Pelosi, Schumer declare victory, hope Trump 'learned his lesson'

[austingirl]

Isn't that where they just apprehended the Middle Easterner on the terror watch list, New Mexico?

Well I could not find it but the fact is that terrorists are crossing the border.  This is a chilling report from Center For Security Policy.


https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2019/01/07/the-terror-threat-on-the-southern-border/

I think this was the story but they were caught in Arizona not NM.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/21/terrorism-suspect-caught-us-mexico-border-roils-im/

Then there's all those terrorists that didn't get caught.

[Chosen Daughter]

Then there's all those terrorists that didn't get caught.

Exactly.  Those are the ones that did.  We always talk about how many illegals have been apprehended.  It would be yugely inaccurate to gauge how many come in by how many are apprehended.  Its a free for all.  The ones caught are by luck.

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly.  Those are the ones that did.  We always talk about how many illegals have been apprehended.  It would be yugely inaccurate to gauge how many come in by how many are apprehended.  Its a free for all.  The ones caught are by luck.

That's why it's damned near impossible to figure out how many are here already illegally.  Thank goodness they get counted in the Census (spit!)

[Chosen Daughter]

That's why it's damned near impossible to figure out how many are here already illegally.  Thank goodness they get counted in the Census (spit!)

Yes.  We have a judicial system which enforces law breaking.  Bad is good, good is bad.

[Cyber Liberty]

Yes.  We have a judicial system which enforces law breaking.  Bad is good, good is bad.

That has the makings of another God-given smouldering hole in the ground.

[Absalom]

Not uptight at all, just bemused at the dissimulation. There is a function on the very page you post on which allows you to increase the size of the font. Other posters routinely take advantage of this, either for emphasis, or to assuage their optical difficulties, or perhaps just to overcome the curse of a high definition display (everything is smaller). Try that instead of the internet equivalent of shouting. 

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An observation.
When someone has something to say; shouting is unnecessary.
As Cicero mentioned, raising one's voice in the Roman Senate got you shown the door!!!

[Smokin Joe]

Cyber Liberty

Areas like that could be easily monitored for human traffic by both buried sensors and drones,with BP stations close enough for quick response by truck or even helicopter.

We either control our borders or we don't have a sovereign nation. There is no in-between.

Yep. Partial (incomplete) barriers could be used to channel what influx there is into areas where they are easier to round up, or into dead ends like box canyons where they can be picked up and sent home.

[Smokin Joe]

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An observation.
When someone has something to say; shouting is unnecessary.
As Cicero mentioned, raising one's voice in the Roman Senate got you shown the door!!!

Yep. BTW, that wasn't shouting, the large font was because the poster to whom I was responding said they had visual issues. (Funny that hadn't been mentioned before to my recollection, only in the attempt to justify using all caps.) 

[sneakypete]

Yep. Partial (incomplete) barriers could be used to channel what influx there is into areas where they are easier to round up, or into dead ends like box canyons where they can be picked up and sent home.

@Smokin Joe

Being picked up and sent back home right away is no longer good enough. We MUST stop them from coming,and one thing that would help would be to make every illegal over 13 or 14 work at least 30 days out in the sun doing border construction of some type. Pick and shovel work.  If nothing else,give them rakes and make them rake the desert sands near the border every day so the BP flying over will be able to immediately spot footprints. No money. 3 boxed meals a day,and dropped off at the border and forced across at bayonet point if necessary.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

Being picked up and sent back home right away is no longer good enough. We MUST stop them from coming,and one thing that would help would be to make every illegal over 13 or 14 work at least 30 days out in the sun doing border construction of some type. Pick and shovel work.  No money. 3 boxed meals a day,and dropped off at the border and forced across at bayonet point if necessary.

While I agree in spirit, we would quickly run into the problem of running an ethnically based labor camp. While I grant you that these people would be found guilty of trying to jump our border first, and sentences at hard labor (especially for only 30 days) have been upheld in the past, that just isn't how the world's media would spin that, especially with the help of the MSM right here at home. Aside from enough court action to build entire careers on, there would be condemnation by all the Marxist nations of the UN, etc., used to gin up anti-American sentiment worldwide.
Better to build our own and drop them off where they'd have a long walk back to the wall.

[Absalom]

Yep. BTW, that wasn't shouting, the large font was because the poster to whom I was responding said they had visual issues. (Funny that hadn't been mentioned before to my recollection, only in the attempt to justify using all caps.)

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Understood.

[DB]

Yep. Partial (incomplete) barriers could be used to channel what influx there is into areas where they are easier to round up, or into dead ends like box canyons where they can be picked up and sent home.

The barrier only needs to impede long enough to intercept. There needs to be 100% electronic surveillance of the border. Drones, ground stations, satellite, whatever. After interception their fingerprints need to be recorded. Repeat offenders get rapidly worse consequences. Known criminals get automatic jail time and sent back when done. Make the consequences stiff and the intercept rate high. Then people will think twice about doing what they've been doing for decades.

And stop the incentives of free stuff. Stop letting employers steal from the community by bring in illegal laborers who's collateral expenses are borne by the community. Make it not pay to do so. A moral hazard that needs to be eliminated.

[Chosen Daughter]

You are correct, Chief.  Trump figured out that he could use all of the showmanship, the over the top rhetoric, the clear exaggerations, the BS, etc., to win the nomination and eventually the election.  But, I don't think that he realized that once elected, none of that crap would keep working. 

Governing is not show business (or private sector wheeling and dealing).  The show biz act is no longer effective.

However, as I have pointed out several times in various threads here (which is routinely ignored by those that prefer to just keep repeating the same mantra over and over), he was not ever going to get anything passed through the "GOP" House controlled by Ryan and the "GOP" Senate controlled by McConnell, IF they (and their donors-supporters) were not in favor of it.

Somehow he gained agreement for these 3 main items in the past Congress:
1.  Beefed up military funding.
2.  Senate confirmation of judges and justices.
3.  Modification of the income tax code.

That was it.  The was never a snowball's chance in hell that Ryan and McConnell were ever going to pass legislation to properly fund a border wall and put it on Trump's desk.  Never.  That's reality.

What is also "reality" is that the showmanship, carnival barker act is never going to work to accomplish major policy initiatives.  Trump better find and start listening to some advisors that can spell that out clearly for him.

I never believed the rhetoric.  And unfortunately I think that the rhetoric has increased the flow of illegal immigrants.  When they learned that it was a show and not reality they started coming in caravans.

[bigheadfred]

I never believed the rhetoric.  And unfortunately I think that the rhetoric has increased the flow of illegal immigrants.  When they learned that it was a show and not reality they started coming in caravans.

And making demands.

[sneakypete]

While I agree in spirit, we would quickly run into the problem of running an ethnically based labor camp. 

@Smokin Joe

GOOD! The entire civilized world needs to understand we are all being invaded by foreigners. People that not just look different,but who think differently.

We either protect the civilizations our forefathers created,or we lose it and anarchy will reign until police states are created to replace the open and free societies we  have now.

We are being invaded,and our cultures are being attacked.

[Smokin Joe]

@Smokin Joe

GOOD! The entire civilized world needs to understand we are all being invaded by foreigners. People that not just look different,but who think differently.

We either protect the civilizations our forefathers created,or we lose it and anarchy will reign until police states are created to replace the open and free societies we  have now.

We are being invaded,and our cultures are being attacked.

No argument about the invasion. Americans ordinarily have had cultural infatuations with other cultures, it's something we are prone to. But then, traditionally, those cultures have assimilated and become part of the more broad American culturescape (yeah, I think i just invented a word). We're being overrun, though, and not with the best aspects of those cultures which are invading us. Between the Cartels, the Salvadoran Gangs, Islamists and Islamics, and other enclaves, it is hard to argue that any good is happening as a result.

[Axeslinger]

@Smokin Joe

GOOD! The entire civilized world needs to understand we are all being invaded by foreigners. People that not just look different,but who think differently.

We either protect the civilizations our forefathers created,or we lose it and anarchy will reign until police states are created to replace the open and free societies we  have now.

We are being invaded,and our cultures are being attacked.

@sneakypete

I think we can carve it in stone that the bolded part above is where we’re headed...just a question of the time frame.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I think we can carve it in stone that the bolded part above is where we’re headed...just a question of the time frame.

@Axeslinger

Yes,but it's not politically correct to mention it. Any talking head on tv that would say it would immediately be fired. Any politician that said it in public would immediately be attacked by his own party,be removed from any powerful committee seats,and find  himself facing a challenger backed by his own party come the next election.

Any private citizen that would say it in public runs the risk of being physically assaulted if they seem to be someone old or weak enough to be unable to defend themselves.

We are already only one tiny step removed from being dominated and removed from any real power ourselves.

[EdJames]

I never believed the rhetoric.  And unfortunately I think that the rhetoric has increased the flow of illegal immigrants.  When they learned that it was a show and not reality they started coming in caravans.

I will say that you were/are wise to not be taken in by the rhetoric.  However, don't kid yourself, the caravans are in no way an organic response to Trump's rhetoric or anything else.  The caravans are weapons of subversion being funded by forces whose intention is to destabilize and ultimately destroy the first world society of the United States.

[Victoria33]

Nancie and Chuckie can gloat all they want. In Three weeks or less, Trump will have the last laugh when he gets his wall, fence, barrier or whatever the hell anyone wants to call it. Trump still holds the cards, another shutdown or his executive authority.

@RetBobbyMI

That was and is, what I thought when he re-opened government. I didn't see it as Pelosi won the world title of anything.  I saw it as giving people their money for work done.  Now, there is this commission of Dems and Reps to work on a solution to the wall problem and the DACA problem.  If that gets done, Trump isn't in trouble in 2020 about this particular happening.

[Cyber Liberty]

@RetBobbyMI

That was and is, what I thought when he re-opened government. I didn't see it as Pelosi won the world title of anything.  I saw it as giving people their money for work done.  Now, there is this commission of Dems and Reps to work on a solution to the wall problem and the DACA problem.  If that gets done, Trump isn't in trouble in 2020 about this particular happening.

Aren't "Commissions" usually employed by Congress as an excuse to do nothing?  I know some accomplish things like Base Closures, but it seems to me like they are usually a means of evading action and responsibility.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The barrier only needs to impede long enough to intercept. There needs to be 100% electronic surveillance of the border. Drones, ground stations, satellite, whatever. After interception their fingerprints need to be recorded. Repeat offenders get rapidly worse consequences. Known criminals get automatic jail time and sent back when done. Make the consequences stiff and the intercept rate high. Then people will think twice about doing what they've been doing for decades.

Agree ... I would only add guard towers and sensors to your list.

And stop the incentives of free stuff. Stop letting employers steal from the community by bring in illegal laborers who's collateral expenses are borne by the community. Make it not pay to do so. A moral hazard that needs to be eliminated.

Agree 100% .... but this cannot be done by EO, it will take an act of Congress.

[bigheadfred]

I will say that you were/are wise to not be taken in by the rhetoric.  However, don't kid yourself, the caravans are in no way an organic response to Trump's rhetoric or anything else.  The caravans are weapons of subversion being funded by forces whose intention is to destabilize and ultimately destroy the first world society of the United States.

One of the things I am really looking forward to is the day people can actually have their Smartphone surgically attached. With the implementation of 5G, everyone can become better, stronger, faster...and here I will be-SOL-Stupid Old Luddite.

[bigheadfred]

Aren't "Commissions" usually employed by Congress as an excuse to do nothing?  I know some accomplish things like Base Closures, but it seems to me like they are usually a means of evading action and responsibility.

Reminds me of the definition of a camel.

Camel: A horse designed by a committee.

[DB]

Aren't "Commissions" usually employed by Congress as an excuse to do nothing?  I know some accomplish things like Base Closures, but it seems to me like they are usually a means of evading action and responsibility.

"Commissions" happen when congress wants no responsibility for the conclusions that it might come to. It is pass the buck somewhere else, anywhere else.