from office?

There are enough LIVs who don't have our knowledge of the Constitution who believe he will have violated it by ignoring the Judges.  The Rats will find demagoging the issue easy pickings, and that would be enough to pressure the Senate into convicting.  Bye, bye President Trump, hello a new round of trying to jail him.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2019, 10:13:04 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on July 27, 2019, 02:18:41 pm
There are enough LIVs who don't have our knowledge of the Constitution who believe he will have violated it by ignoring the Judges.  The Rats will find demagoging the issue easy pickings, and that would be enough to pressure the Senate into convicting.  Bye, bye President Trump, hello a new round of trying to jail him.
Right, those are partisan political grounds only, nothing to do with what the Constitution dictates.
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Re: Federal court blocks Trump asylum rules hours after judge ruled to keep restrictions in place
« Reply #74 on: July 27, 2019, 10:27:19 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on July 27, 2019, 10:13:04 pm
Right, those are partisan political grounds only, nothing to do with what the Constitution dictates.

Precisely. 
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