Can a serious Democrat please run for president?

[Jazzhead]

So Democrats are now publicly spouting divisive garbage because of Trump.  All they needed was an excuse to show us all how they have really felt all along.

Bingo.  This goes back to the "bitter clingers" comment of Obama, and the "deplorables" comment of Hillary.  Even John Kerry's condescending/insulting "I'm gonna get me a hunting license."  They've thought this about most of the rest of us for a very long time, but they were usually savvy enough to keep it under wraps because of the potential that it could backfire.  But Trump baits them into revealing those sentiments publicly, and the result is that voters get a better glimpse of who the other side really is.

I understand what you're saying,  but most voters aren't politicos.    We were doing just fine for a few days there with Pelosi and the Squad fightin' like cats.   Now the narrative isn't the Dems flirting with extremism but Trump channeling Archie Bunker.   I'd say the Dems have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

[rustynail]

 If you don't love it, leave it:   
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIxBmyRQlwQ

[aligncare]

Preferably a non-media poll.  Media polls are not designed to measure, they are designed to influence.  The days of the Press being a neutral observer are long gone.

Agree. In fact, I cannot any longer dismiss the crazy notion floating around that a civil war is brewing. Right now, it’s cold. But could war ignite upon some unforeseen and troubling turn of events? I truly do not know the answer to that.

[Cyber Liberty]

Agree. In fact, I cannot any longer dismiss the crazy notion floating around that a civil war is brewing. Right now, it’s cold. But could war ignite upon some unforeseen and troubling turn of events? I truly do not know the answer to that.

It will be when the Normals start beating the crap out of the Press's precious "anti-fascists" in the streets.  "Objects in Mirror are Closer Than They Appear."

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I agree that's the issue.   But why cannot Trump (and other Republicans)  expose their radicalism without handing the Dems and their media a weapon to portray Trump (and by extension Republicans) as racist?     The narrative this morning is that Republicans, by not "speaking out" against Trump's tweets, are endorsing his racism.    If there's any discussion of the Squad's radicalism, I'm not hearing it.  All I'm hearing is outrage over Trump's racist trope and these four poor victims.    The above-the-fold feature in this morning's Philly Inquirer, for example, consists of interviews with immigrants who lament the times they've been heckled to "go home".   

The media is going to have a field day tying Republicans to Trump's love-it-or-leave-it screed.    The message that the Dems are embracing truly dangerous ideas is being lost in the media dogpile on Trump's Archie Bunker imitation.   

The media will not report/focus on statements made by Democrats that they believe would offend or concern voters.  They'll just bury them.  That's exactly what happened before Trump made his comments -- they just buried the statements made by Omar, Pressley, etc..

But while the press narrative will never favor Trump, the more attention that gets drawn to that issue overall, the more likely people are to start finding out exactly what it was those women said that so pissed off Trump.  And my guess is that the contents of their statements is much more likely to piss off swing voters than what Trump said.

[Jazzhead]

  And my guess is that the contents of their statements is much more likely to piss off swing voters than what Trump said.

And I think your guess is wrong.   The Dems use tweets like this to brand Trump (and by extension, Republicans) as toxic.    Lindsay Graham is right - the President needs to aim higher.   The WSJ is right - the President's tweets foolishly gave the Dems a gift.   

[skeeter]

I understand what you're saying,  but most voters aren't politicos.    We were doing just fine for a few days there with Pelosi and the Squad fightin' like cats.   Now the narrative isn't the Dems flirting with extremism but Trump channeling Archie Bunker.   I'd say the Dems have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Trump isn't a brain surgeon, but he knows how to brand. Its how he has done business since the 70s.

And its a game the left has been playing for decades while the GOP has been finger-in-the-nose oblivious. And have been having their ass handed to them by the rats time after time because of.

Thats what he's doing here - branding. And it will work, I will bet you my Roth IRA.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I understand what you're saying,  but most voters aren't politicos.    We were doing just fine for a few days there with Pelosi and the Squad fightin' like cats.

I don't think Nancy Pelosi being able to portray herself as moderate equals the GOP "doing fine". 

Now the narrative isn't the Dems flirting with extremism but Trump channeling Archie Bunker.   I'd say the Dems have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat.

Pelosi was starting to do a decent job of distancing the Democrats from those extremists -- it risked becoming a "Sister Souljah" moment and creating the false impression that Pelosi herself isn't a nutbag leftist.  Those four could have become the sacrificial lambs that let the rest of the party look more appealing to moderates.  To me, that's how it looked like things were going before Trump spoke up.

Trump has now much more securely bound the Democrats to those four, and when the campaign rolls around and the ads quoting the Squad start showing up on TV and YouTube...there's going to be more than a few people agreeing with Trump's sentiment.

[Hoodat]

Pelosi was starting to do a decent job of distancing the Democrats from those extremists -- it risked becoming a "Sister Souljah" moment and creating the false impression that Pelosi herself isn't a nutbag leftist.  Those four could have become the sacrificial lambs that let the rest of the party look more appealing to moderates.  To me, that's how it looked like things were going before Trump spoke up.

Trump has now much more securely bound the Democrats to those four, and when the campaign rolls around and the ads quoting the Squad start showing up on TV and YouTube...there's going to be more than a few people agreeing with Trump's sentiment.

Correctamundo!  Three days ago, Pelosi was the poster child of sanity in the Democrat Party, a contrast against the four wackos.  Now she can only stand by and nod her head giving silent support to this train wreck. 

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't think Nancy Pelosi being able to portray herself as moderate equals the GOP "doing fine". 

Pelosi was starting to do a decent job of distancing the Democrats from those extremists -- it risked becoming a "Sister Souljah" moment and creating the false impression that Pelosi herself isn't a nutbag leftist.  Those four could have become the sacrificial lambs that let the rest of the party look more appealing to moderates.  To me, that's how it looked like things were going before Trump spoke up.

Trump has now much more securely bound the Democrats to those four, and when the campaign rolls around and the ads quoting the Squad start showing up on TV and YouTube...there's going to be more than a few people agreeing with Trump's sentiment.

It's telling the donkey-faced bartender has 77% name recognition, but 19% approval (I saw that on TeeBee last night...Carlson I think).  It tells me Trump could be on the right track here. If he can tie all the Rats to her and her gang he's miles ahead of where the Enemedia wants him to be.

[rustynail]

Correctamundo!  Three days ago, Pelosi was the poster child of sanity in the Democrat Party, a contrast against the four wackos.  Now she can only stand by and nod her head giving silent support to this train wreck. 

My thinking also.

[jafo2010]

People here underestimating Trump's savvy at forming the theater for the issues are doomed to defeat, just like Clinton.  In the 2016 election, Trump brilliantly defined the issues that the election evolved around.  He is doing it again.

He is elevating the Anarchist Four to be the leaders and heart of the Democommie Party, and Pelosi is trying to reign them in with not much luck.  If he is successful with establishing the playing field, the entire Dem field will be perceived as anarchists, communists, etc and the vast majority of thinking Americans will not vote for these slugs.

Sadly, the media are key players in this drama, and I think we have witnessed three years of Trump playing the media like a violin.  The media is radically biased, and Trump is using this bias.  Again, I say his strategy is brilliant.  Through the years, we have heard multiple presidents complain about the bias of the media, but Trump with his FAKE NEWS sentiment has in fact convinced many in America the media is not to be trusted, and that lack of trust is also reflected in polls.

I spent a number of years working in the media, and their polls are NOT to be trusted. And for folks that want to reference operations like Pew Research etc for polls, who do you think funds Pew heavily?  Well, if you guessed George Soros, you would be correct.  There are so many wealthy folks like Soros using large sums of money to influence you the voter.  Their influence did not work last time, and I doubt it will work this time either.  The American people are tired of being betrayed, and politicians, the media, and others have betrayed the American people for many decades.

The American taxpayer is tired of seeing undeserving people get things handed to them that they have to work hard for.  Trump promised to take care of Americans first.  THAT RESONATES!  All the nonsense that the clown car is running around spouting off just does not resonate!!!!  It doesn't.  Reparations are attractive to a small number, and there is a far greater number that are exercised by the notion, including people from all demographics.

The only person that stands a chance against Trump in 2020 is Clinton.  The members of the present clown car go no where fast!

[sneakypete]

His polls show him getting his ass whipped.

@Jazzhead

Someone harsh your buzz?

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

Someone harsh your buzz?

No, not buzzed at all.   I'm clear-eyed and sober,  and see the future in stark relief -  if Trump if the GOP nominee,  he will not be re-elected, and the Senate will likely be gone too. 

There is nothing more important right now than to avoid that terrible result.   

[Cyber Liberty]

No, not buzzed at all.   I'm clear-eyed and sober,  and see the future in stark relief -  if Trump if the GOP nominee,  he will not be re-elected, and the Senate will likely be gone too. 

There is nothing more important right now than to avoid that terrible result.   

That's your opinion.  Some share it, some don't, and the sun still rose in the East.  It makes the TBR world go 'round.

[goatprairie]

On this latest uproar there are two groups of people on Trump's side...the devoted followers who love everything he says, and the people who will vote for him, like me, because there is absolutely no chance of voting for the current assemblage of anti-American, anti-capitalist, socialist scum vying for the Dem nomination.
Many of us in the second group despise the Dem congress critters in question, and in reality most of the rest of the Dem Party members. But we especially hate anti-Americans of whatever color. Personally, I'd like to add a few more things about the Dem scum.
Nevertheless, the worry is that not enough Americans will understand that while ill-considered, Trump's comments were nowhere near racist. The media just considers any criticism of liberal minorities as racist. That rule doesn't hold true for conservative minorities.
But again, many people in the middle third i.e. moderates might not see it that way. Many of those people don't follow politics closely and simply respond to whatever garbage is printed or aired by the lib media. A president spouting off like Trump is not deemed appropriate by many Americans who might vote for a more even-tempered president.
Some people say polls don't matter. I hope to hell they're right in Nov. 2020.

[Bigun]

No, not buzzed at all.   I'm clear-eyed and sober,  and see the future in stark relief -  if Trump if the GOP nominee,  he will not be re-elected, and the Senate will likely be gone too. 

There is nothing more important right now than to avoid that terrible result.   

How much money would you like to wager on that?

The Trump Steamroller

[Bigun]

On this latest uproar there are two groups of people on Trump's side...the devoted followers who love everything he says, and the people who will vote for him, like me, because there is absolutely no chance of voting for the current assemblage of anti-American, anti-capitalist, socialist scum vying for the Dem nomination.
Many of us in the second group despise the Dem congress critters in question, and in reality most of the rest of the Dem Party members. But we especially hate anti-Americans of whatever color. Personally, I'd like to add a few more things about the Dem scum.
Nevertheless, the worry is that not enough Americans will understand that while ill-considered, Trump's comments were nowhere near racist. The media just considers any criticism of liberal minorities as racist. That rule doesn't hold true for conservative minorities.
But again, many people in the middle third i.e. moderates might not see it that way. Many of those people don't follow politics closely and simply respond to whatever garbage is printed or aired by the lib media. A president spouting off like Trump is not deemed appropriate by many Americans who might vote for a more even-tempered president.
Some people say polls don't matter. I hope to hell they're right in Nov. 2020.

 

[catfish1957]

I have a SCV key chain that I occasionally have on me.  (Sons of Confederate Veterans, thugh not have not joined yet.)

I've had about a half dozen people through the past ask if I was a racist, or supported racist causes.....

I then remind them of who one of the greatest living SCV members is.   H.K. Edgerton.  This guy is like a hero to me.

[catfish1957]

I know time is precious, but if you have an interest in southern heritage, and HK, this is such hard hitting 15 minutes worth watching

God Bless HK.



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[Bigun]

I know time is precious, but if you have an interest in southern heritage, and HK, this is such hard hitting 15 minutes worth watching

God Bless HK.



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[Maj. Bill Martin]

On this latest uproar there are two groups of people on Trump's side...the devoted followers who love everything he says, and the people who will vote for him, like me, because there is absolutely no chance of voting for the current assemblage of anti-American, anti-capitalist, socialist scum vying for the Dem nomination.
Many of us in the second group despise the Dem congress critters in question, and in reality most of the rest of the Dem Party members. But we especially hate anti-Americans of whatever color. Personally, I'd like to add a few more things about the Dem scum.
Nevertheless, the worry is that not enough Americans will understand that while ill-considered, Trump's comments were nowhere near racist. The media just considers any criticism of liberal minorities as racist. That rule doesn't hold true for conservative minorities.
But again, many people in the middle third i.e. moderates might not see it that way. Many of those people don't follow politics closely and simply respond to whatever garbage is printed or aired by the lib media. A president spouting off like Trump is not deemed appropriate by many Americans who might vote for a more even-tempered president.
Some people say polls don't matter. I hope to hell they're right in Nov. 2020.

All good points.

The reality is that the die is cast at this point.  Trump is going to be the nominee.  So the question for each of us is what we believe to be the best course to help the GOP hold/gain as many seats in Congress as possible, whether or not we prefer Trump to the alternative and if so, what we can do to maximize the chances that the Dem nominee does not win the general election

[Jazzhead]

How much money would you like to wager on that?

I am not unwilling to wager,  except that the last thing I want to do is win the bet.   

[Jazzhead]

All good points.

The reality is that the die is cast at this point.  Trump is going to be the nominee.  So the question for each of us is what we believe to be the best course to help the GOP hold/gain as many seats in Congress as possible, whether or not we prefer Trump to the alternative and if so, what we can do to maximize the chances that the Dem nominee does not win the general election

It is not even August yet, and more than a year before the election.   The die is not cast.   

[roamer_1]

All good points.

The reality is that the die is cast at this point.  Trump is going to be the nominee.  So the question for each of us is what we believe to be the best course to help the GOP hold/gain as many seats in Congress as possible, whether or not we prefer Trump to the alternative and if so, what we can do to maximize the chances that the Dem nominee does not win the general election

Why?