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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #150 on: June 07, 2019, 07:48:50 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on June 07, 2019, 07:45:14 pm
Most of those laws have little effect because they are largely ignored by everyone and especially so with the lawless element who don't give one hoot in hell what the law does or doesn't say.

The last thing CA, NY etc want is for their infringements to be tested by SCOTUS. Not yet at least.

THATS how much confidence they have that their ‘reasonable regulations’ can pass constitutional muster.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #151 on: June 07, 2019, 07:51:47 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 07:48:50 pm
The last thing CA, NY etc want is for their infringements to be tested by SCOTUS. Not yet at least.

THATS how much confidence they have that their ‘reasonable regulations’ can pass constitutional muster.
That has to be challenged on the Federal level. Neither State has a RKBA written in their State Constitution (two of the six who don't).

If the Federal RKBA isn't enough, then Roe should not apply to the States, either.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #152 on: June 07, 2019, 07:53:29 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 07:48:50 pm
The last thing CA, NY etc want is for their infringements to be tested by SCOTUS. Not yet at least.

THATS how much confidence they have that their ‘reasonable regulations’ can pass constitutional muster.

It's also why NYC has tried to back out of their impending date with the SCOTUS by changing their restrictions on gun owners by forcing them to keep guns within the city limits.

They know they're gonna get spanked over it at the federal level.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #153 on: June 07, 2019, 07:57:54 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 07, 2019, 07:51:47 pm
That has to be challenged on the Federal level. Neither State has a RKBA written in their State Constitution (two of the six who don't).

If the Federal RKBA isn't enough, then Roe should not apply to the States, either.
I do not see how anyone could interpret the constitution as not applying RKBA to all states.

Conversely I do not see how anyone can find the specific right to an abortion as an accessory to some nebulous right to privacy.

But then I’m not a student of the law. I just happen to be conversant in English.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #154 on: June 07, 2019, 08:00:42 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 07:57:54 pm
I do not see how anyone could interpret the constitution as not applying RKBA to all states.

Conversely I do not see how anyone can find the specific right to an abortion as an accessory to some nebulous right to privacy.

But then I’m not a student of the law. I just happen to be conversant in English.

You can't see it because you don't think like your average Liberal.

You're smarter than that.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #155 on: June 07, 2019, 08:01:22 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 07, 2019, 07:51:47 pm
That has to be challenged on the Federal level. Neither State has a RKBA written in their State Constitution (two of the six who don't).

If the Federal RKBA isn't enough, then Roe should not apply to the States, either.

If I recall your list correctly, HI has RKBA has it in their Constitution but they pull the same crap as CA, using their "reasonable" registration lists to justify seizing the weapons of people who foolishly got Medical Marijuana cards.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #156 on: June 07, 2019, 08:03:00 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 07:57:54 pm
I do not see how anyone could interpret the constitution as not applying RKBA to all states.

Conversely I do not see how anyone can find the specific right to an abortion as an accessory to some nebulous right to privacy.

But then I’m not a student of the law. I just happen to be conversant in English.
I completely agree on both counts. However, the Liberals risk a rhetorical trap. Even the contortions of the legal profession cannot permit them to have it both ways.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #157 on: June 07, 2019, 08:05:57 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 07:57:54 pm
I do not see how anyone could interpret the constitution as not applying RKBA to all states.

Conversely I do not see how anyone can find the specific right to an abortion as an accessory to some nebulous right to privacy.

But then I’m not a student of the law. I just happen to be conversant in English.

Welcome to the Imbecile Club, bro!   :beer:

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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #158 on: June 07, 2019, 08:08:13 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 07, 2019, 08:03:00 pm
I completely agree on both counts. However, the Liberals risk a rhetorical trap. Even the contortions of the legal profession cannot permit them to have it both ways.

It's not a trap if they don't step in it.  They'll just call you too stupid to grasp what they call "the law," or simply call you paranoid while ignoring the blindingly obvious.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #159 on: June 07, 2019, 08:11:04 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 07, 2019, 08:05:57 pm
Welcome to the Imbecile Club, bro!   :beer:

We have meetings every day at...um...I forgot.  Maybe I never knew the time and place because of all that tinfoil wrapped around my head.  333cleo

Well when you remember let me know. I’ll bring the nachos and wine coolers.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #160 on: June 07, 2019, 08:15:14 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on June 07, 2019, 08:11:04 pm
Well when you remember let me know. I’ll bring the nachos and wine coolers.

Oh!  I remember!  My private bar at the Castle, 5PM.  I have the salsa and beer keg, along with more liquor than I know what to do with.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #161 on: June 07, 2019, 08:16:44 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 07, 2019, 08:01:22 pm
If I recall your list correctly, HI has RKBA has it in their Constitution but they pull the same crap as CA, using their "reasonable" registration lists to justify seizing the weapons of people who foolishly got Medical Marijuana cards.
One of the specific proscriptions on the Form 4473 is "have you ever been a user of or addicted to marijuana...", among other drugs. Someone played 'rope a dope' in HI.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #162 on: June 07, 2019, 08:19:33 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 07, 2019, 08:16:44 pm
One of the specific proscriptions on the Form 4473 is "have you ever been a user of or addicted to marijuana...", among other drugs. Someone played 'rope a dope' in HI.

They are also using a Federal form to justify their State actions.  The Feds can stop that whenever they want to.  And, yeah, you got the "dope" part correct.  One would have to be a major-league dunce to apply for a MM card when one has registered firearms in the house.  The black market for weed has existed for much longer than my lifetime.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #163 on: June 07, 2019, 08:20:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on June 07, 2019, 08:19:33 pm
They are also using a Federal form to justify their State actions.  And, yeah, you got the "dope" part correct.  One would have to be a major-league dunce to apply for a MM card when one has registered firearms in the house.  The black market for weed has existed for much longer than my lifetime.
Firearms, too....
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #164 on: June 07, 2019, 08:48:01 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on June 07, 2019, 08:16:44 pm
One of the specific proscriptions on the Form 4473 is "have you ever been a user of or addicted to marijuana...", among other drugs. Someone played 'rope a dope' in HI.

I thought the question was worded: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana..."

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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #165 on: June 07, 2019, 09:48:01 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on June 07, 2019, 08:48:01 pm
I thought the question was worded: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana..."

Correct.  Line 11, question e.

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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #166 on: June 07, 2019, 11:23:14 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on June 07, 2019, 08:48:01 pm
I thought the question was worded: "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana..."
I stand corrected. It's still rope a dope.
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Re: It’s Time For The Supreme Court To Make States Stop Ignoring The Second Amendment
« Reply #167 on: June 07, 2019, 11:45:28 pm »
If it was the way you worded it, then if one ever took a drag off a joint then he would be forever forbidden from purchasing a firearm.
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« Reply #168 on: June 07, 2019, 11:47:00 pm »
Quote from: Elderberry on June 07, 2019, 11:45:28 pm
If it was the way you worded it, then if one ever took a drag off a joint then he would be forever forbidden from purchasing a firearm.
True enough.
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