March 24: Thread for all Mueller Report Updates

[edpc]

Today, I heard Trump say twice: “Hopefully someone will look at the other side.”  Trump will start an investigation of everyone who worked on this case in the Justice Department.  Going after the “Deep State” - who is everyone who did not support Trump.  This is not over and won’t be until Trump is no longer in office and he won’t stop even then.

A full investigation and declassification of FISA is highly unlikely. It’s more advantageous for the questions to remain and have people like Comey, Lynch, Obama, Clinton, McCabe, and others as villains for the 2020 campaign.  Before the report was released, people like Dershowitz were saying it would not reveal criminal wrongdoing, but be politically damaging.

Fully releasing the report and the underlying investigation will cause some uncomfortable content to be revealed. The report said there was no evidence the campaign directly conspired, but it did mention multiple instances of outreach. There would have to be explanations as to why they weren’t reported at the time. There would necessarily be a re-opening of discussions about Trump Tower, campaign polling data transfers, and the meeting between Gates, Manafort, and Kilimnik in Kushner’s building.

[Bigun]

A full investigation and declassification of FISA is highly unlikely. It’s more advantageous for the questions to remain and have people like Comey, Lynch, Obama, Clinton, McCabe, and others as villains for the 2020 campaign.  Before the report was released, people like Dershowitz were saying it would not reveal criminal wrongdoing, but be politically damaging.

Fully releasing the report and the underlying investigation will cause some uncomfortable content to be revealed. The report said there was no evidence the campaign directly conspired, but it did mention multiple instances of outreach. There would have to be explanations as to why they weren’t reported at the time. There would necessarily be a re-opening of discussions about Trump Tower, campaign polling data transfers, and the meeting between Gates, Manafort, and Kilimnik in Kushner’s building.

So you say!  I disagree!  X gets the square!

[skeeter]

A full investigation and declassification of FISA is highly unlikely. It’s more advantageous for the questions to remain and have people like Comey, Lynch, Obama, Clinton, McCabe, and others as villains for the 2020 campaign.  Before the report was released, people like Dershowitz were saying it would not reveal criminal wrongdoing, but be politically damaging.

Fully releasing the report and the underlying investigation will cause some uncomfortable content to be revealed. The report said there was no evidence the campaign directly conspired, but it did mention multiple instances of outreach. There would have to be explanations as to why they weren’t reported at the time. There would necessarily be a re-opening of discussions about Trump Tower, campaign polling data transfers, and the meeting between Gates, Manafort, and Kilimnik in Kushner’s building.

I sincerely hope the administration takes its chances and pursues the whole truth here.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I sincerely hope the administration takes its chances and pursues the whole truth here.

The next phase starts with the IG's report.  My prediction:  First indictment has McCabe's name on it.

Then let the plea bargaining begin.   

[MajorClay]

If you want obstruction of justice, I suggest you look at she who used Bleachbit.

[aligncare]

So you say!  I disagree!  X gets the square!

Yep. And as for potential FISA abuse – the 800 lb gorilla in the room – I suspect Roberts, as head of the judiciary branch, will be compelled to investigate the principals involved. And remember, we’re still waiting on the inspector general’s report regarding FISA. The inspector general did a good job in uncovering the text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that shifted our understanding of just what really happened to Donald Trump. He was targeted by Obama’s DOJ.

[Smokin Joe]

Yep. And as for potential FISA abuse – the 800 lb gorilla in the room – I suspect Roberts, as head of the judiciary branch, will be compelled to investigate the principals involved. And remember, we’re still waiting on the inspector general’s report regarding FISA. The inspector general did a good job in uncovering the text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page that shifted our understanding of just what really happened to Donald Trump. He was targeted by Obama’s DOJ.

Which would be perfectly in conformity with the Obama Administration's use of other Federal Agencies to target anyone to the right of Karl Marx. Ask Lois Lerner about that, too.

[Mod1]

Merging several Mueller report threads into this one. Remember, this is the central repository for all things Mueller report-related.

[skeeter]

Yep. And as for potential FISA abuse – the 800 lb gorilla in the room – I suspect Roberts, as head of the judiciary branch, will be compelled to investigate the principals involved.

May thought of that possibility result in the ex president's amber stain of song and verse.

[aligncare]

Paul Krugman and Adam Schiff both said they had incontrovertible evidence that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians, that it was a slam dunk.

Okay. So, will anyone from CNN or MSNBC have either of the two on and ask them to produce that incontrovertible evidence?

Facts? They don’t need no stinking facts.

[edpc]

So you say!  I disagree!  X gets the square!

You believe whatever you want. The fact of the matter is, if this investigation was ‘illegal,’ then the president had the ability to stop it, for over one year. However, he did not and let ‘terrible things’ happen to people caught up in it, when there was supposedly no cause for it. This would include himself, since separate investigations under various federal jurisdictions have been opened, due to evidence gathered in the process.

[Smokin Joe]

What got me was that though they didn't find any "actionable" evidence (IOW, nothing that would withstand a middlin' cross examination) they said that didn't mean it didn't happen.

(Maybe they've been around the Janet Reno school of defense too long).

But they and the Media are completely blowing past a basic principle (yeah, there's that word again) of American jurisprudence, that all are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Catch some illegal alien shooting someone in the head, and the media refer to the alleged perpetrator allegedly involved in the alleged incident involving the alleged death of the alleged victim, allegedly....

[Cyber Liberty]

What got me was that though they didn't find any "actionable" evidence (IOW, nothing that would withstand a middlin' cross examination) they said that didn't mean it didn't happen.

(Maybe they've been around the Janet Reno school of defense too long).

But they and the Media are completely blowing past a basic principle (yeah, there's that word again) of American jurisprudence, that all are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Catch some illegal alien shooting someone in the head, and the media refer to the alleged perpetrator allegedly involved in the alleged incident involving the alleged death of the alleged victim, allegedly....

I watched Rats on TeeVee yesterday declaring the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard is a bar too high, and a "preponderance of evidence" standard should be applied to the President.  IOW, Donald Trump is beneath the law.

[aligncare]

You know, it was almost worth the $35 million investigation just to see Rachel Maddow’s face Friday night.

[skeeter]

I watched Rats on TeeVee yesterday declaring the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard is a bar too high, and a "preponderance of evidence" standard should be applied to the President.  IOW, Donald Trump is beneath the law.

When this doesn't work they'll go straight to the 'heal the nation' mode as it looks like their own nuts might end up in the wringer.

[Smokin Joe]

I watched Rats on TeeVee yesterday declaring the "beyond reasonable doubt" standard is a bar too high, and a "preponderance of evidence" standard should be applied to the President.  IOW, Donald Trump is beneath the law.

It's a sad day in America where all are supposed to have equal Rights when the press, the Leftists, and the liberals who hoot the loudest for "equality" will not even acknowledge that the POTUS has the same basic Constitutional Rights (Civil Rights) as the rest of us.

So much for all their egalitarian socialist bullsh*t. That facade is down.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Stupid should hurt.

Dem lawmaker says party has evidence Mueller wasn't covering
The Hill, Mar 25, 2019

A freshman Democrat in the House on Monday insisted that there is "suspicious" evidence that special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation "was not covering" related to President Trump's administration that could come back to haunt him.

“We have the evidence over the last two years that the Mueller investigation was not covering that is highly, highly suspicious,” Rep. Katie Hill (D-Calif.), a member of the House Oversight Committee, told CNN’s Alisyn Camerota on "New Day."

Hill cited ongoing controversies and questions relating to White House officials’ security clearances, the possible sale of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia and separation of migrant children and their parents at the U.S./Mexico border.


More:  https://thehill.com/homenews/news/435585-dem-rep-we-have-evidence-mueller-investigation-wasnt-covering-that-is-highly

[Cyber Liberty]

Stupid should hurt.

[GrouchoTex]

Here's the twitter snapshot (suitable for framing)    @Bigun

I just saw this today.
 

[truth_seeker]

Think of the various usual suspects (including some here); #nevertrumpers of all stripes, spewing the democrat talking points 24/7.

They lack self-awareness to even be embarrased at how wrong they have been.

So I fully expect them to be out here, at CNN, at MSNBC, at starting as if nothing happened.

Whatabout-this-ism, what-about-thatism, ad infinitum, until ad nausium sets in.

I get much better analysis from democrats on LA AM radio.

[Victoria33]

What got me was that though they didn't find any "actionable" evidence (IOW, nothing that would withstand a middlin' cross examination) they said that didn't mean it didn't happen.
But they and the Media are completely blowing past a basic principle (yeah, there's that word again) of American jurisprudence, that all are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

@Smokin Joe
@QueenCatofAragon
@edpc

"...all are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

That statement has gone by the wayside - say that, "innocent until proven guilty" to a real "Q" person or on the net to one of them you can't identify, and I have done it both ways, and you get clobbered because these so-called conservatives want thousands dead right now.  This mind-set is new, beginning two years ago and brings out the worst in people. 

John Kasich is on TV right now and just said, "Love your neighbor as yourself" and these divisions would go away. Kasich is a Christian and that guides his life.  He is no longer acceptable to "conservatives" because he wants peace instead of war among citizens and believes one is innocent until proven guilty.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe
@QueenCatofAragon
@edpc

"...all are innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

That statement has gone by the wayside - say that, "innocent until proven guilty" to a real "Q" person or on the net to one of them you can't identify, and I have done it both ways, and you get clobbered because these so-called conservatives want thousands dead right now.  This mind-set is new, beginning two years ago and brings out the worst in people. 

John Kasich is on TV right now and just said, "Love your neighbor as yourself" and these divisions would go away. Kasich is a Christian and that guides his life.  He is no longer acceptable to "conservatives" because he wants peace instead of war among citizens and believes one is innocent until proven guilty.

Jurisprudence is a process.

We have outlined that process, the determination of whether a crime has been committed (we have rules for that), gathering of evidence, (and have rules for that), obtaining warrants (and have rules for that), arrest, trial, evidence and testimony presented by both sides (and we have rules for all of that), conviction, or the default finding of innocent in the event that guilt is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt (yep, rules for that, too), and sentencing (uh-huh, still more rules), if appropriate.

Then there is the process of appeal (with still even more rules for that). I can understand the enthusiasm many here have for expediting the process, but that breaks its own rules, takes on the character of a lynch mob, and loses any legitimacy within our system of jurisprudence.

That noted, the march to the gallows begins with the first step. Patience is a virtue.
All will come before one final Judge, sooner or later.

[QueenCatofAragon]

Think of the various usual suspects (including some here); #nevertrumpers of all stripes, spewing the democrat talking points 24/7.

They lack self-awareness to even be embarrased at how wrong they have been.

So I fully expect them to be out here, at CNN, at MSNBC, at starting as if nothing happened.

Whatabout-this-ism, what-about-thatism, ad infinitum, until ad nausium sets in.

I get much better analysis from democrats on LA AM radio.

@truth_seeker, I'm positive no response from you will be forthcoming, but just once I’d love to see you back your garbage up with actual facts, instead of just doing baseless drive-bys and then running away.  Because you know damn well there have been zero “Dem talking points” on here.

You’re stuck in a groove, dude, and you really need to give that needle a shove. 

[mystery-ak]

Trump: Mueller acted honorably
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435629-trump-mueller-acted-honorably

[Smokin Joe]

Trump: Mueller acted honorably
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435629-trump-mueller-acted-honorably

If the investigation is to be turned around to investigate the possibly very real criminal types and acts of the 2016 election, he MUST say this, or the first line of defense for the Dems will be that any investigation is merely a reprisal and a waste of time.

This must have the look of legitimacy, otherwise any further attempts to ferret out the Criminal acts of the Obama DOJ and Clinton Foundation, Uranium One, and other egregious violations (including e-mail servers) will be broad brushed as a fishing expedition by the almost completely Left dominated mainstream press.