Rand Paul To Vote To Block Emergency Declaration, Forcing Trump Veto

[XenaLee]

Well, the problem with Obamacare was is was pushed through, using ‘deem and pass.’ That was not unprecedented. It’s a rule that goes back to the 1930s. It’s been used by both parties to move legislation, since then. In fact, the republican controlled congress, during the Bush 43 years, used it over 30 times. That includes reauthorization of controversial laws, like the Patriot Act. There’s another hard lesson of precedent.

The rats used reconciliation for ObamaCare, which had previously been used for budget bills, not for something as disastrous for the entire nation as ObamaCare was and still is.   They set that "new precedent" without a care and without one GOP vote.... which showed just how ruthless they ARE.  And as hard to believe as it may be.... they have only become MORE ruthless over the past nine years. 

[edpc]

The rats used reconciliation for ObamaCare, which had previously been used for budget bills, not for something as disastrous for the entire nation as ObamaCare was and still is.

That’s not entirely true. There are probably many examples you could find over the past 80 years. However, let’s go back to the previous example of the Patriot Act. That expanded the FISA authority. How has that worked out, over the last decade?

[XenaLee]

That’s not entirely true. There are probably many examples you could find over the past 80 years. However, let’s go back to the previous example of the Patriot Act. That expanded the FISA authority. How has that worked out, over the last decade?

The Patriot Act was and still is a disaster.  And remind me... who were the senators that pushed that disaster? 

[edpc]

The Patriot Act was and still is a disaster.  And remind me... who were the senators that pushed that disaster?

Not sure about the senators, but it passed that side 98-1. The original bill was introduced in the House, by Sensenbrenner.

[Fishrrman]

Rand Paul being Rand Paul. That is to say, erratic.

If this needs a presidential veto (and subsequent failure of the Congress to override that veto) to move forward, well... just get on with it.

Let's get the Congressional "approval/disapproval" votes out-of-the-way.
They were never going to be anything more than "for show", in any case.

Then, start clearing out any opposition in the courts, with a "fast-track push" to the U.S. Supreme Court.

And in the meantime -- GET THAT WALL A-BUILDIN' !!

[kevindavis007]

This is where I agree with Rand 100%.

[Drago]

This is the second or 3rd time I have heard "President & veto" mentioned in connection with the President's emergency declaration & Congress.  The way I read the statute it is Congress "vetoing" the declared emergency by a joint resolution...no legislation, no opportunity for a presidential veto.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1622

[Right_in_Virginia]

This is the second or 3rd time I have heard "President & veto" mentioned in connection with the President's emergency declaration & Congress.  The way I read the statute it is Congress "vetoing" the declared emergency by a joint resolution...no legislation, no opportunity for a presidential veto.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1622

The joint resolution must be signed by the President.

[Drago]

Further digging reveals "2/3rds required & signature required since 1983" due to "Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha"...

https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/432124-national-emergencies-act-leaves-congress-lacking

[edpc]

Sen. Rand Paul: I support President Trump, but I can't support this National Emergency Declaration

In September of 2014,  I had these words to say: "The president acts like he's a king. He ignores the Constitution.  He arrogantly says, 'If Congress will not act, then I must.'

Donald J. Trump agreed with me when he said in November 2014 that President Barack Obama couldn’t make a deal on immigration so “now he has to use executive action, and this is a very, very dangerous thing that should be overridden easily by the Supreme Court.”

I would literally lose my political soul if I decided to treat President Trump different than President Obama. (Although, I’ll note, not one Democrat criticized Obama for his executive orders.)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen-rand-paul-i-support-president-trump-but-i-cant-support-this-national-emergency-declaration

[libertybele]

Sen. Rand Paul: I support President Trump, but I can't support this National Emergency Declaration

In September of 2014,  I had these words to say: "The president acts like he's a king. He ignores the Constitution.  He arrogantly says, 'If Congress will not act, then I must.'

Donald J. Trump agreed with me when he said in November 2014 that President Barack Obama couldn’t make a deal on immigration so “now he has to use executive action, and this is a very, very dangerous thing that should be overridden easily by the Supreme Court.”

I would literally lose my political soul if I decided to treat President Trump different than President Obama. (Although, I’ll note, not one Democrat criticized Obama for his executive orders.)

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/sen-rand-paul-i-support-president-trump-but-i-cant-support-this-national-emergency-declaration

I cannot fault Rand for adhering to his principles.  Yes, I get that the DEMS always stick together, but like Rand I believe one must stay true to themselves and their core beliefs. Otherwise, what integrity and credibility would be left?  I think he is correct in that the president has the authority to declare a national emergency but not to declare a national emergency in order to reapportion funds that Congress has already approved.

Lee and others have mentioned (though not specified) that there are legal means to get funding.  Why hasn't Trump done so?? That's the big question here.  Others have made suggestions as to how he can get funding, yet for some reason, it has fallen on deaf ears.

Instead he goes ahead and signs a bill he should have never signed and then declares a national emergency when he knows full well it's going to be shot down.  He even admittedly said so.  Why?