7 in 10 say US health care system has 'major problems' or is in a 'state of crisis'

[Dexter]

Some of those backwards Scandinavian countries have 94%+ public approval when it comes to healthcare. How is that possible when right wing media constantly tells me about all of the horrors of universal healthcare? I guess somehow the people of Europe just don't know how bad they have it compared to the states, where 7 in 10 people think the healthcare system is a wreck. Yeah, that adds up. 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/425162-7-in-10-say-us-health-care-system-has-major-problems-or-is-in-a-state-of

A large majority of Americans believe the U.S. health care system is in a state of crisis or has major problems, according to a poll released Monday.

A Gallup poll showed that 70 percent of respondents believe the health care system has significant issues, compared to 30 percent who said it has no problems or minor problems. The numbers are similar to the same poll from a year ago when 71 percent of Americans said the system was in a state of crisis.

[montanajoe]

I think most Americans think the health care system is fine until they or someone the know gets sick....

It's not the care they receive but the cost, there are a lot of young families who are paying a couple of thousand bucks a month in premiums but if one of them gets sick, they are looking at a $10,000 deductible before that policy pays a dime..can see why they might think that is a major problem....

I've had my coverage through the VA since forever but if I did not, I know for a fact I could have never afforded the care I've received from the VA in the private insurance system.....

[Drago]

The healthcare system is fine...the payment/insurance system for healthcare is really messed up. Get the government out of the payment system and hit the reset button...prices drop by 40%-60% and "normal insurance" becomes affordable again.

[EdJames]

The healthcare system is fine...the payment/insurance system for healthcare is really messed up. Get the government out of the payment system and hit the reset button...prices drop by 40%-60% and "normal insurance" becomes affordable again.

Exactly.  It was this same type of push polling and messaging about a "crisis" in healthcare that was run in 2006-8 to prime the well for the ACA.  Now they are dragging it out to pave the way for some of type of government single-payer scheme.  ACA was step one, now comes the next step.

[GtHawk]

I know that in California the healthcare system would work better if it wasn't for all the illegals clogging the system. That said I just had an emergency situation with my 87 year old mother, took her to the kaiser facility in Irvine, CA and they admitted into the ER immediately and ran a whole slew of test ASAP to try and determine what was going on. I had no problems with how the system worked. Some people also have unrealistic expectations when they first have a situation where they need their healthcare.

[DCPatriot]

,,,a subtitle headline in the POS:

About Six in Seven Democrats Rate the Healthcare System Negatively

Tell me again how great The Hill.com is, Myst.

[Dexter]

How cost prohibitive healthcare is or isn't is an important part of the equation when determining how good healthcare is in my opinion. The average person in Europe gets similar quality healthcare without having to worry about going bankrupt. Healthcare is only better in the states if you're wealthy and can afford the best doctors and procedures.

[Dexter]

,,,a subtitle headline in the POS:

Tell me again how great The Hill.com is, Myst.

"Among Republicans, 56 percent say the health care system has major problems, down from 71 percent a year ago."

Disapproval is high even if you take Democrats out of the equation.

I think the fact that the writer of the article bothered to tell you Democrats are a lot more likely to disapprove is a sign of integrity.

[DCPatriot]

"Among Republicans, 56 percent say the health care system has major problems, down from 71 percent a year ago."

Disapproval is high even if you take Democrats out of the equation.

In my opinion the fact that the writer of the article bothered to tell you Democrats are a lot more likely to disapprove is a sign of integrity.

Oh please?

The title indicates that 70% surveyed are complaining (major problems or state of crisis)

First question:  Who did they ask?   I clicked.

The questions were taken from all Democrats.  The pictures in the article tell me what 'kind' of Democrats.

Ergo:  The Title is bullshit and very misleading.   

IMO, you could've picked a better thread to have a debate on the merits of better health coverage for everybody.

PS:  @Bigun    You've got me blocked so I'm unable to reply to your PM   

[Dexter]

Oh please?

The title indicates that 70% surveyed are complaining (major problems or state of crisis)

First question:  Who did they ask?   I clicked.

The questions were taken from all Democrats.  The pictures in the article tell me what 'kind' of Democrats.

Ergo:  The Title is bullshit and very misleading.   

IMO, you could've picked a better thread to have a debate on the merits of better health coverage for everybody.

PS:  @Bigun    You've got me blocked so I'm unable to reply to your PM   

A year ago 71% of Republicans were saying healthcare is a mess. It goes up and down, but consistently disapproval of our healthcare system is very high. How much can be included in the title anyway? What was said is true, and then only a few lines in the author went out of their way to point out the differences when it comes to Democrats and Republicans. The takeaway is lots and lots of Americans are unhappy with our healthcare system.

[Dexter]

Also you're not going to stop universal healthcare in the U.S. It will happen.

[roamer_1]

Also you're not going to stop universal healthcare in the U.S. It will happen.

That was just tried - It TRIPLED the cost at best, and left everyone with a giant deductible, making it good only as catastrophic care.

And because the deductible is cumulative, even a 10k deductible is not the truth, because if you have a wife and two kids, you have to reach the end of ALL the cumulative deductibles before you get a friggin bandaid.

That is the cost of your socialist dream.

If you want good healthcare cheap, go the other way. Ban insurance and make the whole thing cash on the barrelhead and watch the prices plummet.

[Dexter]

That was just tried

You think Obamacare = universal healthcare?

[roamer_1]

You think Obamacare = universal healthcare?

No, Universal health care will cost even more, and provide even less.
But it is a close example.

[Hoodat]

Aw jeez, not this liberal bullshit again.

[roamer_1]

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/consumer/swedes-face-problems-with-health-care-system

[Dexter]

But it is a close example.

It's really not.

Most everyday people would be taxed far less than the amount they currently have to spend on healthcare. It'd be extremely beneficial for most people. I really won't feel bad for people worth hundreds of millions of dollars when they have to pay more taxes so we can guarantee education to our young people and healthcare to all citizens that need it. The most successful people in the country wouldn't be what they are without our country. They have benefited greatly from the system we all contribute to. They should be honored to pay more taxes to strengthen our nation against the future. Investments in health and education are what will keep us ahead of the rest of the world.

[Hoodat]

7 in 10 say US health care system has 'major problems' or is in a 'state of crisis'

The reason my health care is in a state of crisis is because government got involved.  Before government got involved, I had a doctor, affordable insurance with a low deductible and generous copay policy.  Everyone was happy.  But then one day, government got involved.  This resulted in me losing both my doctor and my insurance.  The insurance I have now costs twice as much, has deductibles so high that I am always paying out of pocket, and offers me new doctors I don't know and whom are not taking new patients.

And then there are pharmaceuticals.  Before the government got involved, pharmaceuticals were affordable.  There were always generic options to use, and the insurance companies had copays as low as $0.  But then the government decided to get involved with mass purchases of drugs so that we could buy at wholesale prices.  But instead, it drove up demand which then drove up prices making them increasingly expensive, even generics.  And insurance companies retracted their copay policies, leaving pharmacy purchases going towards my deductible.

So the reason we have a crisis to begin with is 100% because of government.  Yet to fix it all, you propose more government?  Only a complete idiot would see it your way.

[LMAO]

Also you're not going to stop universal healthcare in the U.S. It will happen.

How much more debt will those who are invested in US debt tolerate? Normally, it’s when public debt gets over 80% of GDP. Then creditors start demanding things like higher interest on their investment. That’s what set off the Southern European debt crisis.

When people say we need Universal healthcare, I remind them we already have it and it’s called Medicare. And Medicare is facing insolvency and trillions in unfunded liabilities

[roamer_1]

It's really not.

Most everyday people would be taxed far less than the amount they currently have to spend on healthcare. It'd be extremely beneficial for most people.

Yeah... that's the same promises made with Obamacare... How'd that turn out?

I really won't feel bad for people worth hundreds of millions of dollars when they have to pay more taxes so we can guarantee education to our young people and healthcare to all citizens that need it.

That's the same attitude as with Obamacare... How'd that turn out?

The most successful people in the country wouldn't be what they are without our country. They have benefited greatly from the system we all contribute to. They should be honored to pay more taxes to strengthen our nation against the future. Investments in health and education are what will keep us ahead of the rest of the world.

Spoken in typical gimmedat fashion.
That ain't what will happen. The rich are already massively taxed, and will not have enough to pay for it. It won;t be the rich. It'll be you, Just like with obamacare.

[Dexter]

Before government got involved, I had a doctor, affordable insurance with a low deductible and generous copay policy.

With universal healthcare you would have a doctor and no insurance. We're not going to stop being the best in the world at the shit that we do just because we guarantee healthcare to all citizens.

[roamer_1]

With universal healthcare you would have a doctor and no insurance. We're not going to stop being the best in the world at the shit that we do just because we guarantee healthcare to all citizens.

Oh yes we will.

[Dexter]

That ain't what will happen. The rich are already massively taxed, and will not have enough to pay for it. It won;t be the rich. It'll be you, Just like with obamacare.

Do you know what will happen when we tax the richest Americans more? They will still be the richest Americans. Somebody get me a tissue; my heart is breaking for these people.

[roamer_1]

Do you know what will happen when we tax the richest Americans more? They will still be the richest Americans. Somebody get me a tissue; my heart is breaking for these people.

Yeah riiiight.

Just for giggles, what tax rate do you propose for the rich?

[LMAO]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/reason.com/blog/2014/01/22/socialist-swedes-take-to-private-health/amp