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Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« on: February 14, 2019, 02:31:21 pm »
Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
By Morgan Chalfant - 02/14/19 06:00 AM EST

A change to House rules is putting sharper teeth into Democratic investigations of President Trump and his administration.

The change allows staff of House committees to conduct depositions without any lawmakers present, freeing up the panels to move through witnesses in their investigations quickly without the constraints of the previous Congress.

The change will offer Democrats on powerful House committees including Intelligence, Oversight and Reform, and Judiciary substantial momentum as they open wide-ranging probes into Trump, producing new headaches for the White House as the president readies his reelection bid.

“It’s more teeth, faster legs, longer breath, greater strength and just bigger,” said Steven Cash, a former staffer and counsel to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

“The other thing it signals is this isn’t the political theater of the Benghazi hearings. They’re not really interested in what comes out on television. They want sworn testimony. That indicates to me they’re looking for facts and not show,” added Cash, who is now a lawyer at Day Pitney specializing in criminal and national security law.

A fight has been percolating between House Democrats and the president since the November midterm elections, when Democrats captured the majority in the lower chamber and took control of all of the oversight and investigative powers that come with it.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2019, 02:40:23 pm »
They're not interested in actually finding any crime...they just want to...mud sling through 2020 in hopes of making Trump look bad enough they have a shot at winning.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2019, 02:41:39 pm »
Someone on another thread was worried that if we changed the rules at all, the dems would exploit that when they get into power.  Here's a good example of what actually happens - the dems change the rules to suit their goals, regardless of what the republicans have done or not done in the past.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2019, 02:47:28 pm »
Someone on another thread was worried that if we changed the rules at all, the dems would exploit that when they get into power.  Here's a good example of what actually happens - the dems change the rules to suit their goals, regardless of what the republicans have done or not done in the past.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2019, 02:51:52 pm »
Someone on another thread was worried that if we changed the rules at all, the dems would exploit that when they get into power.  Here's a good example of what actually happens - the dems change the rules to suit their goals, regardless of what the republicans have done or not done in the past.

I tend to agree.   There's no leading by example, or respect for tradition, that animates the Dems. They will bend, break, change and subvert rules to suit their purpose.  Hell, their bedrock premise is that they refuse to accept the results of a free and fair election.

If Trump needs to declare a national emergency to build the wall,  then he should do it without fear of setting a precedent.   The Dems won't be deterred from using this weapon simply because Republicans have exercised restraint.  It's like us and the Russians.    We adhere to treaties that the Russians have been violating for decades.   
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2019, 02:59:51 pm »
I tend to agree.   There's no leading by example, or respect for tradition, that animates the Dems. They will bend, break, change and subvert rules to suit their purpose.  Hell, their bedrock premise is that they refuse to accept the results of a free and fair election.

If Trump needs to declare a national emergency to build the wall,  then he should do it without fear of setting a precedent.   The Dems won't be deterred from using this weapon simply because Republicans have exercised restraint.  It's like us and the Russians.    We adhere to treaties that the Russians have been violating for decades.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2019, 03:57:48 pm »
I would encourage everyone to read this:

The Storm Before the Storm: The Beginning of the End of the Roman Republic


The things that are happening now, the disregard for legislative custom and tradition...willingness to set aside the rule of law when convenient...the precedent for the use of mob violence and protest to intimidate lawmakers...the introduction of amoral legislators who's only real goal is their own accumulation of power...are anything but new.

The American Left is little more than the latest version of the popularis faction that destroyed the Roman Republic through demagoguery, disdain for the rule, disregard and condemnation of constitutional traditions, and a selective moral narcissism.

The lesson for the "old school" constitutionalist "optimates" of our time is to not ignore the genuine concerns of the people...if they/we do...the popularis will use that kernel of genuine need and turn it into a tool of revolution and destruction. So, in the midst of this revolutionary climate, we constitutionalists must be fervent and devotional in our efforts to address the "real" concerns of the people...we cannot allow ourselves to be "demagogued" into the role of uncaring hard liners, unwilling and unable to address the needs of the populace. So we must, as conservatives, be ACTIVE in improving the lives of individual Americans...our constitutionality must co-exist with visible and public works to improve the lives of the middle class.

We've already had "optimate" congressman (Scalise) shot up on a softball field by a product of the Left's demagoguery...leaders accosted and assaulted while on private business with their families in restaurants and other public venues...do not make the mistake of thinking that was anything other than the beginning of their use of violence to attain their means.

The rule of law, and of the constitution, is disintegrating...and this is not incidental. Its a deliberate and concerted effort of the extreme left...and in this description I refer to the AOC wing of the party (the more moderate Dems simply being useful idiots and weak kneed accomplices).

I am not, and never have been, a "sky is falling" conservative...I despise political "conspiracy" theories as a genre of interpretation for political events. But...only a fool would pretend that there is anything less than a concerted effort going on, from the Left, to bring down the Republic as we have known it and to replace it with a facade that will surely appear similar on the surface...but which in action is little more than a cover for the Far Left's permanent assumption of power.

I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say there is a hint of gunpowder in the air after every speech made by the Dem "Socialists"...they want revolution, not reform, though they are clever enough at this point to dress it up as "social justice".
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2019, 06:05:46 pm »
Someone on another thread was worried that if we changed the rules at all, the dems would exploit that when they get into power.  Here's a good example of what actually happens - the dems change the rules to suit their goals, regardless of what the republicans have done or not done in the past.

Totally agree @Sanguine .  I'm sick of the fearful chant, 'but what if democrats get in power.'  If democrats get in power, they will do evil things regardless of what Republicans do, as you said.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2019, 06:37:45 pm »
@Mesaclone   Wonderful essay.  Sometimes we're inclined to dismiss the weird stuff the leftists do as too ridiculous to take seriously.

But way too many people take this seriously.  We have to read about a guy who claims eating meat will destroy humanity, to a wild chick who wants to change the entire infrastructure in fear of green something.

In the meantime, some of us so-called conservatives are saving all our passion for criticizing either Trump or the people they refer to as do-nothing Republicans.  No sense of proportion at all.

Frankly, I'm scared.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2019, 06:52:53 pm »
@Mesaclone   Wonderful essay.  Sometimes we're inclined to dismiss the weird stuff the leftists do as too ridiculous to take seriously.

But way too many people take this seriously.  We have to read about a guy who claims eating meat will destroy humanity, to a wild chick who wants to change the entire infrastructure in fear of green something.

In the meantime, some of us so-called conservatives are saving all our passion for criticizing either Trump or the people they refer to as do-nothing Republicans.  No sense of proportion at all.

Frankly, I'm scared.

You are right...what these NT folks do is akin to squabbling over the arrangement of the furniture whilst barbarians burn down the house we all live in. Its insane...and if it continues...we will all burn in the fires of Socialism. I think you're right to be scared...we should all be fearful.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2019, 07:14:57 pm »
You are right...what these NT folks do is akin to squabbling over the arrangement of the furniture whilst barbarians burn down the house we all live in. Its insane...and if it continues...we will all burn in the fires of Socialism. I think you're right to be scared...we should all be fearful.

You should more about what the Democrat Party is trying to do to the President and the country and less about some mythical group within the GOP that you've labeled as "NT" because they don't agree with Trump 110% of the time.

This circular firing squad mentality that has gripped the Uber Trump faithful is what will allow the Dems to make gains if not outright take over the WH in two years.
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2019, 07:27:20 pm »
You should more about what the Democrat Party is trying to do to the President and the country and less about some mythical group within the GOP that you've labeled as "NT" because they don't agree with Trump 110% of the time.

This circular firing squad mentality that has gripped the Uber Trump faithful is what will allow the Dems to make gains if not outright take over the WH in two years.

@txradioguy   You should make a slight attempt to understand what @Mesaclone is trying to tell you.  He is much smarter than either of us.  He did not even mention the NTers ... I brought that up but it is applicable.

People who deal in facts and don't cling to 2016 mentality know that Trump has done a good job on so many fronts and that he is, in fact, more popular now than when he was elected.

I merely pointed out that you and your fellow haters would rather spend your time bashing a good President because he's not your type, than calling attention to the horror that is the democrat party and the ignorant leftist side of society.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2019, 07:50:44 pm »


Did you just call one of our board members a "brownshirt"? Really?

Have you NO decency, sir?

And let me add, if there's a circular firing squad its not been formed by supporters of the President. We are the ones actually calling FOR Republican/Conservative unity in the face of what is little less than a slow motion Socialist coup de etat.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2019, 07:53:31 pm »

Everything in that post is a lie @txradioguy .  There are no 'brown-shirted loyalists" on this forum in the sense that you mean it, which is an insult that is almost evil in its implication.  I am ashamed of you for saying that.

Jihad against journalists?  Jihad?  C'mon.  I wish journalists could be held accountable for outright lies but most Trump supporters believe in Freedom of the Press.

Retribution against anyone who didn't vote for Trump?  I didn't vote for Trump.  Am I supposed to strangle myself in my sleep.

Look, your hate has turned a formerly rational guy into something of a nut case.

I hope you will get well someday.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2019, 07:59:27 pm »
Did you just call one of our board members a "brownshirt"? Really?

Have you NO decency, sir?

The very same member that has said much worse about people who merely voted for Cruz in the 2016 election?

Yes I did.  Don't lecture me on decency when you have done nothing to either minimize some of the violent rhetoric DCP and other militant Trump supporters have said on this forum over the last 3 years.  Get back to me when you try to calm those people down in public.

The very same person I might add...that in that craptastic meme he posted insinuated that myself and others here HATE America.

You wanna talk about decency?

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And let me add, if there's a circular firing squad its not been formed by supporters of the President. We are the ones actually calling FOR Republican/Conservative unity in the face of what is little less than a slow motion Socialist coup de etat.

Then prove it by doing your part to stop the the NT bullsh*t against people who support the President on some things but might have a disagreement on how he handles other agenda items.

The rabid anti Trump people...with one glaring exception are gone from here.  What's left (again with one glaring exception) are not anywhere close to being considered NT nor should the be labeled as such.

Maybe then your alleged call for "unity" will seem a little more sincere.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2019, 08:05:14 pm »
Thread locked for an hour or two...
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2019, 09:04:44 pm »
Opening the thread again...

In the future, please don't quote remarks that offend...that just quadrupled the labor and made me lock it until @mystery-ak and I cleaned up the mess.

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ETA:  The obligatory "Stop making it personal":  There are still some personal attacks above this post and I would appreciate it if you all could review what's posted and edit your own remarks?  It beats me having to go through and delete everything.  Just about everybody is in on it. 
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2019, 09:29:49 pm »
Opening the thread again...

In the future, please don't quote remarks that offend...that just quadrupled the labor and made me lock it until @mystery-ak and I cleaned up the mess.

TIA

ETA:  The obligatory "Stop making it personal":  There are still some personal attacks above this post and I would appreciate it if you all could review what's posted and edit your own remarks?  It beats me having to go through and delete everything.  Just about everybody is in on it.

We cannot have a decent thread if a certain poster is allow to call Trump supporters certain names.

We had a really good post about important matters by Mesaclone and then hate set in.

If that poster posts again, I won't.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2019, 09:35:39 pm »
@Emjay please take it to PMs.  This thread is for the discussion of Congressional rule changes.



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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2019, 10:10:15 pm »
Someone on another thread was worried that if we changed the rules at all, the dems would exploit that when they get into power.  Here's a good example of what actually happens - the dems change the rules to suit their goals, regardless of what the republicans have done or not done in the past.

Exactly.   That's how they got ObamaCare rammed through.   They change the rules ANYway.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2019, 08:09:43 am »
They're not interested in actually finding any crime...

I think they are interested in finding crime and I have no doubt the think crimes were committed, but as we all know the GOP is infallible.  Not like other humans, and even if people like Flynn, Cohen, Manifort, ect. did commit crimes, the rats are worse.

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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2019, 05:02:12 pm »
I think they are interested in finding crime and I have no doubt the think crimes were committed, but as we all know the GOP is infallible.  Not like other humans, and even if people like Flynn, Cohen, Manifort, ect. did commit crimes, the rats are worse.

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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2019, 06:00:21 pm »
I think they are interested in finding crime and I have no doubt the think crimes were committed, but as we all know the GOP is infallible.  Not like other humans, and even if people like Flynn, Cohen, Manifort, ect. did commit crimes, the rats are worse.

Wow. Not sure I've ever read anything so unintentionally ridiculous. Each point could be refuted by a smarter than average 8 year old...but why bother...the whole thing just speaks for itself, declaring loudly who and what the author really is.
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Re: Rule change sharpens Dem investigations into Trump
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2019, 06:14:51 pm »

I have some melatonin and an old lamp cord, if it’ll help.

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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2019, 06:23:17 pm »

I have some melatonin and an old lamp cord, if it’ll help.

Dude, you're an a-hole. You should go away and never come back...that was way beyond the pale.
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