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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2019, 02:47:18 pm »
California sits here like a great big canker sore as a testament to what happens when a region within the US becomes inundated with illegals, and if the truth be told, immigrants who do not share American values.

I do not trust the word of anyone who still justifies our crazy immigration policies with 'shining city' platitudes (a misappropriation of the term) and then claims to love this country as founded. Because those policies are helping change the country into the socialist sh*thole they claim to oppose.

Immigration proves the vitality of our capitalist economy.  Immigrants who come here for the opportunity our capitalist system provides share our values.   

It isn't illegals who are turning California into a shithole, it's liberals obsessed with identity politics and socialism.   
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2019, 02:47:48 pm »
Rush, here is a hint- if Mike Lee and Rand Paul vote against something, don't lump them in with the left but look at the Constitutional reasoning. Neither of them vote on whims or based on popularity, but on what is right Constitutionally.

Quit telling everyone why you think they did something- both have made very clear cases for their votes.

The others Rush's comments may apply to, but not those two.

I have considered their reasoning and find it sorely lacking in this case.   Their job(s) is to change the law if they think it bad but the law as it currently exists is the law and the President is perfectly entitled to use it.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2019, 03:08:25 pm »
 :silly: I’m sorry but, this Trump disaster? Really?  :silly:

In the meantime, 71% of respondents approve of the job Trump is doing with the economy in a latest poll, plus more people than not are with the president on border security.

Game, set and match for Trump’s 2020 reelection.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2019, 04:38:26 pm »
You're right,  I refuse to concede the GOP to Trump's nativist, white nationalist base. 

You're a democrat socialist @Jazzhead   Nothing you say will change my mind about this.   Your previous posts are all too clear.  Your bs references to Ronald Reagan do not hide what you want for this nation.

As I've said before, you're in the mix of voters I will fight.  To the end.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2019, 04:42:32 pm »
You're a democrat socialist @Jazzhead   Nothing you say will change my mind about this.   Your previous posts are all too clear.  Your bs references to Ronald Reagan do not hide what you want for this nation.

As I've said before, you're in the mix of voters I will fight.  To the end.

I laugh my ass off when I hear fans of the least conservative GOP POTUS since Gerald Ford call acutal conservatives here "socialist democrats".

You are one credibility challenged guy there.  Get 'em Lefty.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2019, 04:51:02 pm »
Immigration proves the vitality of our capitalist economy.  Immigrants who come here for the opportunity our capitalist system provides share our values.   

It isn't illegals who are turning California into a shithole, it's liberals obsessed with identity politics and socialism.

You are dead WRONG.

I've been here 50+ years. So have the liberals.

Even with them we were a swing state until the mid 90s. Just a few short years after Simpson Mazzoli was passed, and after a single judge sh*tcanned the will of the people expressed in prop 187.

You couldn't be MORE wrong and your kind of rose colored mush headedness on this issue will lose it all for all of us.

We now have a single party state, a supermajority of rats totally unchained. We have upwards of a million illegals voting in our elections. The rate of this state's slide is accelerating. Its becoming impossible to maintain a small business here, with the ever increasing taxes and regulations.

When it happens in your state just remember what I told you.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2019, 04:51:12 pm »
You're a democrat socialist @Jazzhead   Nothing you say will change my mind about this.   Your previous posts are all too clear.  Your bs references to Ronald Reagan do not hide what you want for this nation.

As I've said before, you're in the mix of voters I will fight.  To the end.

I am nothing of the kind.   Your inability to engage me on the issues, and instead resort to cheap labels, just shows you to be less than a conservative than Trump's lickspittle.

I have time and again stated my support for many of the President's policies.   It is the prosperity that he helped create that I wish to preserve by advocating steps to replace him as the nominee given the likely field of battle in 2020.   

But I also remember a Republican party that was not beholden to know-nothingism,  understood the value of hard-working immigrants  and what they brought to the fabric of this nation, and that consigned the white supremicists to their fellow racists in the Democratic party.    Perhaps you do too.   Do not let your Trump-worship blind you to what Reagan passionately believed about this country.     
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2019, 06:38:53 pm »

You're right,  I refuse to concede the GOP to Trump's nativist, white nationalist base.   But you are not my enemy, @Right_in_Virginia,  the looming specter of socialism is.   If Trump is our nominee,  the baggage he carries will sink our hopes of defeating a radicalized Democratic party.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2019, 02:07:14 am »
The net number went down under Obama.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-illegal-immigrants-numbers-lowest-level-decade-barack-obama-study-donald-trump-undocumented-a7702976.html

But it wasn't due to enforcement. It was due to the dropping economy which caused many construction jobs to dry up.

IE, we weren't losing the hardened criminals but the actual day laborers and workers were not coming in as much.
I know the numbers went down, but the poster claimed the illegals went home.

Nothing is further from the truth.

A truly imbecilic statement.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2019, 02:15:33 am »
I am an old school Republican who, like Reagan, sees us as a shining city and a beacon to those seeking to come here for a better life.  I support immigration as fundamentally in character with the best of America, and necessary for sustained economic growth.    I support Trump's policies that have lowered taxes, cut regulation and helped create this booming economy that is finally adding both jobs and wage gains.    When Obama was President, the illegals went home - can you figure out why?   

You're right,  I refuse to concede the GOP to Trump's nativist, white nationalist base.   But you are not my enemy, @Right_in_Virginia,  the looming specter of socialism is.   If Trump is our nominee,  the baggage he carries will sink our hopes of defeating a radicalized Democratic party.
Why is so hard for you to say the word 'legal' in front of the world immigration?

One must conclude you don't care whether they are legal or illegal.

As far as 'necessary sustained economic growth', why not just allow the 60 million already aborted in this country to stay alive as fundamental Americans instead of importing more people who are not American?  Would this not satisfy your 'sustained economic growth'?

I know, it makes just too much sense.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2019, 08:38:27 am »
Rush, here is a hint- if Mike Lee and Rand Paul vote against something, don't lump them in with the left but look at the Constitutional reasoning. Neither of them vote on whims or based on popularity, but on what is right Constitutionally.

Quit telling everyone why you think they did something- both have made very clear cases for their votes.

The others Rush's comments may apply to, but not those two.
Yep. Collins and Murkowski are ordinarily defectors, voting with the Democrats often, so no surprise there. If Chuckie sez, they vote with him.

But there are others, specifically Lee and Paul who just are not that way. I am far more inclined to believe they DID vote this way to limit the authority of the executive branch.

Otherwise, the next pen and phone waving Communist in the White House will only have to say:
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2019, 12:58:54 pm »

As far as 'necessary sustained economic growth', why not just allow the 60 million already aborted in this country to stay alive as fundamental Americans instead of importing more people who are not American?  Would this not satisfy your 'sustained economic growth'?

I know, it makes just too much sense.

My goodness, you are obsessed with abortion.  You speak of those "60 million" as though they are the victims of mass murder.   But the reality is there are 60 million individual circumstances,  many involving impossible choices by women who aren't hard of heart. 


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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2019, 01:41:42 pm »
I am an old school Republican who, like Reagan, sees us as a shining city and a beacon to those seeking to come here for a better life.  I support immigration as fundamentally in character with the best of America, and necessary for sustained economic growth.    I support Trump's policies that have lowered taxes, cut regulation and helped create this booming economy that is finally adding both jobs and wage gains.    When Obama was President, the illegals went home - can you figure out why?   

You're right,  I refuse to concede the GOP to Trump's nativist, white nationalist base.   But you are not my enemy, @Right_in_Virginia,  the looming specter of socialism is.   If Trump is our nominee,  the baggage he carries will sink our hopes of defeating a radicalized Democratic party.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2019, 01:55:28 pm »
Rush has reached new heights.   He is suggesting a conspiracy theory that the left is behind the NZ killings to implicate the right.   IOW, a false flag operation.  Rush is trying for the Alex Jones Award.   

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2019, 02:14:48 pm »
I know the numbers went down, but the poster claimed the illegals went home.

Nothing is further from the truth.

A truly imbecilic statement.

Many did.  Look it up.  And more generally,  do yourself a favor and rely on a complete spectrum of news and opinion rather than just the right-wing agenda-driven crapola. 

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2019, 02:28:48 pm »
California sits here like a great big canker sore as a testament to what happens when a region within the US becomes inundated with illegals, and if the truth be told, immigrants who do not share American values.

I do not trust the word of anyone who still justifies our crazy immigration policies with 'shining city' platitudes (a misappropriation of the term) and then claims to love this country as founded. Because those policies are helping change the country into the socialist sh*thole they claim to oppose.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2019, 03:23:31 pm »
:silly: I’m sorry but, this Trump disaster? Really?  :silly:

In the meantime, 71% of respondents approve of the job Trump is doing with the economy in a latest poll, plus more people than not are with the president on border security.

Game, set and match for Trump’s 2020 reelection.

The economy's doing great.   And as James Carville said, it's the economy, stupid.

Except the economy was doing great this past November, and Republicans lost the House.   if that's not a canary in a coal mine, I don't know what is - especially in the swing states of Wisconsin,  Michigan and Pennsylvania,  where GOP candidates suffered at the hands of Democratic challengers.   

This seems to be one of those rare times when voters aren't necessarily voting the economy.   They remain concerned that Trump keeps doubling down on his un-Presidential tweets and other antics, and worried about the general chaos, manufactured crises,  and tit for tat mentality that pervades Washington and that (rightly or wrongly) the media blames on Trump.

A 71% approval rating for the economy is astonishing.   So why isn't it translating into broad support for the President?    Why isn't he able or willing to grow his base?   
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2019, 03:53:54 pm »
The economy's doing great.   And as James Carville said, it's the economy, stupid.

Except the economy was doing great this past November, and Republicans lost the House.   if that's not a canary in a coal mine, I don't know what is - especially in the swing states of Wisconsin,  Michigan and Pennsylvania,  where GOP candidates suffered at the hands of Democratic challengers.

It sounds like you are denying the Big Victory Trump win in 2018.  When President Trump nationalized the election as a referendum on him.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2019, 03:57:29 pm »
the swing states of Wisconsin,  Michigan and Pennsylvania, 


Add Ohio to that list.  Those wins were predicated on Trump bringing industrial jobs back.  Where are those "industrial" jobs?

If the Trump contingent thinks they can run the table again on these 4 again.......    :silly:
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2019, 07:16:44 pm »
The economy's doing great.   And as James Carville said, it's the economy, stupid.

Except the economy was doing great this past November, and Republicans lost the House.   if that's not a canary in a coal mine, I don't know what is - especially in the swing states of Wisconsin,  Michigan and Pennsylvania,  where GOP candidates suffered at the hands of Democratic challengers.   

This seems to be one of those rare times when voters aren't necessarily voting the economy.   They remain concerned that Trump keeps doubling down on his un-Presidential tweets and other antics, and worried about the general chaos, manufactured crises,  and tit for tat mentality that pervades Washington and that (rightly or wrongly) the media blames on Trump.

A 71% approval rating for the economy is astonishing.   So why isn't it translating into broad support for the President?    Why isn't he able or willing to grow his base?
Just a few facts.

1. Republicans lost FEWER seats in 018 midters, than did Clinton and Obama, before they went on to reelection.


2. Trump's approval/disapproval reported yesterday by CNN, were BETTER than Reagan,, Clinton, Obama at this point in their first term, before they went on to re-elected.


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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2019, 08:19:23 pm »
Just a few facts.

1. Republicans lost FEWER seats in 018 midters, than did Clinton and Obama, before they went on to reelection.


2. Trump's approval/disapproval reported yesterday by CNN, were BETTER than Reagan,, Clinton, Obama at this point in their first term, before they went on to re-elected.


Ironic, isn’t it? The economy is doing better than it has in decades. And yet when you scour these pages you still see so much criticism of the president.

However, when you look at that criticism it’s almost exclusively about his persona. Trump’s enacted policies that are largely conservative and have been a success in the economy and jobs, the military, cutting fedregs, disentangling America from foreign policy blunders and UN sponsored global climate scams.

We finally got a small government, America-first president and some seriously afflicted conservative nevers can’t even see it!

So, why all the criticism? His personality? Well, voters have seen his personality since Trump has been an American icon, a presence in the media since the early eighties. We knew his personality when we voted for him. And glad we did.

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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2019, 08:42:14 pm »

Ironic, isn’t it? The economy is doing better than it has in decades. And yet when you scour these pages you still see so much criticism of the president.

However, when you look at that criticism it’s almost exclusively about his persona. Trump’s enacted policies that are largely conservative and have been a success in the economy and jobs, the military, cutting fedregs, disentangling America from foreign policy blunders and UN sponsored global climate scams.


What policies specifically, according to the principles of Conservatism?

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ROTFLMAO!!! He's spending more money than Obama did! He hasn't even made a budget yet! And you think this is a small government administration?? WTF planet are you on?


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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2019, 09:21:29 pm »

Ironic, isn’t it? The economy is doing better than it has in decades. And yet when you scour these pages you still see so much criticism of the president.

However, when you look at that criticism it’s almost exclusively about his persona. Trump’s enacted policies that are largely conservative and have been a success in the economy and jobs, the military, cutting fedregs, disentangling America from foreign policy blunders and UN sponsored global climate scams.

We finally got a small government, America-first president and some seriously afflicted conservative nevers can’t even see it!

So, why all the criticism? His personality? Well, voters have seen his personality since Trump has been an American icon, a presence in the media since the early eighties. We knew his personality when we voted for him. And glad we did.

Yes, his personality.    Remember that in America, unlike say, in England,  there aren't separate roles for the head of the government and the head of state.   The U.S. President is both the chief executive and the symbolic representation of the nation.   In the latter role,  Trump tweets like a teenager,  insults his critics and even his allies,  and seemingly creates chaos wherever he goes.    Yes, he was elected as a protest candidate,  and he has delivered results.   And yes, his enemies are truly that -  so determined to take him down that they deny the results of a free and fair election.    That justifiably enrages and unifies his base,  but lots of folks outside that base are growing tired of his Presidency-as-reality-show shtick. 

President Trump is, in short,  a distraction.   A distraction with respect to the public giving him (and Republicans) due credit for the booming economy, a distraction that prevents Congress from coming together in good faith to advance his priorities,  and, most of all, a distraction that will permit a radicalized Democratic party to install a grievance-mongering socialist. 

 
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2019, 09:24:11 pm »
Add Ohio to that list.  Those wins were predicated on Trump bringing industrial jobs back.  Where are those "industrial" jobs?


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They are gone and never coming back as long as the minimum wage rate is 15 bucks a hour. Why work when you can draw factory worker pay and sit on your ass at home.

There won't be any factory jobs in the US because manufacturers can't afford to pay production labor 30+ bucks per hour and complete with the Chinese who don't pay that much a week to their laborers.

This is nothing less than the planned destruction of our economy by the Dims and their lick-spittle RINO pals.
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Re: Rush: Why Those 12 Republican Senators Really Voted Against Trump
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2019, 10:13:20 pm »
Rush, here is a hint- if Mike Lee and Rand Paul vote against something, don't lump them in with the left but look at the Constitutional reasoning. Neither of them vote on whims or based on popularity, but on what is right Constitutionally.

Quit telling everyone why you think they did something- both have made very clear cases for their votes.

The others Rush's comments may apply to, but not those two.

Yep, good post... I disagree with Lee that this is not a national emergency... but Mike Lee obviously did believe that for some reason... Rand is a little goofy at times, but for the most part he is also one of the good guys (compared to rest of Congress)...

Rush broad brushed the votes here, I am sure he hit it correctly on 85% of these cretins, but not Lee and Rand.
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