Socialism talk will sink Democrats: How left-wing overreach could backfire big-time in 2020

[Cyber Liberty]

Being a young person today maybe isn't as easy as older people think it is, despite how the stock market looks and the fact that most people have a smart phone. I very much disagree with the sentiment that my generation is just lazy. Wages don't go as far as they did 30-40 years ago. A lot of them really do have to struggle a lot to stay afloat. Y'all don't actually know what it's like to start out in the world today. You can only speculate and make assumptions based on your experiences.

Maybe young people are struggling more than you give them credit for. None of that is written anywhere, but it won't stop people from voting for something different.

 

[LMAO]

In part you may be right, because your indoctrination is much deeper and multi-faceted that it was for the hippies who brought this crap here.  But by and large, the youth are naive and facile, easily bent by that indoctrination.

But here's the deal: Shortly after exiting the ivory towers of college, the real world comes right up to them and mugs em with a 2x4 to the head. You learn mighty soon that the big bad world doesn't owe you a single damn thing, and you better fight like hell or there won't be any food on the table tonight for your kids. Your generation is not immune to that 2x4. It's coming. And many, many of your generation will change their minds the hard way.

Our young friend doesn’t realize that he hasn’t lived the life and traveled  the journeys that many of us already have.  I think they see a certain standard of living their parents have and think that’s what you get the minute you turn 18. So they convince themselves  that they are struggling worse than any generation before them which is simply not true.  So they make veiled threats like “give us what we want or we’ll vote for Marxism.” What they don’t realize is that many of the young people  before them who voted for McGovern in 1972, once they left the university systems and got real jobs, ended up voting for Reagan in 1984

[roamer_1]

Our young friend doesn’t realize that he hasn’t lived the life and traveled  the journeys that many of us already have.  I think they see a certain standard of living their parents have and think that’s what you get the minute you turn 18. So they convince themselves  that they are struggling worse than any generation before them which is simply not true.  So they make veiled threats like “give us what we want or we’ll vote for Marxism.” What they don’t realize is that many of the young people  before them who voted for McGovern in 1972, once they left the university systems and got real jobs, ended up voting for Reagan in 1984

@LMAO
That's right... Even here, we have a species of vegetarian granola-head hillbilly... Not exactly ex-hippie... Still doing their thing, but very, very libertarian, and conservative in many many ways. Good folks.

I have seen all this bullcrap already in my life - except back in the day, it was global cooling, the Alar scare, and the war on tobacco. Been there, done that. Happily, as a Conservative, I was entirely immune. All a feller has to do is think for himself a little while, and you can see right through this kind of stuff.

Good post.

[goatprairie]

@LMAO
That's right... Even here, we have a species of vegetarian granola-head hillbilly... Not exactly ex-hippie... Still doing their thing, but very, very libertarian, and conservative in many many ways. Good folks.

I have seen all this bullcrap already in my life - except back in the day, it was global cooling, the Alar scare, and the war on tobacco. Been there, done that. Happily, as a Conservative, I was entirely immune. All a feller has to do is think for himself a little while, and you can see right through this kind of stuff.

Good post.

Remember the dairy scare from the eighties? When eating an egg a week would probably clog your arteries so bad with chlorestorol you'd die after eating two or three at a time?
Now they're saying eating several eggs a day is good for you. Who to believe?

[roamer_1]

Remember the dairy scare from the eighties? When eating an egg a week would probably clog your arteries so bad with chlorestorol you'd die after eating two or three at a time?
Now they're saying eating several eggs a day is good for you. Who to believe?

Oh yeah... And margarine because butter would kill you dead... Turns out the margarine is what'll kill you dead, and butter is just as good as it has always been.

Who to believe? I will believe the old duffers. They are the ones with wisdom. And they have all heard this crap before. IOW, I don't believe a damn word of anything the 'news' says at all. And what's the difference anyway? All this crap doesn't really mean a damn thing, because I can't change it anyway. I'll worry about right here where I am and let them dumb bastards figure it out for themselves. I will pay em no mind.

[sneakypete]

@Cyber Liberty

Yeah,it must be tough to buy 600 dollar cell phones ,designer clothes,and designer coffee at Starbucks on unemployment or whatever minimum wage job you finally qualified to be hired for.

[sneakypete]

Our young friend doesn’t realize that he hasn’t lived the life and traveled  the journeys that many of us already have.  I think they see a certain standard of living their parents have and think that’s what you get the minute you turn 18.

@LMAO

 To be fair to them,doesn't every generation meet with a certain amount of culture shock when staring reality in the face for the first time?

So they convince themselves  that they are struggling worse than any generation before them which is simply not true.

Yes,but they THINK that is true because they have been raised to think they are special little snowflakes that deserve more. I remember when a friends high school age son got his first car and when I offered to help show him how to maintain it and what to look for,he informed me that he would never have to worry about such things because he was a software genius and was going to be rich designing video games. He is closing in fast on 30 now,and is a salesman at a software store during the day,and struggling stand up comedian at night.

Gee,who cudda seen THAT coming? Not really his fault,though. Being arrogant is the nature of the generational cycle because everyone wants to encourage them to do better,not criticize them for not doing enough.  Doctor Spock,and all that.

 

[Dexter]

they convince themselves  that they are struggling worse than any generation before them

They are struggling more than recent generations, such as yours. There are a lot of stats to back up my claim too.

[sneakypete]

They are struggling more than recent generations, such as yours. There are a lot of stats to back up my claim too.

@Dexter a

Oh,well,that's DIFFERENT! I didn't know you had statistics to back you up.

Uhhhh,who compiled the statistics? Ever heard the old saying that figures don't lie,but lairs figure?

AFATG,ever heard a political speech?

[EdJames]

They are struggling more than recent generations, such as yours. There are a lot of stats to back up my claim too.

How so, man?  What kind of stats do you have?  I would love to see some links to these stats.  I like stats, like to analyze them.

I would love it if you had some reliable stats on starting wages and increase rates that show the experience for folks from 18 to 35.  Nationwide, broad collection of data across numerous industries.  I would also love to see reliable data on the percentages of that income required for housing, food, other necessities.  How much of income is available for discretionary spending...

You got stats like that?  Feed me!!

[goatprairie]

They are struggling more than recent generations, such as yours. There are a lot of stats to back up my claim too.

Really? Where are the stats? I know there are millions of high-paying jobs available according to people who analyze things like The National Association of Manufacturers (NAM). They say about one half million skilled jobs in manufacturing are going unanswered and is projected to be two and one half million ten years from how. That's just one division of the economy.
No doubt, a number of young people are struggling....like young people have struggled since the Industrial Revolution.
But the young people I know are doing alright.
If you make a claim that today's young people are struggling more than previous generations, you have to back that up with facts.

[Dexter]

If you make a claim that today's young people are struggling more than previous generations, you have to back that up with facts.

Since millennials first started entering the workforce, their spending habits have been blamed for killing off industries ranging from casual restaurant dining to starter houses. However, a new study by the Federal Reserve suggests it might be less about how they are spending their money and more about not having any to spend.

A study published this month by Christopher Kurz, Geng Li and Daniel J. Vine found millennials are less financially well-off than members of earlier generations when they were the same ages, with "lower earnings, fewer assets and less wealth."

Millennials, which the study defined as those born between 1981 and 1997, with ages ranging from 21 to 37, "paid a price" for coming of age during the Great Recession. They had to face historically weak labor demand and unusually tight credit conditions.

Their consumption habits are similar to their parents' and grandparents' — millennials just have less money to spend.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/30/672103209/why-arent-millennials-spending-more-they-re-poorer-than-their-parents-fed-says

[Dexter]

Y'all can accept this stuff or not, whatever, but this is why socialism is becoming popular among young people. Young people feel like they've been screwed by the older generations and they're ready for revolutionary change.

[Cyber Liberty]

The excerpt from NPR is remarkably statistic free. All conclusions and no data. 

@Dexter you have to do better than that. 

[LMAO]

@Dexter a

Oh,well,that's DIFFERENT! I didn't know you had statistics to back you up.

Uhhhh,who compiled the statistics? Ever heard the old saying that figures don't lie,but lairs figure?

AFATG,ever heard a political speech?

Also keep in mind, what’s different from this younger generation versus previous generation is this younger generation of wallows in victimhood

When I got out of high school, minimum wage was around three dollars and there were  no jobs available for someone  just out of high school . Many of the males in my high school class joined the military as a result . In fact, there were articles at the time of how young men and women  of that era can expect a lower standard of living compared to their parents

 So,  been there done that and heard it all before.

[Dexter]

The excerpt from NPR is remarkably statistic free. All conclusions and no data. 

Did you look at the actual study that was done by the Federal Reserve? I'm pretty sure it's sourced in the article somewhere. If not it'd be easy to find. The study was not done without statistics.

[Cyber Liberty]

Did you look at the actual study that was done by the Federal Reserve? I'm pretty sure it's sourced in the article somewhere. If not it'd be easy to find. The study was not done without statistics.

Sorry, I'm too busy to drill down into links you post. If there's data in there, it's your job to post the data here. Support your GD arguments yourself,  don't ask Briefers to buttress your arguments. We're busy proving our own.

[LMAO]

I had an economics professor in college that said young people are for a larger welfare state until they get out in the world of working for a living and realize who really ends up paying for it.

[Dexter]

Sorry, I'm too busy to drill down into links you post. If there's data in there, it's your job to post the data here. Support your GD arguments yourself,  don't ask Briefers to buttress your arguments. We're busy proving our own.

The conclusions I linked you came from a large study done by the Federal Reserve. They don't do large, legitimate studies without solid statistics. I think the Federal Reserve is fairly reliable when it comes to this matter.

[roamer_1]

Y'all can accept this stuff or not, whatever, but this is why socialism is becoming popular among young people. Young people feel like they've been screwed by the older generations and they're ready for revolutionary change.

Gee, but it is funny how that sounds like it came right out of a liberal professer's mouth.

[Cyber Liberty]

The conclusions I linked you came from a large study done by the Federal Reserve. They don't do large, legitimate studies without solid statistics. I think the Federal Reserve is fairly reliable when it comes to this matter.

Oh, I see.  In lieu of data, you trust the Federal Reserve, and expect us to trust them because you do.

Your argumentation technique needs a lot of tune-up if you expect to debate with Briefers.

[Cyber Liberty]

I had an economics professor in college that said young people are for a larger welfare state until they get out in the world of working for a living and realize who really ends up paying for it.

Thus it has always been.  Then we have the dum-dums who refuse to learn the lesson of being mugged.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Oh, I see.  In lieu of data, you trust the Federal Reserve, and expect us to trust them because you do.

Your argumentation technique needs a lot of tune-up if you expect to debate with Briefers.

NOT!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Maybe young people are struggling more than you give them credit for. None of that is written anywhere, but it won't stop people from voting for something different. 

I do not believe you deserve "credit" for your "struggles" @Dexter  People in their twenties and thirties have struggled for generations .... and if they plowed ahead, they succeeded.  They had goals, they embraced responsibility, they knew they were the masters of their own destinies.  Those before you did not stop and engage in generational tantrums demanding rescue.  They kept going; and those that did made it all the way to a better, more prosperous life. 

There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, so unique about you and your generation that justifies your plotting to rob everyone else, make the government your mommy and destroy the US economy and the liberty it helps to secure.

I'll tell you this, Dex, if you do get the "different" you want to vote for --- you will look back upon your current "struggles" with fond nostalgia for the rest of your days.

[Cyber Liberty]

I do not believe you deserve "credit" for your "struggles" @Dexter  People in their twenties and thirties have struggled for generations .... and if they plowed ahead, they succeeded.  They had goals, they embraced responsibility, they knew they were the masters of their own destinies.  Those before you did not stop and engage in generational tantrums demanding rescue.  They kept going; and those that did made it all the way to a better, more prosperous life. 

There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING, so unique about you and your generation that justifies your plotting to rob everyone else, make the government your mommy and destroy the US economy and the liberty it helps to secure.

I'll tell you this, Dex, if you do get the "different" you want to vote for --- you will look back upon your current "struggles" with fond nostalgia for the rest of your days.

 

Meanwhile, he wants to drag us all to his Hell with him.