Socialism talk will sink Democrats: How left-wing overreach could backfire big-time in 2020

[Dexter]

Do you think it will just be given to you?

I think that's how it will eventually be, yes. Will I live to see that day? No, I doubt it.

The way you are talking, yes, that is exactly what you will do.

I don't see how these outcomes are avoidable.

[Dexter]

I think you overestimate technology.

Just look at technology compared to when you were a kid. The rate of growth is increasing. I really don't think I'm overestimating the impact technology will have on society.

[Dexter]

@Dexter

You need to study a little history and learn to be vewwy,vewwy careful about what you ask for,lest you get it.

Republicans have lost the youth vote badly, which means the future is probably bleak for their ideology. The United States will attempt to emulate our progressive allies in Europe sooner or later, of that I have no doubt. There's something I admire about Republicans for being immovable objects in a rapidly changing world, but in the end it leads to irrelevancy.

[Dexter]

Damn straight. Smells like socialism to me. And it has not worked in a hundred iterations. It always promises utopia, it always delivers death. Folks don't know how precious liberty is.

You don't think liberty exists in a place like Norway?

[Dexter]

@Cyber Liberty

DUHHHHH! Money/wealth is something real you can hold in your hands to protect,or to give to someone else. Digital numbers on a screen represent nothing but digital numbers. The INSTANT the government or a talented hacker takes a dislike to you,ALL your wealth can disappear in the blink of an eye with digital "wealth",and it will be like it never existed to start with,and you can't prove it ever did exist.

And do not even TRY to say this won't happen. It CAN happen,and anything that CAN happen WILL happen as long as there is someone around who can profit from it.

Most of our money transactions are already digital, and hackers can and do abuse that. Banks are usually pretty good about reimbursing stolen funds. I think along with a million other things AI will eventually render the human hacker obsolete. 

[Dexter]

Just out of curiosity,what do you think "the natives" will do with all the free time they suddenly have to wonder where their next meal will be coming from?

I don't predict food shortages being an issue in a world where human labor isn't needed anymore.

[Dexter]

@Dexter  @roamer_1

I think a better way to word that would be to say "....entirely lacking in experience."

The Utopian Left ALWAYS overlook the natural NEED to produce some sort of work that is innate to most of humanity.

I don't think the end of working for money will be possible for quite a while. That's the difference between me and other leftists. They want it all right now. I recognize that it's a long game and that we don't have our win condition yet.

It is mans NATURE to create and evolve through our work and our thoughts.

Men can create and evolve in a world where there's no such thing as a 9 to 5. I think people will be a lot more focused on hobbies and academia.

[LMAO]

Republicans have lost the youth vote badly, which means the future is probably bleak for their ideology. The United States will attempt to emulate our progressive allies in Europe sooner or later, of that I have no doubt. There's something I admire about Republicans for being immovable objects in a rapidly changing world, but in the end it leads to irrelevancy.

Republicans never had the youth vote. Again, many of us have lived a life you and your peers have yet to live

I’ve said conservatives may lose battles but we ultimately win the war. Why? The realities of math, economics, and ingrained human nature ultimately wins out over progressivism. The realities that currently exist is we have entitlement programs we can no longer afford, a 22 trillion dollar debt that is making investors anxious, states with massive unfunded public employee benefits that they cannot raise taxes enough to fund those, and changing technologies and shifting demographics

These are realities. They don’t go away because you want them to.

You’re young and full of youthful idealism. I get that. But you’re not the first generation who thinks that you’re going to mold the world in your image

[Dexter]

Republicans never had the youth vote. Again, many of us have lived a life you and your peers have yet to live

I’ve said conservatives may lose battles but we ultimately win the war. Why? The realities of math, economics, and ingrained human nature ultimately wins out over progressivism. The realities that currently exist is we have entitlement programs we can no longer afford, a 22 trillion dollar debt that is making investors anxious, states with massive unfunded public employee benefits that they cannot raise taxes enough to fund those, and changing technologies and shifting demographics

These are realities. They don’t go away because you want them to.

I think both ideologies can work in the world today within reason, but I think conservatism is running out of time in large part because of the opportunities being created by technology. I see the left and right as arguing over what is or isn't moral. Upward momentum beyond a certain point would be crippled if we emulated the Scandinavian countries. Some people are alright with that, others aren't. I completely disagree with the notion that the greatest country on Earth is incapable of emulating our European allies. We absolutely could if we wanted to.

[Axeslinger]

You don't think liberty exists in a place like Norway?

Why do you and your ilk think Norway et al are socialist?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/amp/

[Dexter]

Why do you and your ilk think Norway et al are socialist?

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

[Axeslinger]

I think both ideologies can work in the world today within reason, but I think conservatism is running out of time in large part because of the opportunities being created by technology. I see the left and right as arguing over what is or isn't moral. Upward momentum beyond a certain point would be crippled if we emulated the Scandinavian countries. Some people are alright with that, others aren't. I completely disagree with the notion that the greatest country on Earth is incapable of emulating our European allies. We absolutely could if we wanted to.

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So you want to take the “greatest country on earth”(agree by the way) and your grand idea is to emulate those that aren’t?  Did your mother drop you on your head when you were little?

[Dexter]

m
So you want to take the “greatest country on earth”(agree by the way) and your grand idea is to emulate those that aren’t?  Did your mother drop you on your head when you were little?

I think they had a good idea over there in Europe. I think we can take it and do it better because we're bleep awesome.

[LMAO]

The US economy is the largest in the world. We have states whose economy is larger than many European countries. We lead the world in medical innovation. This is all in spite of our unsustainable debt.

The larger a population is, the more unsustainable a welfare state becomes. Bringing up Scandinavia is extremely faulty as compared to the US.  This has been brought up many times to our young friend who chooses to completely ignore it. And yet we’re  the immovable ones.

[Axeslinger]

I think they had a good idea over there in Europe. I think we can take it and do it better because we're bleep awesome.

Which particular idea are you so fond of?

(May not be able to respond for a while.  I’m at work, something you socialists know nothing about!)

[Dexter]

Which particular idea are you so fond of?

Universal healthcare and a public college option for young people. I think those things would strengthen our nation a lot if we can somehow keep the left from letting the entire third world in at the same time.

[roamer_1]

All this will be debated and fought. Our young friend and his cohorts are under the impression that all they want they should get with no resistance simply because they want them

And swiftly defeated, one would hope - As defeating socialism once it is in bloom is a cost in blood that is always staggering. Nobody ever seems to get it that, with the slackard and the industrious getting the same money, there is no reason to try hard - The balance reverting everyone to a slackard in short order...

And even more disastrous, the absence of risk also promotes the absence of reward - For you will not get one without the other... Which means of course, that your captains of industry never arise... ingenuity, originality, and invention all flee....

But then, I guess, all that will be no longer necessary in our brilliant friend's new world... Because robots.

 

[Dexter]

But then, I guess, all that will be no longer necessary in our brilliant friend's new world... Because robots.

I think we're approaching a wall and that we simply don't have an option but to turn in another direction. I'm not even saying it'll be some wonderland, just that human labor will become obsolete and that that truth will have profound impacts on human society.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@roamer_1

You can always vote yourself into Socialism.

But you'll have to shoot your way out of it.

[roamer_1]

I think that's how it will eventually be, yes. Will I live to see that day? No, I doubt it.

I don't see how these outcomes are avoidable.

Like I said - Too much Star Trek.

[roamer_1]

Just look at technology compared to when you were a kid. The rate of growth is increasing. I really don't think I'm overestimating the impact technology will have on society.

Actually no, it is leveling off... Moore's law no longer applies and has not applied for a decade. In fact, since the advent of handhelds, which are always under-powered by comparison, tech has moved more into miniaturization than into bigger, badder, faster, better...

But you are welcome to lay upon your couch that you will no longer be able to afford, and have your robot which you can no longer afford, feed you grapes that you can no longer get...

The simple principles of Conservative economics will necessarily deny you. Because that is what principles do.

[roamer_1]

You don't think liberty exists in a place like Norway?

No, I think it won't exist there long. Why is it that you always point to young socialist economies instead of the old ones? Oh yeah - There are no old ones. Venezuela lies before you. For the hundreth time.

[roamer_1]

I think both ideologies can work in the world today within reason, but I think conservatism is running out of time in large part because of the opportunities being created by technology.

Conservatism may be out of favor for the moment, but it must necessarily return or this country will fail, just as every other country fails when it seeks to avoid the principle things of Conservatism.

Principle things are always true, no matter where you are.

[roamer_1]

If Norway isn't socialist then neither are Bernie Sanders and 99% of the people that would vote for him. Stop arguing in bad faith. There isn't a single thing that Bernie and his people want that the Scandinavian countries aren't already doing.

The thing you fail to see is that 3rd way socialism is just a whistle-stop on the road to true socialism, which is a whistle-stop on the road to communism, which is deprivation and tyranny. It is inevitable.

[roamer_1]

I think they had a good idea over there in Europe. I think we can take it and do it better because we're bleep awesome.

Ah yes... progressives always pining for Europe, Does nothing ever change?
Meanwhile, the Western model of capitalism (read USA) has lifted more people out of poverty all the way around the world than ever before in the history of man.

You have no idea what you are about to throw away.