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Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« on: January 04, 2019, 02:49:37 pm »


BY: Cameron Cawthorne   Follow @@Cam_Cawthorne
January 3, 2019 10:54 pm

Rep. Steve Cohen (D., Tenn) on Thursday proposed a Constitutional amendment to eliminate the "outdated Electoral College," saying that he believes the individual who wins the popular vote deserves to win the election.

A press release from Cohen's office listed the two amendments that Cohen was introducing, including the elimination of the Electoral College and an amendment that would limit presidential pardon power.

"In two presidential elections since 2000, including the most recent one in which Hillary Clinton won 2.8 million more votes than her opponent, the winner of the popular vote did not win the election because of the distorting effect of the outdated Electoral College," said Cohen's press release. "Americans expect and deserve the winner of the popular vote to win office. More than a century ago, we amended our Constitution to provide for the direct election of U.S. Senators. It is past time to directly elect our President and Vice President."

"Presidents should not pardon themselves, their families, their administration or campaign staff," Cohen continued. "This constitutional amendment would expressly prohibit this and any future president, from abusing the pardon power."

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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2019, 02:59:42 pm »
My BIL was all in favor of getting rid of the EC, at least until I took the time to explain the significance of the EC, and why the Founding Fathers developed it.

He's now reading the Federalist Papers...lol.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2019, 03:02:23 pm »
Says the guy who follows the scribblings of a shiftless bum writing in the 1830's.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2019, 03:04:13 pm »
Good. Impeachment, Electoral College, Medicare for all(including illegals), Free tuition for everyone(including illegals), Free this, and Free that, etc., I want the Democrats to get their whole fantasy 'wish list' up for a vote. It's been coming in the wings for decades. Now, we can finally just do it and get it over with. I can't imagine any of this Communist bullshit will pass, but even if it does it will take years to implement. It is one thing to pass something. It is a totally different animal to try to make it actually work in reality.

Why not simply declare Mexico to be a U.S. territory and give them free everything and voting rights while we're at it? We are already almost there now anyway.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2019, 03:13:16 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 04, 2019, 03:04:13 pm
Good. Impeachment, Electoral College, Medicare for all(including illegals), Free tuition for everyone(including illegals), Free this, and Free that, etc., I want the Democrats to get their whole fantasy 'wish list' up for a vote. It's been coming in the wings for decades. Now, we can finally just do it and get it over with. I can't imagine any of this Communist bullshit will pass, but even if it does it will take years to implement. It is one thing to pass something. It is a totally different animal to try to make it actually work in reality.

Why not simply declare Mexico to be a U.S. territory and give them free everything and voting rights while we're at it? We are already almost there now anyway.

I think we need to declare war on Mexico.  We have experienced an on going invasion for years and it's not getting any better.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2019, 03:50:59 pm »
Ever notice how this only comes up when there is a Republican in the White House?
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2019, 05:19:25 pm »
This is a bad idea.
Those elected would only campaign and cater to large population centers, leaving rural areas without proper representation.
Those large cities would demand more federal dollars than the y do now, and the candidates would feel compelled to comply to get elected, ever spiraling our debt even further out of control.
Would a candidate ever venture into Iowa or New Hampshire (and several other states), if not for the Electoral College?
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2019, 05:43:30 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on January 04, 2019, 05:19:25 pm
Would a candidate ever venture into Iowa or New Hampshire (and several other states), if not for the Electoral College?

No they wouldn't.  Nor would they set foot in Wyoming or the Dakotas.

The EC prevents what the Dems crave...mob rule.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2019, 05:44:40 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 04, 2019, 03:50:59 pm
Ever notice how this only comes up when there is a Republican in the White House?

Funny how that happens.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2019, 05:49:36 pm »
Sad sad if it comes down to cities ruling this nation.

It appears to be that a bit already.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2019, 05:52:59 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 04, 2019, 05:49:36 pm
Sad sad if it comes down to cities ruling this nation.

It appears to be that a bit already.

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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 07:03:21 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on January 04, 2019, 05:19:25 pm
Would a candidate ever venture into Iowa or New Hampshire (and several other states), if not for the Electoral College?

I've read that the popular vote comes down to about 5 cities, and a number of precincts within those.

Imagine a Prez candidate spending 2/3 their time in parts of just 5 metro areas.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2019, 07:20:52 pm »
Quote from: Free Vulcan on January 04, 2019, 07:03:21 pm
I've read that the popular vote comes down to about 5 cities, and a number of precincts within those.

Imagine a Prez candidate spending 2/3 their time in parts of just 5 metro areas.

Right, and along with that, all the (non-exsistent) money he/she would give out of the federal treasury, to help those 5 cities chronic problems, just so they could get elected by them.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2019, 07:27:07 pm »
Why don't they just introduce a Bill oulawing any but Democrat Party candidates from running and be done with the charade?
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2019, 07:49:16 pm »
Quote from: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 04, 2019, 07:27:07 pm
Why don't they just introduce a Bill oulawing any but Democrat Party candidates from running and be done with the charade?
Exactly.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2019, 08:58:22 pm »
Quote from: 240B on January 04, 2019, 03:04:13 pm
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Good. Impeachment, Electoral College, Medicare for all(including illegals), Free tuition for everyone(including illegals), Free this, and Free that, etc., I want the Democrats to get their whole fantasy 'wish list' up for a vote. It's been coming in the wings for decades. Now, we can finally just do it and get it over with. I can't imagine any of this Communist bullshit will pass, but even if it does it will take years to implement. It is one thing to pass something. It is a totally different animal to try to make it actually work in reality.

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Why not simply declare Mexico to be a U.S. territory and give them free everything and voting rights while we're at it? We are already almost there now anyway.

I think it is more of a case of declaring certain sections of the US as being a part of Mexico.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2019, 09:01:03 pm »
Quote from: To-Whose-Benefit? on January 04, 2019, 07:27:07 pm
Why don't they just introduce a Bill oulawing any but Democrat Party candidates from running and be done with the charade?

@To-Whose-Benefit?

That has been the Comrades plan from Day One,but it won't be done until they have total control.

And why not when it has worked so wonderfully everywhere it has ever been tried? Just ask anyone in Russia,China,Cuber,Venezuela,North Korea,etc,etc,etc.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2019, 09:16:58 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 04, 2019, 03:50:59 pm
Ever notice how this only comes up when there is a Republican in the White House?






Some ‘republicans’ agree.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2019, 09:20:09 pm »
He's right, whether he intended it or not. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy, which is what we aren't and what we never want to be.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2019, 09:21:52 pm »
Quote from: edpc on January 04, 2019, 09:16:58 pm







Some ‘republicans’ agree.

Nov '12   Yep,  In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2019, 09:34:42 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on January 04, 2019, 09:20:09 pm
He's right, whether he intended it or not. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy, which is what we aren't and what we never want to be.

That is something that drives me crazy of late....  years ago, you never heard many people refer to the United States as a "democracy."  Then I noticed that many democrats and the media started to use the term very often.  Now, it is rare that I ever hear any politician (of any party) or media member NOT use the term "democracy."

It is as if they are just wishing away the Constitutional Republic.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2019, 10:09:36 pm »
Quote from: mountaineer on January 04, 2019, 09:20:09 pm
He's right, whether he intended it or not. The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy, which is what we aren't and what we never want to be.

Exactly, but it works for a Representative republic.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2019, 12:02:37 am »
Quote from: edpc on January 04, 2019, 09:16:58 pm





Some ‘republicans’ agree.

In all fairness Donny was still donating to the Clinton Foundation and the Obama campaign when he tweeted that.  That was pre "conversion".
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2019, 12:21:53 am »
No candidate with a majority of the popular vote has been denied the Presidency since 1876, and none were before that, either.

Why is the majority part important? The Constitution explicitly states that a Presidential candidate must have a majority of votes cast in the Electoral College. So, thanks to the collection of third-party candidates (Gary Johnson's vote total alone was bigger than Hillary's margin over Trump), Hillary Clinton, if we were to use the same Constitutional principle applied to a hypothetical popular vote, would still not be President. It would've gone to a runoff between Hillary, Trump and Johnson in Congress, which, since both houses were held by the GOP at the time, would have (barring a Freedom Caucus revolt) elected Trump and Pence.

The Democrats would like to get rid of that, too, I am sure.
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Re: Dem Rep Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Eliminate ‘Outdated Electoral College’
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2019, 12:46:51 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on January 04, 2019, 02:49:37 pm

BY: Cameron Cawthorne   Follow @@Cam_Cawthorne
January 3, 2019 10:54 pm

Rep. Steve Cohen (D., Tenn) on Thursday proposed a Constitutional amendment to eliminate the "outdated Electoral College," saying that he believes the individual who wins the popular vote deserves to win the election.

A press release from Cohen's office listed the two amendments that Cohen was introducing, including the elimination of the Electoral College and an amendment that would limit presidential pardon power.

"In two presidential elections since 2000, including the most recent one in which Hillary Clinton won 2.8 million more votes than her opponent, the winner of the popular vote did not win the election because of the distorting effect of the outdated Electoral College," said Cohen's press release. "Americans expect and deserve the winner of the popular vote to win office. More than a century ago, we amended our Constitution to provide for the direct election of U.S. Senators. It is past time to directly elect our President and Vice President."

"Presidents should not pardon themselves, their families, their administration or campaign staff," Cohen continued. "This constitutional amendment would expressly prohibit this and any future president, from abusing the pardon power."

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If Rep. Cohen wants to go through the process of amending the Constitution to eliminate the Electoral College, more power to him.  I don't think it would ever fly.
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