GOP Rep. Chip Roy urges President Trump to go nuclear and defy the courts

[Bigun]

Then there is a appeal process. Call me old fashion I rather have the President do things the Constitutional way.

YOU need to read some history!

[libertybele]

Then there is a appeal process. Call me old fashion I rather have the President do things the Constitutional way.

According to the Constitution the President's duty is to defend this country and its citizens.  The invasion and those here illegally are breaking OUR laws and assaulting the citizens of this country.  So how is it, that the President doing his job is going against the Constitution.

Further, I don't know of ANY country, other than the U.S. who would allow an invasion of this proportion to continue without defending its border and its citizens.  That's just plain common sense.

Any judge who will not allow our President to secure and defend our borders IS going against the Constitution!

[Fishrrman]

kevin wrote:
"I imagine there would be outrage here is a Dem would defy the courts."

Wait until they get back in power again.
Then watch what happens o'er the next twenty years.

[Chosen Daughter]

According to the Constitution the President's duty is to defend this country and its citizens.  The invasion and those here illegally are breaking OUR laws and assaulting the citizens of this country.  So how is it, that the President doing his job is going against the Constitution.

Further, I don't know of ANY country, other than the U.S. who would allow an invasion of this proportion to continue without defending its border and its citizens.  That's just plain common sense.

Any judge who will not allow our President to secure and defend our borders IS going against the Constitution!

I don't know what law these judges are making their rulings by.  Maybe their are like Buttigieg going to Mexico but our Constitution says these rogue judges are undermining our Constitution.


Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion ; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution ...
www.immivasion.us/art4sect4/art4sect4.html

[Sighlass]

Could of / Should of ... put some real conservatives on the SCOTUS... but NOooo, we had to have squishy...

Everyone cheered the squishy... except a few of us.

[Chosen Daughter]

Could of / Should of ... put some real conservatives on the SCOTUS... but NOooo, we had to have squishy...

Everyone cheered the squishy... except a few of us.

I didn't think either of them was great.  And of course with Kavanagh it was all a circus of investigation.  Instead of whether he could do a good job it was all about the sex scandal.  Of course everyone would want to defend him, but aside from that was he a good judge?

[Hoodat]

Defy the court?  Why not simply lock up every single person entering this country illegally?  The President already has the legal authority to do exactly that.  And there isn't a single judge who has ruled otherwise.  And if anyone gets tired of being incarcerated while waiting for their asylum hearing, then they can speak up and be escorted back across the border.  And if they enter illegally again, they should be prosecuted since they will have then committed a crime while their asylum case is pending.

[Chosen Daughter]

Defy the court?  Why not simply lock up every single person entering this country illegally?  The President already has the legal authority to do exactly that.  And there isn't a single judge who has ruled otherwise.  And if anyone gets tired of being incarcerated while waiting for their asylum hearing, then they can speak up and be escorted back across the border.  And if they enter illegally again, they should be prosecuted since they will have then committed a crime while their asylum case is pending.

Exactly.  I can't imagine anyone wanting to stay in a Concentration Camp.  That is the reference I heard today about the facilities.  Could you imagine anyone in Kim Jung Uns camp who would rather stay than go home?  How about a Nazi camp?  Any Concentration camp in History?  Go home if its so bad.


I am fairly certain that you are right.  Trump has the Constitutional authority to stop the madness.  And what exactly was that 4.5 billion for?

[Free Vulcan]

At the very least, the President needs to say that injuctions will only be honored in the district where they were issued. No nationwide injunctions will be honored except if they are from SCOTUS.

[Jazzhead]

Then there is a appeal process. Call me old fashion I rather have the President do things the Constitutional way.

I agree.   Respect for the rule of law is essential to the functioning of a Constitutional republic.   

[Bigun]

I agree.   Respect for the rule of law is essential to the functioning of a Constitutional republic.   

This from our friend @HoustonSam yesterday: 

The legal profession itself has done more to create contempt for law than any criminal conspiracy or gang of common thieves.  They have created, and they maintain, a priesthood which asserts the right to redefine common language in order to distort ordered liberty among a (formerly) free people.

When appointed oracles must be consulted to determine the meaning of words which are, in other contexts, inarguably clear, the days of the republic are numbered.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,367067.msg2002065.html#msg2002065

I agree with him 100%.

[Hoodat]

I agree.   Respect for the rule of law is essential to the functioning of a Constitutional republic.   

Except of course when it comes to the Tenth Amendment.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Then there is a appeal process. Call me old fashion I rather have the President do things the Constitutional way

The constitutional way is to adhere to the Constitution, which does not permit a single federal judge to decide what the Executive branch may do.  The President does not take orders from a judge.

[edpc]

Defy the court?  Why not simply lock up every single person entering this country illegally?  The President already has the legal authority to do exactly that.  And there isn't a single judge who has ruled otherwise.  And if anyone gets tired of being incarcerated while waiting for their asylum hearing, then they can speak up and be escorted back across the border.  And if they enter illegally again, they should be prosecuted since they will have then committed a crime while their asylum case is pending.

Court defiance is not even necessary. All he has to do is declare martial law in a zone at the border. In a true national emergency, in the face of an invasion, it would be necessary and constitutional.

[Smokin Joe]

I cannot wait to see you explain why the chief executive officer of the United States telling some rouge, unelected, judges to mind their own damned business would be "lawless".

Especially when the president is trying to enforce the law. It is the courts which are defying the rule of law.

[Rivergirl]

Notice  how a Court or a Judge is declared rogue when a certain party disagrees with the decree.
We have a president already on the edge of anarchy, how far are his cultists willing to go?

[EdJames]

Notice  how a Court or a Judge is declared rogue when a certain party disagrees with the decree.
We have a president already on the edge of anarchy, how far are his cultists willing to go?

[Bigun]

Notice  how a Court or a Judge is declared rogue when a certain party disagrees with the decree.
We have a president already on the edge of anarchy, how far are his cultists willing to go?

 

[Hoodat]

Notice  how a Court or a Judge is declared rogue when a certain party disagrees with the decree.

A court or judge goes rogue when they choose to ignore the laws as written and instead dictate their own laws.

We have a president already on the edge of anarchy, how far are his cultists willing to go?

I don't see it that way at all.  I see a President afraid to operate at the periphery of the law and his cultists making excuses for his failure to act.

Here is what the law says:

• Anyone applying for asylum at an entry point can be denied entry until their asylum case is heard.
  
  
• Anyone applying for asylum after illegally entering the country can be detained/incarcerated until their asylum case is heard.
  
  
• There is no provision for bond in the preceding case, nor is there one requiring they remain in the US.  If one does not want to remain in US detention, one can volunteer to leave the US and wait there for their asylum case to be heard.
  
  
• If a person illegally enters the country applies for asylum and that asylum is rejected, that person is in violation of US law punishable by six months in prison, and afterwards, deportation.
  
  
• If a person re-enters the country after being deported, that person is in violation of a felony under US law punishable by two years in prison.
  

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Notice  how a Court or a Judge is declared rogue when a certain party disagrees with the decree.
We have a president already on the edge of anarchy, how far are his cultists willing to go?

With your handle, you appear way down a river on that one.

can you please cite where in the Constitution it is permitted that a single federal judge can dictate what the entire Executive branch needs to do to defend this country and enforce its laws?

[Chosen Daughter]

Defy the court?  Why not simply lock up every single person entering this country illegally?  The President already has the legal authority to do exactly that.  And there isn't a single judge who has ruled otherwise.  And if anyone gets tired of being incarcerated while waiting for their asylum hearing, then they can speak up and be escorted back across the border.  And if they enter illegally again, they should be prosecuted since they will have then committed a crime while their asylum case is pending.

Strongly agree!

[Chosen Daughter]

A court or judge goes rogue when they choose to ignore the laws as written and instead dictate their own laws.


I don't see it that way at all.  I see a President afraid to operate at the periphery of the law and his cultists making excuses for his failure to act.

Here is what the law says:

• Anyone applying for asylum at an entry point can be denied entry until their asylum case is heard.
  
  
• Anyone applying for asylum after illegally entering the country can be detained/incarcerated until their asylum case is heard.
  
  
• There is no provision for bond in the preceding case, nor is there one requiring they remain in the US.  If one does not want to remain in US detention, one can volunteer to leave the US and wait there for their asylum case to be heard.
  
  
• If a person illegally enters the country applies for asylum and that asylum is rejected, that person is in violation of US law punishable by six months in prison, and afterwards, deportation.
  
  
• If a person re-enters the country after being deported, that person is in violation of a felony under US law punishable by two years in prison.
  

Wholeheartedly agree!

[EdJames]

Wholeheartedly agree!

Most certainly agree!!

[Wingnut]

With your handle, you appear way down a river on that one.

She lives in a van down by the river!

[Bill Cipher]

Defy the court?  Why not simply lock up every single person entering this country illegally?  The President already has the legal authority to do exactly that.  And there isn't a single judge who has ruled otherwise.  And if anyone gets tired of being incarcerated while waiting for their asylum hearing, then they can speak up and be escorted back across the border.  And if they enter illegally again, they should be prosecuted since they will have then committed a crime while their asylum case is pending.

Then why hasn’t he?  Perhaps because he’s just playing his supporters for fools, once again (one would think that being played for a fool would get old after awhile; Trump supporters gainsay that).