‘You Have to End Them’: El Salvador President-Elect Outlines His 3 Steps to Destroy MS-13, Other Gan

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‘You Have to End Them’: El Salvador President-Elect Outlines His 3 Steps to Destroy MS-13, Other Gangs

Daniel Davis / @JDaniel_Davis / March 14, 2019 / 1 Comment

"One of the best services we can provide to the people ... is investing in making our country safe. And then, when you Google El Salvador, you will not find gangs, corruption, emigration, caravans," says Nayib Bukele. (Photo: Thaleigha Rampersad for The Heritage Foundation)

Last month in El Salvador, a third-party outsider won in a landslide election, defeating his opponents, promising to crack down on corruption, to fight crime, and to improve the economy. President-elect Nayib Bukele shares with us his thoughts on immigration, gangs, and how the U.S. and El Salvador can work together. Read the transcript, pasted below, or listen to the podcast.

 

This transcript has been lightly edited.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/03/14/you-have-to-end-them-el-salvador-president-elect-outlines-his-3-steps-to-destroy-ms-13-other-gangs/?mkt

[Jazzhead]

The best way to deal with Central American migrants is to address the conditions that lead them to flee.   

There's a difference, too, between the prototypical "illegal immigrant" who is here, typically from Mexico, to work,  and the Central American migrants who are fleeing incomprehensible violence.   The latter are legitimately worthy of consideration for asylum - although Mexico probably should accept the majority of them. 

Perhaps one path to a solution is to issue work visas to Mexicans illegally here on a one for one basis for each Central American asylum seeker that Mexico accepts.   

[skeeter]

The best way to deal with Central American migrants is to address the conditions that lead them to flee.   

There's a difference, too, between the prototypical "illegal immigrant" who is here, typically from Mexico, to work,  and the Central American migrants who are fleeing incomprehensible violence.   The latter are legitimately worthy of consideration for asylum - although Mexico probably should accept the majority of them. 

Perhaps one path to a solution is to issue work visas to Mexicans illegally here on a one for one basis for each Central American asylum seeker that Mexico accepts.

Do you not believe that the single most prominent reason these people are fleeing here are the material promises our state makes to them? How about limiting those to emergency medical care?

[thackney]

The best way to deal with Central American migrants is to address the conditions that lead them to flee.   

There's a difference, too, between the prototypical "illegal immigrant" who is here, typically from Mexico, to work,  and the Central American migrants who are fleeing incomprehensible violence.   The latter are legitimately worthy of consideration for asylum - although Mexico probably should accept the majority of them. 

Perhaps one path to a solution is to issue work visas to Mexicans illegally here on a one for one basis for each Central American asylum seeker that Mexico accepts.

There are 9 other countries closer to El Salvador than the US, just by road travel. 

They are not coming here because of the problems at home.  They are coming here because of the generosity of Americans and the opportunities available here.

If they only need to leave home, Costa Rica and others are far less expense and risk to travel.

[Jazzhead]

Do you not believe that the single most prominent reason these people are fleeing here are the material promises our state makes to them? How about limiting those to emergency medical care?

No,  I think the majority of the Central Americans are fleeing incomprehensible gang violence.   You're aware, are you not, of what's going on in places like El Salvador?   Hopefully new leadership in El Salvador can make progress against these gangs.  We should be doing what we can to help.  That's the best way of addressing the migrant problem - at the root.

No, I am not so cynical as to believe they're all just criminals and spongers.   Vetting is crucial, of course, but I belong to the old school where I am willing to extend compassion and asylum in this big, beautiful nation of ours.   

The situation with economic illegals is different.   The basis premise is that they don't belong here.   But they ARE here - millions of them - and the political reality is conservatives need to be willing to cut a deal to allow some of them to stay in exchange for the monies needed to properly secure the border and pay for the personnel needed to address a problem that's been allowed to fester for 30 years.    Unfortunately,  this is the kind of situation where neither right nor left really wants a solution - both want the issue instead,  to fire up their bases.     

[skeeter]

No,  I think the majority of the Central Americans are fleeing incomprehensible gang violence.   You're aware, are you not, of what's going on in places like El Salvador?   Hopefully new leadership in El Salvador can make progress against these gangs.  We should be doing what we can to help.  That's the best way of addressing the migrant problem - at the root.

No, I am not so cynical as to believe they're all just criminals and spongers.   Vetting is crucial, of course, but I belong to the old school where I am willing to extend compassion and asylum in this big, beautiful nation of ours.   

The situation with economic illegals is different.   The basis premise is that they don't belong here.   But they ARE here - millions of them - and the political reality is conservatives need to be willing to cut a deal to allow some of them to stay in exchange for the monies needed to properly secure the border and pay for the personnel needed to address a problem that's been allowed to fester for 30 years.    Unfortunately,  this is the kind of situation where neither right nor left really wants a solution - both want the issue instead,  to fire up their bases.   

Well, I have my nose buried in the problem, know better and see it quite differently.

Suffice it to say if your's becomes the prevalent viewpoint you can just kiss all of your dreams of a classical western liberal society goodbye and say hello to latin American style socialism.

[Jazzhead]

Well, I have my nose buried in the problem, know better and see it quite differently.

Suffice it to say if your's becomes the prevalent viewpoint you can just kiss all of your dreams of a classical western liberal society goodbye and say hello to latin American style socialism.

Ha!  Socialism is already on its way and where your nose is buried is in the sand like so many others.   Bitching and moaning about illegals and migrants doesn't solve the problem.    When you're ready to address policy rather than spout rhetoric and moral superiority, let me know.   

Like I said, neither the right nor the left is interested in solving the problem of illegal immigration.   The issue's just to valuable to give up.    The GOP gets to tickle the nativist funnybones of its base and demonize the left, and the left gets to wallow in identity politics and demonize the right.   Meanwhile, illegals continue to come to work at jobs employers can't find the native-born to fill.   

[truth_seeker]

They are coming in large measure, expecting to enter and stay, ever siince REAGAN's foolhardy Amnesty in 1986, followed by talk led by GW Bush and John McCain, of subsequent amnesties.

Note how often stories of criminals, mention repeat entries, after deportations.

The scenarioistry, and try again.

I have inlaws that kept a weekend retreat in Rosarito Beach, for themsselves, children and grandchildren.


After a few good years, they abandoned it to vandalism. That was in a mainly Americano colony.

[skeeter]

Ha!  Socialism is already on its way and where your nose is buried is in the sand like so many others.   Bitching and moaning about illegals and migrants doesn't solve the problem.    When you're ready to address policy rather than spout rhetoric and moral superiority, let me know.   

Like I said, neither the right nor the left is interested in solving the problem of illegal immigration.   The issue's just to valuable to give up.    The GOP gets to tickle the nativist funnybones of its base and demonize the left, and the left gets to wallow in identity politics and demonize the right.   Meanwhile, illegals continue to come to work at jobs employers can't find the native-born to fill.   

Listening to someone from outside the madhouse lecture someone who lives inside the madhouse about how to solve the illegal immigration problem always cracks me up.

[Jazzhead]

Listening to someone from outside the madhouse lecture someone who lives inside the madhouse about how to solve the illegal immigration problem always cracks me up.

Do you really think the situation's any different in my neck of the woods?   Do you have anything to offer in this discussion with respect to policy that can be enacted by this divided Congress?   

[skeeter]

Do you really think the situation's any different in my neck of the woods?   Do you have anything to offer in this discussion with respect to policy that can be enacted by this divided Congress?   

Something that you wouldn't dismiss as 'nativist'? Probably not.

The only way to stop the crisis is to cut off the incentives to coming here. We can then easily deal with the ones that really are coming to work.

I'm sure thats too simple & straightforward for you.

[skeeter]

Do you really think the situation's any different in my neck of the woods?   Do you have anything to offer in this discussion with respect to policy that can be enacted by this divided Congress?   

And YES I think things are different here than in your neck of the woods. But not for long.

[Cyber Liberty]

Do you really think the situation's any different in my neck of the woods?     

Did you write than meaning it to be a joke? 

[Jazzhead]

Did you write than meaning it to be a joke?

Not at all.  Construction, landscaping,  crop harvesting, nannying and similar jobs exist in the Philly area too,  and illegal immigrants travel here to find work as well.   What makes you think this is a problem confined to the southwest?   The southern border is where they cross,  but they end up all over.   

[Jazzhead]

Something that you wouldn't dismiss as 'nativist'? Probably not.

The only way to stop the crisis is to cut off the incentives to coming here. We can then easily deal with the ones that really are coming to work.

I'm sure thats too simple & straightforward for you.

The incentive that drives illegals to cross the border is the opportunity to work.   Look at it this way - do you know why Obama did a better job of reducing illegal border crossings than Trump has done?   It's simple - Obama tanked the economy,  while Trump has made it grow.    This is truly a "first world" problem - it is a symptom of our economy's success. 

[Cyber Liberty]

Not at all.  Construction, landscaping,  crop harvesting, nannying and similar jobs exist in the Philly area too,  and illegal immigrants travel here to find work as well.   What makes you think this is a problem confined to the southwest?   The southern border is where they cross,  but they end up all over.

Are they muling drugs over your border?  Shooting up the Citizens and Border Patrol?  Robbing them?  Raping?  Because if they are not, you continue to refuse to see the problems faced in the Southwest.  If they are, you are far too tolerant of violent criminals.

The work too many illegals seek is in the field of crime (causing, not solving).  And too many are in the business of Welfare collection.

[Jazzhead]

Are they muling drugs over your border?  Shooting up the Citizens and Border Patrol?  Robbing them?  Raping?  Because if they are not, you continue to refuse to see the problems faced in the Southwest.  If they are, you are far too tolerant of violent criminals.

The work too many illegals seek is in the field of crime (causing, not solving).  And too many are in the business of Welfare collection.

You are making generalizations that are false with respect to the majority.   The criminal element among the illegal population needs to be addressed as swiftly and strongly as the criminal element among the native born.  Crime is crime, no matter the nationality of the perpetrator.  You don't think we have crime here in Philly,  drugs on the streets here in Philly?  Surely you jest!   

But I will not let the bad eggs lead me to jump to conclusions about the majority of those who come here to work and build a better life.   If the price of coming to grips with the bad guys is amnesty for those who keep their noses clean,  then that is acceptable to me.    What is not acceptable is merely talking about a problem rather than proposing constructive and realistic policy solutions to help solve the problem.         

[skeeter]

The incentive that drives illegals to cross the border is the opportunity to work.   Look at it this way - do you know why Obama did a better job of reducing illegal border crossings than Trump has done?   It's simple - Obama tanked the economy,  while Trump has made it grow.    This is truly a "first world" problem - it is a symptom of our economy's success.

All those women & children are coming to work, eh? "Asylum" claims suddenly up 1800 percent.

You really are lost on this issue.

[skeeter]

Are they muling drugs over your border?  Shooting up the Citizens and Border Patrol?  Robbing them?  Raping?  Because if they are not, you continue to refuse to see the problems faced in the Southwest.  If they are, you are far too tolerant of violent criminals.

The work too many illegals seek is in the field of crime (causing, not solving).  And too many are in the business of Welfare collection.

Yesterday a 49 year old woman was murdered in her home, in a very middle class neighborhood, about five miles from where I live by a guy who had been previously deported (back when we used to deport illegals) and had a rap sheet in the US as long as your driveway. Of course local law enforcement is prohibited from working with ICE by local politicians.

This is where such mush headed thinking by others leads.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yesterday a 49 year old woman was murdered in her home, in a very middle class neighborhood, about five miles from where I live by a guy who had been previously deported (back when we used to deport illegals) and had a rap sheet in the US as long as your driveway. Of course local law enforcement is prohibited from working with ICE by local politicians.

This is where such mush headed thinking by others leads.

Having a loved one murdered by an illegal tends to focus the mind.  May Mr. Jazz never have to walk an inch in my shoes.

[Fishrrman]

Paging [Philippine president] Duterte:
Please pick up the nearest courtesy phone.
Your advice is badly needed.

[Jazzhead]

Having a loved one murdered by an illegal tends to focus the mind.  May Mr. Jazz never have to walk an inch in my shoes.

The bad ones should be strung up by the balls.   But that leaves millions of good ones.   

[Cyber Liberty]

The bad ones should be strung up by the balls.   But that leaves millions of good ones.

They're "good ones" if you ignore the fact that every last one of them broke a serious Federal law.  There were four bad ones that killed my BIL with a baseball bat.  Two melted back over the border that's less than 100 miles away from the scene. The other two were convicted and served less than 10 years.  They're loose now, even though illegal because they were never deported as ordered.  Obastard was Preezy of the United Steezy.  I doubt anybody harmed a hair on their balls.

The highlighted part is why I say "crisis" and it's a big deal for me.  It's because I live here, not in Philly.  And why every time we discuss this I become more certain you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

I reiterate the prior comment:  I hope you never have to find out what it's like.  I'd be a bit more understanding of your perspective if I could be convinced you give a crap about mine.

[thackney]

But I will not let the bad eggs lead me to jump to conclusions about the majority of those who come here to work and build a better life.

You are too dismissive of the bad eggs, it is too large a number to be ignoring.

The good ones that come for work need to come in the front door, not jump over the back fence.  We have the most generous immigration policy in the world.

[Jazzhead]

  I'd be a bit more understanding of your perspective if I could be convinced you give a crap about mine.

CL,  what your family suffered was horrible.   A colleague of mine a couple of weeks ago was shot on the sidewalk walking home from work.    That the perp may have been a citizen (he hasn't been caught yet) doesn't make the crime any less deserving of swift and sure punishment.    There is simply no excuse for not swiftly deporting such human trash,  and securing the border as we should have been doing all along.   

But it hardly means that I don't "give a crap" because I choose to differentiate between the bad guys and the good guys.  And if the political price that needs to be paid to get the funds needed to secure the border,  and ensure swift deportation of criminals and gang members,  is amnesty for those who came here to work and kept their noses clean,  then I am more than willing to pay that price.