Beto O'Rourke emerges as the most electable Democrat in poll that shows he would beat Trump by 10 po

[cato potatoe]

Reelection seems unlikely, but Trump can help himself by getting the Dems as much airtime as possible.  People only like Biden because they aren't sick of him yet.

[austingirl]

Listening to Andrew Wilkow today. He said he can't find a reason NOT to vote for Trump in 2020. I agree.

[aligncare]

Listening to Andrew Wilkow today. He said he can't find a reason NOT to vote for Trump in 2020. I agree.

Me too! I like the guy.  He’s hard working, smart (despite his use of English as a second language), got nerves of steel, can take a punch and pummel back, he’s a winner...and, he agrees with me on core American principles. What’s not to like!?

[Wingnut]

When we were kids, everyone admired the champions, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Up until the Millennial's, Americans always loved a winner and did not tolerate a loser. Americans played to win all the time.  But today, not so much. Losers are everywhere and celebrated for their weakness if they are "articulate".   Sad state of affairs.  Today we’re witnessing the abandonment and rejection of everything that made this country great, its culture, its history, and its heritage. 

[rustynail]

When we were kids, everyone admired the champions, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players and the toughest boxers. Up until the Millennial's, Americans always loved a winner and did not tolerate a loser. Americans played to win all the time.  But today, not so much. Losers are everywhere and celebrated for their weakness if they are "articulate".   Sad state of affairs.  Today we’re witnessing the abandonment and rejection of everything that made this country great, its culture, its history, and its heritage. 

"When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse."

[dfwgator]

Reelection seems unlikely, but Trump can help himself by getting the Dems as much airtime as possible.  People only like Biden because they aren't sick of him yet.

Who can beat Trump?   As soon as the light shines on any of these Democrats they will wilt.  It's not that people love Trump, but they will find he still beats the alternative.

They say that the most popular player on a football team is the backup quarterback.   That is until he actually gets a chance to start and then people realize why he was the backup quarterback.

[skeeter]

Who can beat Trump?   As soon as the light shines on any of these Democrats they will wilt.  It's not that people love Trump, but they will find he still beats the alternative.

They say that the most popular player on a football team is the backup quarterback.   That is until he actually gets a chance to start and then people realize why he was the backup quarterback.

As long as things continue on their current trajectory assertions that the odds for 2020 do not weigh heavily in Trump's favor simply are not credible. Psych-ops, most likely.

He will be a sho-in.

[libertybele]

Polls don't mean squat, especially this far out.   I'm still predicting Beto or Castro as the nominee.  When we start to hear the reactions from the liberal mental midgets after the DEM debates, I think we'll have a much better idea of who Trump is up against.

[dfwgator]

Polls don't mean squat, especially this far out.   I'm still predicting Beto or Castro as the nominee.  When we start to hear the reactions from the liberal mental midgets after the DEM debates, I think we'll have a much better idea of who Trump is up against.

I still say Hillary is waiting in the wings, waiting for all of the clowns to be taken out.

[aligncare]

Polls don't mean squat, especially this far out.   I'm still predicting Beto or Castro as the nominee.  When we start to hear the reactions from the liberal mental midgets after the DEM debates, I think we'll have a much better idea of who Trump is up against.

What issues can they possibly run on? The low unemployment rate? A growing stock market? Lower trade imbalances? Net energy exportation?

Whoever ends up their nominee, including Beto or Buttigieg, they got nothing they could win on.

[skeeter]

What issues can they possibly run on? The low unemployment rate? A growing stock market? Lower trade imbalances? Net energy exportation?

Whoever ends up their nominee, including Beto or Buttigieg, they got nothing they could win on.

Well there's no more Russian collusion so only the Trump's A Butthole strategy remains.

[Jazzhead]

"When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse."

As long as we're on horse aphorisms, here's another:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

This is what's so frustrating - the evidence of a President presiding over the best of economic times still unable to expand his support beyond his base ought to be a warning sign that disaster is coming.  Still, no one wants to admit it;  we pull down our battle helmets and convince ourselves that it's all just "psy-ops" and Trump will win. 

He's not going to be re-elected, folks.   This disconnect between prosperity and the President's poll numbers is without historical precedent.   Use that information now to change the dynamic (and change the candidate), or keep your blinders on and face the music next November. 

 

[skeeter]

As long as we're on horse aphorisms, here's another:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

This is what's so frustrating - the evidence of a President presiding over the best of economic times still unable to expand his support beyond his base ought to be a warning sign that disaster is coming.  Still, no one wants to admit it;  we pull down our battle helmets and convince ourselves that it's all just "psy-ops" and Trump will win. 

He's not going to be re-elected, folks.   This disconnect between prosperity and the President's poll numbers is without historical precedent.   Use that information now to change the dynamic (and change the candidate), or keep your blinders on and face the music next November. 

 

Perhaps its 'unprecedented' because DC establishment and their monied special interest supporters have spent decades replacing the traditional electorate with a new one more amenable to global socialism?

Your aphorism is perfectly apt to those who still have their heads in the sand about the effect of decades of wholesale immigration paired with the rise of identity politics. Thanks to it, we may truly never be able to elect another non-socialist to national office. Certainly it's been becoming less likely each presidential election since the eighties.

In short, what applies to Trump also applies to every other GOP candidate, thanks to changing collective values.

Yet some folks STILL can't seem to put two and two together.

[aligncare]

Jazz, you seem to forget that “those” that have been telling Trump he’s doing everything all wrong, were in fact smoked by Trump, who simply ignored these admonitions and did things his way anyway. The results are that he continues to win victories and higher approval in measures of presidential success. He’s even growing constituents among traditional democrat groups, including blacks, Latins, blue collar unions, women and Jews. To continue with the analogy, why change horses midstream?

Trump wins it going away.

[dfwgator]

As long as we're on horse aphorisms, here's another:

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

This is what's so frustrating - the evidence of a President presiding over the best of economic times still unable to expand his support beyond his base ought to be a warning sign that disaster is coming.  Still, no one wants to admit it;  we pull down our battle helmets and convince ourselves that it's all just "psy-ops" and Trump will win. 

He's not going to be re-elected, folks.   This disconnect between prosperity and the President's poll numbers is without historical precedent.   Use that information now to change the dynamic (and change the candidate), or keep your blinders on and face the music next November. 

 

It's the new normal.  I really think we are past the point where somebody is going to be able to unite the country,  this division is permanent,  and you are always going to have a President that people either love or hate. 

[Wingnut]

Jazz, remember... It is the difficult horses that have the most to give you.   

[mountaineer]

Polls don't mean squat, especially this far out. 

Amen.

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh Goody!  A poll!   

[Cyber Liberty]

He's not going to be re-elected, folks.  

Noted.

[jafo2010]

I think the detractors on this site for Trump are a bit over the top.  Trump had more detractors when he ran in 2016.  He has converted many of those.  And yes, I am tired of his stick, but he is producing RESULTS, something no Democommie could do and few Republicans.

Can anyone here name one Republican that would stand a chance against him in the primary?  No one comes to mind.  Romney is thinking aboutit, but Trump would bury that fool.

And on the Dems side, who that has announced has a chance?  No one.

I believe the only person on the Dem's side that could stand up to Trump is CLinton, assuming she is not indicted.  She certainly has the money.  BILLIONS!

Herky-jerky O'Rourke would stand zero chance against Trump, and he will not win the nomination on the Dems side, even if HRC does not win.

[cato potatoe]

Who can beat Trump?   As soon as the light shines on any of these Democrats they will wilt.  It's not that people love Trump, but they will find he still beats the alternative.

They say that the most popular player on a football team is the backup quarterback.   That is until he actually gets a chance to start and then people realize why he was the backup quarterback.

Trump as the incumbent needs to raise his approval to 50%.  Demographics guarantee a near-victory for any dem.  All they needed was another 78k votes to elect the most repulsive candidate they have ever fielded.

[Cyber Liberty]

Trump as the incumbent needs to raise his approval to 50%.  Demographics guarantee a near-victory for any dem.  All they needed was another 78k votes to elect the most repulsive candidate they have ever fielded.

The press will never report any poll that shows >45%.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Perhaps its 'unprecedented' because DC establishment and their monied special interest supporters have spent decades replacing the traditional electorate with a new one more amenable to global socialism?

Your aphorism is perfectly apt to those who still have their heads in the sand about the effect of decades of wholesale immigration paired with the rise of identity politics. Thanks to it, we may truly never be able to elect another non-socialist to national office. Certainly it's been becoming less likely each presidential election since the eighties.

In short, what applies to Trump also applies to every other GOP candidate, thanks to changing collective values.

Yet some folks STILL can't seem to put two and two together.

I can't see how what was in the post you quoted is "unprecedented", though one does have to look all the way back to 2015 to find a POTUS with a lower approval rating with the same GDP growth level.

[skeeter]

I can't see how what was in the post you quoted is "unprecedented", though one does have to look all the way back to 2015 to find a POTUS with a lower approval rating with the same GDP growth level.

Not sure what you mean. Real GDP in Q3’15 was 1%, & in Q4’15 .4%.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Not sure what you mean. Real GDP in Q3’15 was 1%, & in Q4’15 .4%.

Real GDP YoY 2015 2.9%, 2018 2.9%.  POTUS approval rating 2015 low 40s, 2018 high 40s.